Boubakary Soumare

[sacreblueits442]

40 minutes ago, FosseSpark said:

With regards 'settling in' and homesickness. The fella has three French teammates of similar age, an ethnically diverse dressing room, a million pounds in the bank and a plush pad and place of work to go to every day. If he can't feel comfortable plying his trade in that environment then he isn't made of the right stuff to be an elite sportsman. 

Mirandinha being dropped from the streets of Sau Paulo into early 90s Newcastle is hard adjustment territory, not this.

...with all those factors in place, being an introvert, you do not seek to associate with the people around you, you tend to look to keep to yourself!!!

His persona would be defensive and perceived as unapproachable, the absence of familiar things would be his problem being homesick, and his surroundings, irrespective of their quality will have little effect.

[Philkeavo]

This thread is getting more like a Jordan Peterson podcast 

[NasPb]

17 minutes ago, Philkeavo said:

This thread is getting more like a Jordan Peterson podcast 

Sad but true

[Finnegan]

10 minutes ago, Philkeavo said:

This thread is getting more like a Jordan Peterson podcast 

 

I don't currently see anyone using pseudoscience to justify white supremacy, pander to incels and push conspiracy theories tbf. 

[Chelmofox]

3 hours ago, FosseSpark said:

With regards 'settling in' and homesickness. The fella has three French teammates of similar age, an ethnically diverse dressing room, a million pounds in the bank and a plush pad and place of work to go to every day. If he can't feel comfortable plying his trade in that environment then he isn't made of the right stuff to be an elite sportsman. 

Mirandinha being dropped from the streets of Sau Paulo into early 90s Newcastle is hard adjustment territory, not this.

I presume you don't manage people or deal with anyone who has suffered from any stress, mental or otherwise. 

 

2 people i know very well, who had good secure and well paid jobs, struggled mentally during the covid period. The bit they missed most was seeing their family and being able to do normal things that would normally de-stress them.  One of these was somebody who i thought was mentally a complete rock, and it really surprised me. She ended having to see a therapist and was actually prescribed some medication for a while.  She's in a much better place now, but had to work hard at it, especially adjusting to life starting to get back to normal.  I lost my dad during covid too, and for several months i felt i wasn't able to grieve properly and it affected everything from my work to my family life.

 

Therefore, if someone who has left their country and family says they are having issues, i don't think i am a pus*y for giving them the benefit of the doubt.  From here on, only Soumare and the club know if his current situation is workable. If everyone involved feels a corner has been turned and the right support is in place, then i think he deserves that chance. However, if everyone feels its best to move on then i support that too.

 

Edited 22 July 2022 by Chelmofox

[murphy]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Really think at this point you need to stop digging and pick a better hill to die on. One you know a little bit more about. 

 

How many people have got to tell you you're being really narrow minded before the penny drops that maybe you're a little bit out of touch on mental health? 

 

"Homesickness" is quite obviously being used in the case of Soumaré as a catch term for whatever may or may not be troubling him. Its not a definitive condition with a specific set of symptoms you can wave off and tell him to grow up and cope with. It's a generalisation being used to give a reason for why he may or may not be struggling. 

 

What's actually happening none of us know, both the club and the player have dealt with it incredibly privately. He could have a Gradel/Knockaert situation where there's considerable family distress back home or he may be struggling in the same way Jesus Navas used to in having absolutely chronic anxiety when leaving his home town. Or maybe he's having a personal crisis in the same way Vardy did in his well documented reaction to stepping up to a new level and pleading with Pearson to let him go back to non league. 

 

You, nor I, have any idea what's going on with Soumaré but the fundamental difference between you and seemingly everyone else in this thread calling you out is that you don't seem to be able to get your head around the fact that mental health isn't a binary ticklist of disorders you either do or do not have, ranked by severity. 

 

Any form of stress / distress, whether it be trouble at home, trouble at work, moving to a new place, struggling for confidence, feeling out of your depth - any of these things can trigger depression, can trigger anxiety, can have a massive impact on your ability to perform just simple day to day functions. 

 

You may be right, more by luck than any kind of judgement, and maybe Soumaré actually does just lack the determination and the discipline to succeed outside his comfort zone. But there's no evidence of that because none of us are behind the scenes. The only thing there is irrefutable evidence for is that you massively lack empathy and almost seem to be striving to avoid having compassion. 

I've been thinking about this as I walked the dogs this morning and I must admit it is an uncomfortable truth to have a lack of empathy pointed out to you, but a truth nonetheless.  

 

One thing that I find frustrating on this forum is when you get a poster so entrenched in their position that they will continue to argue a hopeless point for fear of backing down.  Perhaps I am better at spotting it in others than in myself  so I will now row back and admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

Edited 22 July 2022 by murphy

[taupe]

11 minutes ago, murphy said:

Perhaps I am better at spotting it in others than in myself  so I will now row back and admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Well done you. And I mean that seriously.

 

We all can get a bit lost somethings, channel ourselves down a line of thinking and feel a reluctance to turn back. It's a decent human being that can spot this in themselves and is prepared to acknowledge it.  

[KingsX]

On 21/07/2022 at 06:13, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Last night I felt as if we got a glimpse of the old Bouba we know and love

 

     Bonjour from Lille! 

 

 

Pourquoi les gens disent que le football français est merde?!

[Guest Col city fan]

5 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Really think at this point you need to stop digging and pick a better hill to die on. One you know a little bit more about. 

 

How many people have got to tell you you're being really narrow minded before the penny drops that maybe you're a little bit out of touch on mental health? 

 

"Homesickness" is quite obviously being used in the case of Soumaré as a catch term for whatever may or may not be troubling him. Its not a definitive condition with a specific set of symptoms you can wave off and tell him to grow up and cope with. It's a generalisation being used to give a reason for why he may or may not be struggling. 

 

What's actually happening none of us know, both the club and the player have dealt with it incredibly privately. He could have a Gradel/Knockaert situation where there's considerable family distress back home or he may be struggling in the same way Jesus Navas used to in having absolutely chronic anxiety when leaving his home town. Or maybe he's having a personal crisis in the same way Vardy did in his well documented reaction to stepping up to a new level and pleading with Pearson to let him go back to non league. 

 

You, nor I, have any idea what's going on with Soumaré but the fundamental difference between you and seemingly everyone else in this thread calling you out is that you don't seem to be able to get your head around the fact that mental health isn't a binary ticklist of disorders you either do or do not have, ranked by severity. 

 

Any form of stress / distress, whether it be trouble at home, trouble at work, moving to a new place, struggling for confidence, feeling out of your depth - any of these things can trigger depression, can trigger anxiety, can have a massive impact on your ability to perform just simple day to day functions. 

 

You may be right, more by luck than any kind of judgement, and maybe Soumaré actually does just lack the determination and the discipline to succeed outside his comfort zone. But there's no evidence of that because none of us are behind the scenes. The only thing there is irrefutable evidence for is that you massively lack empathy and almost seem to be striving to avoid having compassion. 

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[Lambert09]

once again those squad lists suggest that he is currently in line to start against brentford. Brendan is really keeping the 11s the same so you can almost see into his head with this one.  

 

Play well in the next 2 pre-season games and the spots his to lose 

Edited 22 July 2022 by Lambert09

[Dahnsouff]

New bid €19m

[GingerrrFox]

Monaco are cheap willy pullers. 

[Foxes96]

5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

New bid €19m

I’d probably take that if true and move on

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Foxes96 said:

I’d probably take that if true and move on

It is certainly getting to or at that point you would think. 

[coolhandfox]

Not far of what we paid if around £16m

 

Think we paid 17m 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Not far of what we paid if around £16m

 

Think we paid 17m 

Never sure anymore tbh. TransferMrkt has him at £18m (up to £25m).  
 

Think I will go with your version!  

[Foxes96]

3 minutes ago, Foxes96 said:

I’d probably take that if true and move on

Although just spotted he is on the team bus, presumably to Preston so can’t be imminent. Also seems to have featured more in players social media recently so maybe has integrated into the squad better now. Who knows?!

 

 

I give up with this summers window

[CrispinLA in Texas]

All those articles on social media saying how brilliant he was against Hull seems to have made Monaco up their bid by afew million. 

Let's be greedy and say we want another 5m

Edited 22 July 2022 by CrispinLA in Texas

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Never sure anymore tbh. TransferMrkt has him at £18m (up to £25m).  
 

Think I will go with your version!  

Skysports article when we brought him said 17m  

[Finnegan]

5 hours ago, murphy said:

I've been thinking about this as I walked the dogs this morning and I must admit it is an uncomfortable truth to have a lack of empathy pointed out to you, but a truth nonetheless.  

 

One thing that I find frustrating on this forum is when you get a poster so entrenched in their position that they will continue to argue a hopeless point for fear of backing down.  Perhaps I am better at spotting it in others than in myself  so I will now row back and admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

 

This is one of my favourite foxestalk posts in a long time. Really admirable mate fair play. 

[FoxesWalk]

I’d imagine that’ll do it, is very close to what we paid 

[Pliskin]

Hopefully this, sparks the revolution. 

[TJQuik]

8 hours ago, murphy said:

I can agree with some of that.  Not all, as I have never said that homesickness is definitely the problem.  It could be a range of deeper issues which would be a different matter but if we rewind back to the beginning, I need to emphasise this was speculation on the very narrow premis that Soumare wasn't performing due to homesickness.. Not a wider gamut of mental health problems or resultant problems.  I agree that it was a foolish quagmire to wade through.

 

As for the empathy, compassion thing.  Well yes, you're right.  I also have a tendency to see in black and white.   Ironically, I'm going to blame it on the aspergers. 

 

 

 

 

It is ironic that you would try and angle for sympathy with a diagnosis after dismissing other people's wellbeing, yeah.

[woznotwos]

7 minutes ago, TJQuik said:

 

It is ironic that you would try and angle for sympathy with a diagnosis after dismissing other people's wellbeing, yeah.

It is ironic isn't it !    Still what the heck, i gotta like our Murphy's posts regardless.

[Richard]

€20m and everyone’s happy. We’ve recouped our outlay and essentially just had him on loan for a year.