Tommy Fresh Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: You should probably make peace with the fact Vestergaard is staying. He's valued for his ability to ping diagonals out to the channels. Hopefully he'll grow in confidence and improve defensively as he settles. In fairness, I do think he was quite harshly rated yesterday. He made a couple of blunders but he also recovered from a couple well too and made some good tackles and interceptions. The times he looked "worst" were actually when the midfield completely evaporated in front of him because Ricky had gone "back" to RB and Winks was caught further up the pitch with nobody else covering the space. That's all stuff that should hopefully improve. Right now the team are being asked to attack and defend in two completely different shapes and play some highly unorthodox roles. It's a lot to learn and we've had barely any match practice. Souttar is a fairly decent passer though isn't he? 2
Popular Post mozartfox Posted 7 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 7 August 2023 6 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: We have also had an ongoing history of being vulnerable at set pieces and corners and those super tankers Morgan and Huth were definitely not that. I think most would agree that having Kante in front of the pair more than compensated for their lack of pace and mobility. 5
Finnegan Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 6 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: Souttar is a fairly decent passer though isn't he? Eh Nothing to write home about. It's not why we signed him. 1
An Sionnach Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 3 minutes ago, mozartfox said: I think most would agree that having Kante in front of the pair more than compensated for their lack of pace and mobility. We are poor in the air both defensively and in attack. It will cost us goals at both ends this season. When you find a ball playing CB who can dominate in the air start thinking £50 million. 1
joeybside Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 17 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Eh Nothing to write home about. It's not why we signed him. What site are those stats from? Very interesting reading
Finnegan Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 Just now, joeybside said: What site are those stats from? Very interesting reading FBRef.
joeybside Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: FBRef. Thank you. That's my afternoon at work sorted 2
Tommy Fresh Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Eh Nothing to write home about. It's not why we signed him. Surprising thought it was a bit better than that, Vestergaard's long passing is the main difference, Souttars short and mid range passing isn't miles worse.
Finnegan Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 Just now, Tommy Fresh said: Surprising thought it was a bit better than that, Vestergaard's long passing is the main difference, Souttars short and mid range passing isn't miles worse. Vestergaard is in the team to play two passes in particular. He plays a good diagonal which is meant to release the wingers. He's more consistently accurate with that than I've ever seen Faes or Souttar be. He's also very good and very confident playing a vertical pass in to midfield to break the lines. Souttar and Faes are decent on the ball to a point, they're both fairly confident trapping it and spreading it to the full backs or laying it off to a dropping midfielder. But Vestergaard is much better at threading it through and actually playing progressively through the opposition. 4
Plastik Man Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 1 minute ago, Iran said: That'll be for the special knock-down price of £20m. Take it or leave it Brendan!🤣 1
BenTheFox Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 1 hour ago, An Sionnach said: We have also had an ongoing history of being vulnerable at set pieces and corners and those super tankers Morgan and Huth were definitely not that. Rewriting history somewhat. We conceded a fair few goals from set pieces in the first half of the title-winning season. We also conceded from crosses and set pieces when we won the championship while Morgan was captain.
An Sionnach Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 2 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: Rewriting history somewhat. We conceded a fair few goals from set pieces in the first half of the title-winning season. We also conceded from crosses and set pieces when we won the championship while Morgan was captain. We did , but we all know about Kasper and high balls. Wes and he had quite a few "conversations" about that.
WigstonWanderer Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 5 hours ago, mozartfox said: Apart from Fofana, this Club has a recent history of playing oil-tankers in CB positions. A priority for the future should be to try and find a young and quick ball playing centre back from a league outside of the UK. Or convert JJ....... I think we’ve been desperate to find a solution to our set piece problem with balls in the box. 1
James_lcfc Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 4 hours ago, mozartfox said: I think most would agree that having Kante in front of the pair more than compensated for their lack of pace and mobility. I actually remember Morgan being deceptively quick. Huth ran like a (slow) robot, but big Wes could move. 1
Popular Post OntarioFox Posted 7 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 7 August 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, James_lcfc said: I actually remember Morgan being deceptively quick. Huth ran like a (slow) robot, but big Wes could move. Centre backs can surprise you. He wasn't exactly pacy, but during the Great Escape season Wasilewski was clocked as the third fastest player in the Premier League for a sprint getting back from an attacking corner. 21mph. Imagine getting in the way of that. It'd be the last thing you ever did. Edited 7 August 2023 by OntarioFox 5
ARM1968 Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 4 hours ago, James_lcfc said: I actually remember Morgan being deceptively quick. Huth ran like a (slow) robot, but big Wes could move. Morgan was something like the 7th fastest player in the Prem at some point. Ridiculous really.
Tielemans63 Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 8 hours ago, Finnegan said: Vestergaard is in the team to play two passes in particular. He plays a good diagonal which is meant to release the wingers. He's more consistently accurate with that than I've ever seen Faes or Souttar be. He's also very good and very confident playing a vertical pass in to midfield to break the lines. Souttar and Faes are decent on the ball to a point, they're both fairly confident trapping it and spreading it to the full backs or laying it off to a dropping midfielder. But Vestergaard is much better at threading it through and actually playing progressively through the opposition. Don't dispute any of this. It's just a shame that Vestergaard is terrible at the defending part of being a defender. Easily outpaced, positionally suspect and somehow poor at aerial duels despite being 7 ft 6. 4
ts_1010 Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 5 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: Morgan was something like the 7th fastest player in the Prem at some point. Ridiculous really. I am convinced I have a memory of Morgan chasing down someone like Suarez or Aguero, getting back from a corner. They had the ball but still in a straight line he was blessed with a great top speed in his younger days.
honeybradger Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 If we can get a decent fee from West Ham or Celtic then it's a good shout considering he's not favoured. It is disappointing that we prefer Vestegaard to Souttar, we will need to score 2-3 goals every game at minimum to make up for all the big chances we will give up with him in defence.
Finnegan Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 25 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said: Don't dispute any of this. It's just a shame that Vestergaard is terrible at the defending part of being a defender. Easily outpaced, positionally suspect and somehow poor at aerial duels despite being 7 ft 6. I'm not saying I completely agree with it, to be clear. To be honest, I think trying to achieve what Maresca is in general with the resources we have at our disposal is worryingly optimistic. But we'll see. 2
blaaklint Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 5 hours ago, James_lcfc said: I actually remember Morgan being deceptively quick. Huth ran like a (slow) robot, but big Wes could move. Problem is never the top speed, its the acceleration. CBs basically never get to top speed unless they're running back from a corner.
Sly Posted 7 August 2023 Posted 7 August 2023 37 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I'm not saying I completely agree with it, to be clear. To be honest, I think trying to achieve what Maresca is in general with the resources we have at our disposal is worryingly optimistic. But we'll see. I think we’d ideally like to overhaul them all. Unfortunately, you can’t do that in one transfer window.
Claudio Fannieri Posted 8 August 2023 Posted 8 August 2023 If Souttar goes, I think Harwood-Bellis comes in to replace him.
Gazza M Posted 8 August 2023 Posted 8 August 2023 Strange with Souttar as Smith didn't play him too much either in the last 8 games. Vestergaard is adequate enough at this level so may as well cash in if the player wants out.
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