Tactics Under Maresca

[fuchsntf]

14 hours ago, iancognito said:

Absolute rubbish.

 

We have no idea what bids have been made or conversations had behind the scenes. He's making it clear to these players that they aren't going to be involved, their agents will want to get them elsewhere and they'll think about lowering signing on fees and wage demands to make it happen. And a manager who's been here 5 mins is surely keeping Rudkin up to speed with his team selection and plans anyway? Jon's not getting a surprise when the FB team sheet pops up.

 

One other thing, we played most these guys on big wages last season and they showed no interest in getting us out of the shit. I don't care if they never get involved again. Let them rot.

Let bygones be bygones is not your family motto then!!

[Deeg67]

1 hour ago, Aleksz said:

Great moves in this clip. My word that pass to break lines from Vestergaard in the first one. 

That's why Vestergaard is playing.  You can "lather, rinse, repeat" this sort of opposition setup for a good chunk of our matches this season.

[bmt]

1 hour ago, Aleksz said:

Great moves in this clip. My word that pass to break lines from Vestergaard in the first one. 

Genuinely think Vestergaard will be quite important this season. Yes he has faults but in games against poor teams his passing and comfort on the ball will be really important to help break them down.

 

I didn't watch the game yesterday but there are some very good clips from it even if we were mostly poor. A couple extra signings and a bit more time working out the system and think we are onto something very good.

[Aleksz]

This thread is great, because it’s great having a manager that’s making us all as fans see the game a bit differently - can only imagine how the players are feeling.

 

Brendanball is dead, long live Enzoball.

[HighPeakFox]

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Coady and Casedei coming in will transform us. Remember this post.

[MGLCFC]

11 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

For me the big difference is passing with a purpose. Yes, sometimes under Maresca it appears slow and one dimensional, but it can explode into 4 or 5 quick passes that breaks the press. I witnessed so much sideways and backwards passing with no purpose under Rodgers, where this is quite a refreshing approach. Whether it will work in the Premier League, should we return, will be interesting.  

[davieG]

13 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

For me it's the football and thank f**k it's not BR more for the communication/character of the manager than BRBall

[coolhandfox]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

I'd say C for me.

 

But the football at the start of Rodgers regime in 19/20 was great.

 

 

 

 

[splinterdream]

37 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

I never had a problem with possession based football, but it requires fit players with plenty of movement off the ball which BR team was very much lacking, and for some reason we never pressed, if enzo puts those thing right, i'm happy

[StriderHiryu]

57 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

For me the big difference is passing with a purpose. Yes, sometimes under Maresca it appears slow and one dimensional, but it can explode into 4 or 5 quick passes that breaks the press. I witnessed so much sideways and backwards passing with no purpose under Rodgers, where this is quite a refreshing approach. Whether it will work in the Premier League, should we return, will be interesting.  

That’s the big difference. 
 

In his first full season with us, Rodgers had us playing high pressing fast football, which was glorious. But the next season he went with more of a double pivot and then finally 433. Stylistically the biggest difference was slower and more methodical play. I suspect smashings against Liverpool and Man City factored into this, as well as Ndidi getting injured. Wanting more control to be a bit more protective was understandable, but we started getting more predictable.
 

I think Rodgers struggled with balance, he wanted us to be attacking and entertaining, but didn’t want us to be wide open at the back. In fairness we went down because we let in too many, not because we didn’t score enough. 
 

Back to Maresca, against Liverpool we saw our system can make chances… but we also lost 4-0. Now no one cares about that game but if we play them in the Premier League next season it will be fascinating to see what the match looks like then. 

[gw_leics772]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

I think 1 now as I feel I'm over br due to the football. Definitely started with a mix of both. Brball actually helped to see the benefits of what we are doing now for me.

[Chrysalis]

Interesting comments from Enzo he mentioned because huddersfield were so obsessed with marking our midfield man to man, its what allowed our defenders to stroll forward with the ball halfway up the pitch as it meant there was no one to close them down.

[adamkhalifa]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

C

 

BR, was trying to implement a similar system, but Prem was unforgiving. Cov and Huddersfield had clear cut chances, but couldn't put the ball in the net. That may be the difference. 

 

Paulo Sousa, remember him was trying to do this. 

 

Claude Puel too. 

 

Personally, I dont like this system. If we ever get back to Prem. Our ceiling is always going to be Man City. The better players, with same system should in theory beat us right 🤷🏽‍♂️.

 

Ranieri literally squeezed out the best from the players at the time. 

 

I am liking what Newcastle are doing. It will be interesting to see the 2 systems going toe to toe. 

 

 

 

 

[Jimmy]

I'd like to see him start Ricardo as the nominal left back with Justin at right back so we end up with a back 3 of Justin Faes and Doyle until Coady is back, get some pace into the back line, Ricardo's role doesn't really matter which side he starts on

[StriderHiryu]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

I'd like to see him start Ricardo as the nominal left back with Justin at right back so we end up with a back 3 of Justin Faes and Doyle until Coady is back, get some pace into the back line, Ricardo's role doesn't really matter which side he starts on

I think Maresca might do that against a team with a fast forward. So if we end up playing against a Premier League team in the cup competitions for example. Wout Faes was magnificent against Huddersfield so you wouldn't take him out, Doyle has impressed so far so you wouldn't take him out either. Vestergaard is slower than an oil tanker, but he had a good game yesterday too and starts the moves until Coady comes back in.

 

We would get found out in the Premier League with that back 3, but if we get back there we might well sign someone to fix it.

[jerry]

27 minutes ago, adamkhalifa said:

C

 

BR, was trying to implement a similar system, but Prem was unforgiving. Cov and Huddersfield had clear cut chances, but couldn't put the ball in the net. That may be the difference. 

 

Paulo Sousa, remember him was trying to do this. 

 

Claude Puel too. 

 

Personally, I dont like this system. If we ever get back to Prem. Our ceiling is always going to be Man City. The better players, with same system should in theory beat us right 🤷🏽‍♂️.

 

Ranieri literally squeezed out the best from the players at the time. 

 

I am liking what Newcastle are doing. It will be interesting to see the 2 systems going toe to toe. 

 

 

 

 

Looks more like Puel ball than not. Nearly dropped off watching the Burton game. Hope Maresca is the new Messiah but should have a clearer idea come Christmas  🤔. Old adage is which would you prefer a good manager or a lucky one ? 

[fuchsntf]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I have a question - I apologise if it comes over as provocative, and maybe nobody really knows the answer.

 

Accepting those that understand the difference between BRBall and EnzoBall know much more than I do, how much of the change in attitude amongst us is:-

 

a) Definitely the football

b) Thank f**k it's not BR, or

c) A mixture of both

 

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that BR had to go, and some time before he actually did. I'm just interested how big the difference actually is, and also how much more we can get away with sub-par performances at this level. I reiterate that I am no student of tactics, but I suspect I am more patient than most.

At present I am standing in that same Queue as you…

Seen all 3 games (thx foreign tv).

Happy that the movement looks more positive & players showing they are

more sold to the idea…(but these are just words built on hope)

## but if you take away the paper wrapping, is there that much difference.

 ## Forget all the nonsense coming from fans on personal cynical snapshots 

       towards  Rodgers..

## Rodgers thoughts on ingraining players to play from the back,and build that

       extra space..not unlike Enzo

## Are we seeing that much difference in commitment,new investments,remainers

       that it looks like it’s working,will we after 10-15 games we see more of expected

       Progress, that we are going somewhere…

##. No matter how good we enjoy @StriderHiryu  & others tactics breakdown..

 

There @HighPeakFox just putting a bit more butter on the bread…..

 

# I am  just having that unfair dark thought,

     I am still not enjoying what I am watching

 #  or am I not giving it that Time & Patience I myself crave on about..

 

At the end of the day,it’s about the  feeling that I have been entertained.

A rebuild is necessary…“But the but“ might become a long time companion,

which might be hard to accept…

At the moment it might sound cruel or harsh after 3 games..

 Though ….As they say…..…“ once bitten twice shy“

 

[iancognito]

5 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Let bygones be bygones is not your family motto then!!

Nope.

 

"Hold Grudges - It's Fun"

[filbertway]

I imagine things will improve with time and more importantly when Rudkin actually cracks on and does his job and gets in the players we so painfully obviously need.

[StriderHiryu]

 

Longer clip of the Praet chance, as I missed the initial build up because the extended highlights weren't available.

 

What a beautiful move! The way we pull the opposition out of possession to make space in behind is really great! Praet finishes badly, but he's really good in the build up for the move. Ricardo has been superb since he was put in this position, we already knew he was a good player, but he deserves major credit, because this is a Tielemans-esque sliding pass, the weight on it is perfect.

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 August 2023 by StriderHiryu

[BenTheFox]

18 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

Longer clip of the Praet chance, as I missed the initial build up because the extended highlights weren't available.

 

What a beautiful move! The way we pull the opposition out of possession to make space in behind is really great! Praet finishes badly, but he's really good in the build up for the move. Ricardo has been superb since he was put in this position, we already knew he was a good player, but he deserves major credit, because this is a Tielemans-esque sliding pass, the weight on it is perfect.

 

 

 

 

Praet taking on the shot that early is so frustrating. He has to draw the goalkeeper. The move is lovely though.

[StriderHiryu]

Just now, BenTheFox said:

Praet taking on the shot that early is so frustrating. He has to draw the goalkeeper. The move is lovely though.

You see it with the other chance he had too, his composure is lacking, and it's something we've seen from him throughout his time here.

 

It might start clicking for him though over time as I would imagine he's never played in a setup where he's consistently getting as many chances as this. Once he gets a bit more confidence as some of these go in, he might start flying. Chuba Akpom for Boro last season went from rarely being a goal threat to scoring over 20 goals with a position change and getting more opportunities. So you never know.

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

 

Back to Maresca, against Liverpool we saw our system can make chances… but we also lost 4-0. Now no one cares about that game but if we play them in the Premier League next season it will be fascinating to see what the match looks like then. 

It was a friendly though and if there's one thing I've learned from friendlies, it's that Ahmed Musa can score against Barcelona.

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, iancognito said:

Nope.

 

"Hold Grudges - It's Fun"

Naaa….Nada  tried it once..then I got….

FT religion..  @Col city fan cured me of all grudges,

or was it

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