Manwell Pablo Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 5 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Yep. This "big club" way of ordering the teams is nonsense. Who cares if a club won a lot 30 years ago? Means absolutely **** all. Take Villa for example. Like to parade the idea that they're a big club. Fact of the matter is that Bournemouth are light years ahead of them. Would still say Villa the bigger club myself. It's about sustainability isn't, I mean I look at Bournemouth as a team that merely trying to stay in this league for as long as possible and one that will inevitably go down at some point in the next 5 years and stay down. This is as good as it gets for them. They aint ever going to achieve the things Villa have, albeit Villa are probably going to have it extremely hard if they are ever going to repeat the things Villa have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, Manwell Pablo said: Would still say Villa the bigger club myself. It's about sustainability isn't, I mean I look at Bournemouth as a team that merely trying to stay in this league for as long as possible and one that will inevitably go down at some point in the next 5 years and stay down. This is as good as it gets for them. They aint ever going to achieve the things Villa have, albeit Villa are probably going to have it extremely hard if they are ever going to repeat the things Villa have But it actually accounts for nothing. Bournemouth are in a far better position on and off the pitch. Being a so-called big club is pointless if you're lumbering in the lower divisions with a terrible squad and terrible attendance percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, AKCJ said: But it actually accounts for nothing. Bournemouth are in a far better position on and off the pitch. Being a so-called big club is pointless if you're lumbering in the lower divisions with a terrible squad and terrible attendance percentages. Apart from having better facilities and more fans which you are right will not dramatically help you on the pitch. Financially Bournemouth lapping it up at the minute, but they need a new stadium really, Villa probably have better facilities an academy to produce the players and still get X 3 as many fans through the door (for obs reasons) , they have a potential to make more money if they are promoted, and potential is all it is I guess. It's advantageous to be a bigger club once you get back to where people view as your correct position you tend to stay there for longer. I mean we have Bournemouth now, in my life time I've seen Swindon, Bradford, Blackpool, Portsmouth, Wigan, all gone down, struggled severely, in some cases success can absolute ruin a club like Bournemouth yet Villa are still able to chuck stupid money around. But yes I'd still much rather be a Bournemouth fan than a Villa fan at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 8 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: Would still say Villa the bigger club myself. It's about sustainability isn't, I mean I look at Bournemouth as a team that merely trying to stay in this league for as long as possible and one that will inevitably go down at some point in the next 5 years and stay down. This is as good as it gets for them. They aint ever going to achieve the things Villa have, albeit Villa are probably going to have it extremely hard if they are ever going to repeat the things Villa have I'd say you're only as good as your current standing, but agree that it seems to balance itself out over time. However, longer periods of success/failure can change your standing. It's astonishing to think how much we've grown in the modern era- at the turn of the 90's, we were at one of our lowest points, middling 'nearly men' with one trophy to our name, playing in a dilapidated ground in front of 11,000. 25 years later, despite 10 consecutive years outside the top flight and our first trip to the third tier, we're the sixth most successful club of the PL era playing in front of sell-out 32,000 crowds in a new(ish) ground. Times will get tougher, but we'll always be bigger than we were at the start of the PL era. You can change the size of the club, and I'd say Bournemouth have grown massively over the last few years, even if they do go down. Likewise, if Villa stay down, they may reduce in size. Leeds, Forest, both Sheffield clubs, Wolves etc. aren't as big as they used to be as a generation has grown up viewing them as Championship/League 1 clubs, and they will have lost some of their fanbase proportionately. You can go down for a little while and retain your stature as long as you bounce back fairly quickly, but you can't dick about in the lower leagues for decades and still claim to be a big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 8 minutes ago, Ted Maul said: I'd say you're only as good as your current standing, but agree that it seems to balance itself out over time. However, longer periods of success/failure can change your standing. It's astonishing to think how much we've grown in the modern era- at the turn of the 90's, we were at one of our lowest points, middling 'nearly men' with one trophy to our name, playing in a dilapidated ground in front of 11,000. 25 years later, despite 10 consecutive years outside the top flight and our first trip to the third tier, we're the sixth most successful club of the PL era playing in front of sell-out 32,000 crowds in a new(ish) ground. Times will get tougher, but we'll always be bigger than we were at the start of the PL era. You can change the size of the club, and I'd say Bournemouth have grown massively over the last few years, even if they do go down. Likewise, if Villa stay down, they may reduce in size. Leeds, Forest, both Sheffield clubs, Wolves etc. aren't as big as they used to be as a generation has grown up viewing them as Championship/League 1 clubs, and they will have lost some of their fanbase proportionately. You can go down for a little while and retain your stature as long as you bounce back fairly quickly, but you can't dick about in the lower leagues for decades and still claim to be a big club. Well tbh I haven't really said anything on the contrary Your absloutley right with Bournemouth and I'm sure the longer they do manage to hang around the bigger they will get. Plenty of teams have grown in stature, we are a prime example, but then it took us years of top flight and yoyoing up and down. In the reverse though I'd personally say it takes something quite dramatic to make you truly lose the size and fanbase once you've got it through sustained periods of success. You might not get as many paying customers while you are down there but, for example, It's unfortunate, but a fact of life that we all must face, that one day Leeds probably are going to make back to the top flight one day, and at that first game Elland Road will sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 Look at the following supposed big clubs and the amount of time they've been outside the top flight. Ipswich 16 years Forest 19 years Sheff Weds 17 years Leeds 13 years We've had higher attendances than Sheffield Wednesday pretty consistently for 15 straight years now. There are an entire generation of Forest fans who've only seen their club play in the 2nd and 3rd tier. Put it this way, if us and Spurs went for the same players we are 100% losing out to Spurs. If us and Wednesday play in the same division and go for the same player it's 50/50. Likewise with Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 2 minutes ago, Koke said: Look at the following supposed big clubs and the amount of time they've been outside the top flight. Ipswich 16 years Forest 19 years Sheff Weds 17 years Leeds 13 years We've had higher attendances than Sheffield Wednesday pretty consistently for 15 straight years now. There are an entire generation of Forest fans who've only seen their club play in the 2nd and 3rd tier. Put it this way, if us and Spurs went for the same players we are 100% losing out to Spurs. If us and Wednesday play in the same division and go for the same player it's 50/50. Likewise with Forest. Not even close. If Wednesday/Leeds/Forest/Ipswich got promoted in Summer 16 and we went for the same players we'd get them 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 Just now, AKCJ said: Not even close. If Wednesday/Leeds/Forest/Ipswich got promoted in Summer 16 and we went for the same players we'd get them 100%. That's because we're more established. Give them 3 PL years and we'd be on the same level as those clubs. If us and Stoke/Southampton went for the same player we are not guaranteed to get the player. Whereas Bournemouth can be in the PL for a decade and they will still not able to compete with us with players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 10 minutes ago, Koke said: That's because we're more established. Give them 3 PL years and we'd be on the same level as those clubs. If us and Stoke/Southampton went for the same player we are not guaranteed to get the player. Whereas Bournemouth can be in the PL for a decade and they will still not able to compete with us with players. It's because we were/are Champions and were/are in the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 7 minutes ago, AKCJ said: It's because we were/are Champions and were/are in the Champions League. That's a little different though isn't and bit of a different scenario as we are on a par size was. The question here is if Leeds got promoted would they be able to pip Bournemouth to players and my answer to that would be yes. In fact Newcastle were able to take one of Bournemouths first team regulars off them this summer despite them now being an established PL team vs a Championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 15 minutes ago, AKCJ said: It's because we were/are Champions and were/are in the Champions League. Actually I'm going to totally revise what i've said there. Stupid discussion as we are discussing professional footballers. They will go to whoever offers to pay them the highest amount normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemunky Posted 3 March 2017 Share Posted 3 March 2017 4 hours ago, Koke said: Look at the following supposed big clubs and the amount of time they've been outside the top flight. Ipswich 16 years Forest 19 years Sheff Weds 17 years Leeds 13 years I wouldn't mind seeing 3 out of those 4 eventually make it back to the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Kermogant and Ben Marshall scoring for Reading and Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemunky Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Owls thumping the Canaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Brighton suffer a heavy 3-0 away defeat at the City Ground - Newcastle now with an excellent chance of putting some more distance between them and 2nd place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SystonFox Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Brighton doing there very best at bottling promotion. i know everyone has a knockaert love in and all that but I don't want Brighton promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 10 minutes ago, SystonFox said: Brighton doing there very best at bottling promotion. i know everyone has a knockaert love in and all that but I don't want Brighton promoted Brighton away not a bad day out .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Rather play brighton in the prem next year then leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FriendlyRam Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Nugent with his first goal for us Brighton bottling it from their position would be worse than ours in 2014-15 , they fail to go up this season from some pretty good positions would mean they might end up needing a rebuild, we know about it from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 4 March 2017 Share Posted 4 March 2017 Haven't been impressed with Brighton every time I've watched them especially away from home. Told my forest supporting brother in law they'll do well against them despite their league position, not surprised at the result. Not sure if I just happen to watch them on their worst days or the championship is a lot weaker than I thought it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 7 March 2017 Share Posted 7 March 2017 So Bristol City have decided to sack their long standing assistant manager and head scout rather than Lee Johnson. Their fans are absolutely fuming! Assistant manager hasn't even got a thank you from club statement. Johnson has also left almost all his new signings on the bench tonight Assume John Pemberton stood up for himself And called LJ out and got sacked for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 7 March 2017 Share Posted 7 March 2017 I think despite Huddersfield's form Brighton and Newcastle will be top 2 - they probably ought to win the play-offs but then it doesn't work out like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 8 March 2017 Share Posted 8 March 2017 I like Leeds but I don't want them promoted. We don't need anymore competition in terms of player signings and finishing in the top half. Brighton and Huddersfield are small clubs so they likely don't have ambitions beyond survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 10 March 2017 Share Posted 10 March 2017 Alex Neil sacked at Norwich, not really surprise he's been probably done well to keep the job as long as he has. Got to be Rowett going there surely, maybe it's even a decent post for Pearson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty98 Posted 10 March 2017 Share Posted 10 March 2017 4 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: Alex Neil sacked at Norwich, not really surprise he's been probably done well to keep the job as long as he has. Got to be Rowett going there surely, maybe it's even a decent post for Pearson? Rowett or Warburton I'd imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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