Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[The Doctor]

37 minutes ago, teblin said:

The only issue we have is we didn’t sign anyone really last summer due to ffp. Then subsequently got relegated.

 

We were poor and didn’t deserve to stay up. But if 10 points was last season we’d have stayed up.

I mean that's the point isn't it? If we'd have ignored the rules like everton then we would have stayed up (if nothing else, Rodgers wouldn't have thrown a hissy fit on opening day v Brentford and deliberately thrown away two points).

 

35 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

If Everton get 10 points for one breach, what will Man City get if found guilty of the 115 breaches they've been charged with?

 

Oh I know: nothing probably.

It'll be nothing because Man Citys owners have publically said they'd rather spend £50m on lawyers to challenge a £5m fine than pay it. They'll go to court and hold it up so long it'll be timebarred, like with UEFA. Why time barring isn't from when the case is bought to stop this underhanded bollocks IDK.

[Finnegan]

54 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Relegated over 38 games not one or two.

 

Honestly one of the stupidest takes you've ever posted. 

 

Nobody is suggesting we got relegated because of two games against Everton. 

 

The problem is they played 38 games with a squad they cheated to assemble whilst we played, as was plastered all over the media, 38 games with a squad we couldn't afford to reinforce because we were trying to stay within FFP. 

 

Yes, with the squad they had and the squad we had they deserved to stay up over 38 games. 

 

THAT'S THE FVCKING POINT 

 

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

Honestly one of the stupidest takes you've ever posted. 

 

Nobody is suggesting we got relegated because of two games against Everton. 

 

The problem is they played 38 games with a squad they cheated to assemble whilst we played, as was plastered all over the media, 38 games with a squad we couldn't afford to reinforce because we were trying to stay within FFP. 

 

Yes, with the squad they had and the squad we had they deserved to stay up over 38 games. 

 

THAT'S THE FVCKING POINT 

 

Come on man I think it's harsh to say that is one of the stupidest takes I've ever posted There's far to many examples of my stupid takes when I'm not posting seriously.

Edited 17 November 2023 by Fox92

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Honestly one of the stupidest takes you've ever posted. 

 

Nobody is suggesting we got relegated because of two games against Everton. 

 

The problem is they played 38 games with a squad they cheated to assemble whilst we played, as was plastered all over the media, 38 games with a squad we couldn't afford to reinforce because we were trying to stay within FFP. 

 

Yes, with the squad they had and the squad we had they deserved to stay up over 38 games. 

 

THAT'S THE FVCKING POINT 

 

Point is that squad should NEVER have been in that position as Rudkin should have sacked Rodgers 4 time beofre he actually did. The squad we had, maybe even have should not be relegated. Its better that the current bottom 6. 

 

Thats on this clubs incompetence, no one elses! 

Edited 17 November 2023 by Foxin_Mad

[Stadt]

FFP is rubbish anyway, let clubs spend what they want. The PL is better for Newcastle breaking up the big 6 hegemony (regardless of your opinion on their ownership). FFP allows the monied clubs to gatekeeper their positions. Most teams don't spend well anyway, United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc.

[Finnegan]

17 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Ah yes, because working with the PL makes them breaking numerous laws fine? 

 

Quite right relegated clubs have pushed, they've lost hundreds of millions from Everton breaking laws, laws these teams stuck to.

 

 

 

 

 

Does he not realise how much of an own goal that sounds? Everton "working with the Premier League" to break rules, to keep themselves in the division, to avoid points deductions last year when the league had half the season to apply them when it would have sent them down only to then conveniently conclude to deduct now once it looks like they'd be safe? 

 

Nice on Jamie. 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, Stadt said:

FFP is rubbish anyway, let clubs spend what they want. The PL is better for Newcastle breaking up the big 6 hegemony (regardless of your opinion on their ownership). FFP allows the monied clubs to gatekeeper their positions. Most teams don't spend well anyway, United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc.

100% its a load of crap! of course the big six have more revenue, which allows them to buy the best players to make more money,

 

It should be allowed for an owner, if they prove they of fit and proper to invest money into a football club outside of turnover revenues.

 

You cant grow a business without investment or sustained profitability. 

[Golden Fox]

The most frustrating this about this for me is from the BBC article:

 

The Premier League referred Everton to an independent commission in March but did not reveal the specifics of the club's alleged breach.

 

The Premier League had enough evidence about this in March - and yet it has taken until now to apply this points deduction. Hardly sporting integrity from the Premier League to then apply it in a different season.

[Scanchez]

No biggy for them.

The promoted teams will go straight back down.

Everton will be able to stay up with 33 points easily, I would have thought.

All their fans will think they've 'pulled off a miracle after they were so cruelly punished'.

They're like a Boxing Day turd that won't flush.

[SystonFox]

41 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

Someone should mention how bad the teams below Everton are this season and how they'll stay up anyway. Nobody has said that yet. 

Luton, Sheff Utd, Burnley, Bournemouth, Notts. Five worse teams than everton this season and even with a 10 pt pt deduction they will be fine and stay up anyway

[foxy boxing]

Should be the punishment that harms them the most. Is that a points deduction, millions in fines or transfer embargo!. Would be go9d to see them relegated.

[Foxmeister]

At least it's something interesting for Everton fans. Good or bad, nothing of note has happened to them in 28 years.

[goose2010]

52 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

If it's 10 points per breach, it technically should be a 1150 points deduction, which may be trickier to overcome...

Yeah I realised that after I wrote it. Maybe they wouldn't come straight back up

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Should be the punishment that harms them the most. Is that a points deduction, millions in fines or transfer embargo!. Would be go9d to see them relegated.

A transfer embargo wouldn't hurt them, it would help them - considering it would stop them overpaying for the utter crap they've been buying for as long as anyone can remember. Their last decent purchase was probably Gary Lineker from us.

[jayfox26]

I've seen people saying it doesn't matter as we deserved to go down and some saying they wouldn't have wanted us staying up because of a points deduction. I kind of a agree but the main thing that sticks out for me is that we didn't sign anyone other than Faes last summer, despite selling Fofana for a huge fee, as we were apparently getting our finances in order to comply with ffp. So let's say we had signed a couple more players last summer, we'd have probably had a much better chance of staying up and Rodgers might not have thrown his toys out the pram. So turn to Everton last summer and they signed Onana for a huge fee as well as Mcneil plus coady on loan (loan fee) and Tarkowski on a free (wages and sign on fee). My point here is that had we followed Everton and broke the rules and signed a few more players, we'd have probably stayed up. Had Everton followed us and not broke the rules and not signed the likes of Onana and Mcneil, they most probably would have been relegated. 

 

Of course it's all ifs, buts and maybes but it certainly leaves a sour taste 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, jayfox26 said:

I've seen people saying it doesn't matter as we deserved to go down and some saying they wouldn't have wanted us staying up because of a points deduction. I kind of a agree but the main thing that sticks out for me is that we didn't sign anyone other than Faes last summer, despite selling Fofana for a huge fee, as we were apparently getting our finances in order to comply with ffp. So let's say we had signed a couple more players last summer, we'd have probably had a much better chance of staying up and Rodgers might not have thrown his toys out the pram. So turn to Everton last summer and they signed Onana for a huge fee as well as Mcneil plus coady on loan (loan fee) and Tarkowski on a free (wages and sign on fee). My point here is that had we followed Everton and broke the rules and signed a few more players, we'd have probably stayed up. Had Everton followed us and not broke the rules and not signed the likes of Onana and Mcneil, they most probably would have been relegated. 

 

Of course it's all ifs, buts and maybes but it certainly leaves a sour taste 

The period you speak of with Everton they didn’t break the rules. 

[TheStig]

1 hour ago, Jobyfox said:

Everton deducted 10 points for breaching FFP rules.
 

Some will be annoyed that they stayed up last season at our expense. Personally, I’m somewhat pragmatic about it given we weren’t exactly innocent when we were promoted in 2014.

 

interesting how Everton get punished though whilst others (cough … Man City … cough) get away with it …. 

Didn´t we lose both Everton matches?

[CosbehFox]

Just now, TheStig said:

Didn´t we lose both Everton matches?

Beat them and drew last season. 

[Pliskin]

I think that’s very lenient. Ten points won’t send them down, which ultimately is what they deserve. I’d say they’ve gotten away lightly with it….. contrary to what slobber chops Carragher thinks. 

[jayfox26]

2 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

The period you speak of with Everton they didn’t break the rules. 

When are breaches from? I assumed it would have been over a period of time potentially including last summer. I found it interesting that they haven't spent very much this summer 

[jammie82uk]

This legal defense is so laughable, apparently being punished for being ambitious and the transfer market was “soft” and not able to get the players true market value 

 

"Everton will say: 'if we decided to stay at Goodison Park and show a lack of ambition with regards to the new stadium, then we wouldn't be up against a charge and be facing this points deduction'.

"So that will form one part of their defence and hey will be asking for their legal briefings and accounting experts to hook together a case on one of those lines."

 

"I think they will also be seeking further evidence, in relation to their inability to pass players on. 

"For example, they signed Cenk Tosun from Turkey for around £27m - it didn't work out for the player. These things sometimes happen. Everton would have said, under normal circumstances, they would have sold him back to a Turkish club - but Turkey was effectively in total closedown (during Covid), and so that market was denied to them. 

"So, therefore, the chance of recovering £8m to £12m a year or two later was denied to the club.

"Ultimately, Everton were around £20m over the PSR limit - if you knock off another £12m then we're looking at a much lower figure and, you would think, that would provoke a much lower point deduction. So, this is the direction Everton are likely to follow."

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Leeds only finished three points behind us tbf, and 5 behind Everton. Not a massive difference.

 

Southampton miles away of course.

wtf does the number of points have to do with it? Only one team per season can get releagted due to Everton cheating.

You really are determined to knock the club whatever the situation.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, jayfox26 said:

When are breaches from? I assumed it would have been over a period of time potentially including last summer. I found it interesting that they haven't spent very much this summer 

2021/2022 and the three seasons previous 

[MalletFox]

57 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Is there a difference between 'cheating' and cooking the books?

 

Did their dodgy accounting actually translate to an advantage on the pitch? 

Almost certainly!

[CosbehFox]