Wymsey Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/05/clarke-carlisle-retiring-sport-professional-athletes-depression
C-man Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/05/clarke-carlisle-retiring-sport-professional-athletes-depressionCould they not get other jobs? Like us mere mortals?EDIT: not trying to underplay the effects of depression, but 'meaningful' employment probably isn't the right phrase to use!
shen Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Was never convinced by Monk anyway. He took over a very good squad from Laudrup, lost Bony and never really replaced him. Sigurdsson was a great signing but he had already been at the club before under Rodgers. I'm with you there. Don't think he proved much by finishing 8th last season. They've not had much adversity during his tenure and now that they find themselves in a very sticky patch, Monk has been unable to do much about it. I'd argue that Laudrup accomplished more and got sacked for less, which makes the comment below seem ridiculous. Once again another english manager suffers the bullet, some of these clubs can't wait to pull the trigger on English managers.
fuchsntf Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 ' Could they not get other jobs? Like us mere mortals? EDIT: not trying to underplay the effects of depression, but 'meaningful' employment probably isn't the right phrase to use! Thats the crux...they are now mortals, even with or without qualifications or badges.They have to join the commercial markets and compete within the same, and character and values...,,, fair or not. It might prove in someway that as a profi player/modern sportsman , that some they are in a longtime cocoon, and dont try and lookout. I believe that the guys from upto the 80s, might have had their expected retirement easier. Shows that Vardy learnt the other way around, he knows/understands what hes got.
J.Lisemore Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 I think both the League and the FA need to do more to help ex-footballers get a career somewhere. It's not surprising that Clarke Carlisle and Windass tried to kill themselves whilst, persumably, trying to get meaningful employment. Welcome to the real world, where finding employment isn't so easy...
Fox92 Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 ' Thats the crux...they are now mortals, even with or without qualifications or badges. They have to join the commercial markets and compete within the same, and character and values...,,, fair or not. It might prove in someway that as a profi player/modern sportsman , that some they are in a longtime cocoon, and dont try and lookout. I believe that the guys from upto the 80s, might have had their expected retirement easier. Shows that Vardy learnt the other way around, he knows/understands what hes got. You can be a top player - or play in the highest divisions - and become astute though. Look at Dion Dublin and Steve Howard, for example, both run buinesses' now. Footballers know they have a little career so when they get to nearing the age of retirement they should assess the situation. Even if you don't go into business, look at media work or coaching.
Oxshottfox Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 How many realistically can go into media? Not many I would hazard a guess. It may be an unpopular view but I have a huge amount of sympathy for these guys and their post playing career problems. Obviously they earn well and should put money aside but how many of us in our 20s did that? Plus all the adulation they had disappears. One minute your playing in front of 50,000 people and if it does not go well you are claiming benefits. That is going to crush a really strong ego. I hope they all get better financial advice now
Clever Fox Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 It's not finding work is the problem it's coming to terms with their new self worth. Try putting yourself in their shoes. Their playing in front of tens of Thousands and millions on TV. Loved by Fans and envied by most people by most people. Earning millions a year when most people are earning 50 k or less. With no other skills to have to take an average menial job paying a few hundred a week must be gut wrenching to one's ego and self esteem. I know that Clubs and the FA are doing a bit to advise young players but they need to do more. The likes of Gazza, Windass Clark etc could be employed to visit all league Clubs meeting and talking with Players especially young Players about life after football. I accept that not everyone are academics, but Clubs should nearly insist that young players either continue in education or study a trade. Someone once said that Knowledge is no load to carry. Who knows some may even go on to like what their pursuing and create a new career for themselves.
fuchsntf Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 You can be a top player - or play in the highest divisions - and become astute though. Look at Dion Dublin and Steve Howard, for example, both run buinesses' now. Footballers know they have a little career so when they get to nearing the age of retirement they should assess the situation. Even if you don't go into business, look at media work or coaching. Totally agree, I wasnt excusing or being dismisive either way. I have seen travelled most corners of this planet, but found it difficult to understand, anyone in safe circumstances, who have questioned their future lifes without work, or retirement situation. BUT being around 35-40 without expected contacts coming to the fore, must be frustrating......Astute and being able to asses or realise your enviroment, is extra difficult for some.....in lets not forget, ALL walks and levels of life.Like you well mention many find that balance.
Fox92 Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Totally agree, I wasnt excusing or being dismisive either way. I have seen travelled most corners of this planet, but found it difficult to understand, anyone in safe circumstances, who have questioned their future lifes without work, or retirement situation. BUT being around 35-40 without expected contacts coming to the fore, must be frustrating......Astute and being able to asses or realise your enviroment, is extra difficult for some.....in lets not forget, ALL walks and levels of life.Like you well mention many find that balance. Oh yeah I know, I didn't have to quote you, I should have just posted.
LCFCFOX6190 Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Swansea City are keen to assess Ryan Giggs’s managerial intentions before making a final decision on the identity of Garry Monk’s successor at the Liberty Stadium, The Independent can reveal. Giggs, currently acting as Louis van Gaal’s assistant manager atManchester United, has made no secret of his desire to pursue a career in management. The 42-year-old is widely regarded as one of the leading candidates to succeed Van Gaal at Old Trafford when the Dutchman’s contract expires at the end of the 2016-17 campaign. But Swansea are determined to investigate every possible option, and the Welsh club are understood to be ready to speak to Giggs about replacing Monk in the event that the former Wales international is prepared to consider leaving United to begin his managerial career. Having seen Brendan Rodgers reject the opportunity to return to South Wales to take charge of the club he left in 2012 in order to take charge of Liverpool, Swansea are considering a wide range of candidates to succeed Monk. The club’s chairman, Huw Jenkins, is open-minded about potential appointments, but the prospect of luring Giggs to Swansea would be regarded as a major coup and would also fit the Jenkins blueprint of hiring emerging coaches who favour attacking football. Cardiff-born Giggs, who won 63 caps for Wales, moved into coaching as player-coach under David Moyes following Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement as manager in May 2013. Following Moyes’s dismissal in April 2014, Giggs took charge of United as caretaker manager for four games before being appointed as assistant to Van Gaal, with the expectation that he would be groomed to take charge on a permanent basis at the end of the former Ajax, Barcelona and Bayern Munich manager’s reign. However, with Van Gaal entering the final 18 months of his United contract, there remains uncertainty over the club’s intentions, with former Real Madrid coach Carlo Ancelotti admitting to The Independent this week that he would be keen to take charge at Old Trafford following Van Gaal’s departure. With his former United team-mate Gary Neville now moving into management with Valencia, who lost to Lyons in his first game in charge in the Champions League on Wednesday night, Giggs’s lack of management experience could ultimately see him miss out on the top job at Old Trafford – a realisation which Swansea could look to exploit if Giggs fails to receive assurances from the United hierarchy that he is regarded as a serious contender to manage the club. Swansea are unlikely to make an appointment before this weekend’s Premier League fixture against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium. The Wales manager, Chris Coleman, has joined Rodgers in ruling himself out of the running. Avram Grant, the former Chelsea and West Ham manager, is the latest possible candidate to emerge, but Jenkins is believed to be keen to recruit a rising, young coach.
My Nads Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Footballs doing Badgers, wow If potential England managers just want to do badgers I can see why they aren't getting the top jobs...the dirty deviants!
Dan Posted 10 December 2015 Posted 10 December 2015 Monk has turned a side who survive with complete comfort every year to serious relegation candidates. He also thought he'd get away with an attack of Bafetimbi Gomis and Eder. They were abject at the weekend. They're right in the mix this year although I think they'll survive.
Steven Posted 11 December 2015 Posted 11 December 2015 Monk has turned a side who survive with complete comfort every year to serious relegation candidates. He also thought he'd get away with an attack of Bafetimbi Gomis and Eder. They were abject at the weekend. They're right in the mix this year although I think they'll survive. Don't forget that goal scoring machine that is Marvin Emnes.
Countryfox Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 Just realised I've changed. Always looked for the teams near the bottom and thought 'good they should lose that' .... but this morning without realising it I was looking for teams at the top and thinking 'They might lose that' ..... All this paper talk and I think I'm starting to believe it now ! Win the league ? .... Surely not ? Also, mentioned this on another thread as we are obviously the team of the moment ... good write ups in the Telegraph and the Sun today ..... And I wondered who would be next as the press turn the big spotlight on us ... First Ranieri, then Vardy and Mahrez, .... then Kante ... and now Steve Walsh ... who next will the journos turn their attention onto I wonder as they search for the secret of little Leicesters success ???
st albans fox Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 Just realised I've changed. Always looked for the teams near the bottom and thought 'good they should lose that' .... but this morning without realising it I was looking for teams at the top and thinking 'They might lose that' ..... All this paper talk and I think I'm starting to believe it now ! Win the league ? .... Surely not ? Also, mentioned this on another thread as we are obviously the team of the moment ... good write ups in the Telegraph and the Sun today ..... And I wondered who would be next as the press turn the big spotlight on us ... First Ranieri, then Vardy and Mahrez, .... then Kante ... and now Steve Walsh ... who next will the journos turn their attention onto I wonder as they search for the secret of little Leicesters success ??? The fans? Who wouldn't want to play at the KP? Anyway, wins today for our three closest rivals will drop us down to fourth. Pressure off for Monday evening. No longer the leaders and requiring a win to regain which the experts will see as beyond us
what? Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 God how sweet would it be if Swansea, Norwich, Bournemouth and Newcastle all won this weekend and kicked Chelsea into the relegation zone before Monday
Corky Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 If we're top when we kick off on Monday night given the matches for those just below us we can really start to believe it could be our year.
Sir Shep Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 7 consecutive games for Lakaku now Well he's nailed on to score against us and with Newcastle and Stoke I think he's in with a good chance of continuing to score. Typical!
StanSP Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 Norwich are atrocious. Martin Atkinson is atrocious.
Webbo Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 Everton frighten me more than Chelsea or Liverpool.
StanSP Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 Everton frighten me more than Chelsea or Liverpool. same. next Saturday will be a belter of a match I think.
marko Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 7 consecutive games for Lakaku now One of them was in the Capital One Cup against Boro. 6 in a row in the Premier League.
EnglishOxide Posted 12 December 2015 Posted 12 December 2015 Everton playing some really good stuff. Don't want to sit deep against them otherwise they will just outpass you all day even in your own half. Better to take the game to them and open it up like Bournemouth did.
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