Ulloa

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Legend_in_blue said:

If he refuses to play, start fining him.

 

The money he is on, he ought to keep quiet, put a shift in and stop complaining.

 

He signed the contract over that period of time, honour it - no agent, no footballer can start calling the shots over these contracts, it's getting out of hand.

 

 

Agreed. Too much player power these days. 

 

Issue is, do we end up have a Berahino situation on our hands, where he no use to us whatsoever. 

 

Not sure what the contracts say, but I am sure him and his agent would change their tune, once they see that his wages are docked each week. 

 

I really like Ulloa too. Seems strange he would go to these lengths and refuse to play for us, only 6 months after winning the title and a dozen or so performances since.

 

It's not like he has been dropped to play and train with the U23's or anything!

 

 

[esoog]

Don't get the "with all respect to the LCFC fans". No respect now fella

[Tuna]

First of all it would be daft to sell him to a rival club, so lets get that one sorted right off.

Secondly, he's gone down massively in my estimations. It's not as if he's had chances, he's failed to take them. He's also not very good, probably in the same bracket of Gestede top level championship, squad player at premier league level. He's paid very good money by us and has a premier league winner's medal, and should be more grateful.

 

He's acted selfishly and with total disregard for anyone but himself, the fact is if we don't get the money we want for him, he stays. Frankly, I'd tell him to stay in the u23's and then sell him at the end of the season as punishment.

[foxfanazer]

9 minutes ago, Tuna said:

First of all it would be daft to sell him to a rival club, so lets get that one sorted right off.

Secondly, he's gone down massively in my estimations. It's not as if he's had chances, he's failed to take them. He's also not very good, probably in the same bracket of Gestede top level championship, squad player at premier league level. He's paid very good money by us and has a premier league winner's medal, and should be more grateful.

 

He's acted selfishly and with total disregard for anyone but himself, the fact is if we don't get the money we want for him, he stays. Frankly, I'd tell him to stay in the u23's and then sell him at the end of the season as punishment.

So he's not very good but we'd be stupid to sell him to a relegation rival. Contradictory isn't it?

[katieakita]

He has done a job in helping us stay up and we moved on with him being a useful squad player and for that he has been very well rewarded but his antics and that of his agent is poor. It is not unreasonable for the club to decline offers they feel are nowhere near the valuation they put on him but this toys out the pram actions leaves a nasty taste. If like he claims it is all about wanting to play football he and his agent could have gone to the club and pushed the Alaves deal with him taking a 20k a week pay cut over the 4 years of the contract to allow Alaves to pay around £6 million for him which would be a more agreeable transfer fee for us.

[Albert]

Big man has never let us down and I don't think any of us would deny him a move as it's pretty clear he's desperate to leave but to do an interview outside the ground saying what he said is a complete disgrace.

He's been refusing to play for the U23's for a while now and trying to force a move but the club are only going to sell if the deals right and we'd be mad to let him go to a relegation rival especially as Slimani keeps having recurring groin problems.

He's lost a lot of respect after today 

[inckley fox]

5 hours ago, Babylon said:

And I'll restate that any idiot should know situations should change. If I go my work and say I'm unhappy and ask if I leave, If they say they'll try and accommodate me then I know it's on their terms. It would be entirely unreasonable for me to expect them to let me out of my contract to go to a direct rival... especially when it's football and relegations are involved.

 

If a foreign team offered the money, then I'd have a bit more sympathy. But we're talking about a direct rival... would United sell an unhappy player to Chelsea if they were both going for the title. Of course they wouldn't, especially not half way through a season. You'd be one of the first people going ape shit on here if he kept Sunderland up at our expense.

 

What also makes it ridiculous, is that his agent even moaned about not getting a new contract, when whinging about not being able to leave. What that means really is that he was happy to stick around, so long as he got paid more money... so I'm not buying this "I want to feel like a footballer"crap.

Like most people, I don't tend to have much patience for footballers who refuse to play or who kick up a fuss through wishing to leave. Yes, he's blotted his copy book, though he's done so as a largely sidelined player who's been led to believe he'll get a chance to play elsewhere, as opposed to as a player who - in his words - is 'in our plans'. When he was in our plans, he did enough for us for me to be willing to hear him out.

 

I don't know whether it's much of a defence of his actions, but I think his words need to be judged within the wider context of a problematic dressing room. I don't wish to lay into Schmeichel or Schlupp or Ulloa now, or anyone else whose name comes to light as being unhappy, because I suspect these are merely the tip of an iceberg.

 

Lots of similar things to this are probably being said behind the scenes and, whether the players are in the right or not (in this specific case, it's easy to see the player's viewpoint, even though I disapprove of his actions), questions have to be asked about why so many people who have previously been model pros are now acting up.

 

I wouldn't get bogged down in the 'if I were on that sort of money...' argument either (not that I'm saying you are, by the way). If people in their profession are complaining because they want to play football, or - in Schmeichel's case, say - because they're worried about what's going on at Leicester, then I'd have more time for that than if they simply wanted more cash now, without having done a great deal to earn it. Which is usually the case.

 

And I accept your argument that he's perfectly happy to 'stick around, so long as he gets paid more money'. But I suppose he was one of a very small number of our players not to be offered improved terms, despite playing a huge part in what's happened here over recent times. While we should all be happy with what we're paid and probably shouldn't waste so much time hankering after more, we still do, and we also feel slighted when we're deprived of recognition which we feel we've earned.

 

That's obviously the case here. And, whether it seems spoilt and silly and demanding or not, many within his profession will feel he's got a point. We might not like this, but if we want to fix the malaise at the club right now, we're going to have to get to grips with this reality far more effectively than we have recently.

[TeamRocket]

Get rid of them all even CR

[Dan]

If Ulloa is still a Leicester player in 24 hours it's yet another failure on our behalf. I can't see how that can possibly help us. If we're that desperate to keep him away from Sunderland then try and strike something up with Alaves again even if it does mean taking a bit of a hit. Rather that than have unhappy characters around the club. Granted I think we're going to end up that way anyway.

 

I just can't ignore the lies. I'd bet good money it's happened to more than just Ulloa.

[dylanlegend]

Surely Brighton or Newcastle will put in a cheeky 6m bid

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said:

If Ulloa is still a Leicester player in 24 hours it's yet another failure on our behalf. I can't see how that can possibly help us. If we're that desperate to keep him away from Sunderland then try and strike something up with Alaves again even if it does mean taking a bit of a hit. Rather that than have unhappy characters around the club. Granted I think we're going to end up that way anyway.

 

I just can't ignore the lies. I'd bet good money it's happened to more than just Ulloa.

I don't like the way Ulloa has come out and said he will refuse to play for us again, but you do have to question the management, when they knew months ago he wanted to leave. Why have we not lined up a replacement. We aren't even replacing a first choice striker, so we could have afforded to go for someone younger and with potential, who would have welcomed a move to us etc. 

 

Add to this, the lack of signings we have made so far this window and previous signings like Hernandez and Benny being disasters, the management and scouting team have to have a serious look at themselves. Hoping the owners can see all this and are prepared to shake things up in the summer. 

[Dan]

Just now, STUHILL said:

I don't like the way Ulloa has come out and said he will refuse to play for us again, but you do have to question the management, when they knew months ago he wanted to leave. Why have we not lined up a replacement. We aren't even replacing a first choice striker, so we could have afforded to go for someone younger and with potential, who would have welcomed a move to us etc. 

 

Add to this, the lack of signings we have made so far this window and previous signings like Hernandez and Benny being disasters, the management and scouting team have to have a serious look at themselves. Hoping the owners can see all this and are prepared to shake things up in the summer. 

It all boils down to complete incompetence on our part. Only got one target man? Sign another then. ****ing hell. It's like we're completely oblivious to the power we have, or had should I say.

 

This has gone from underwhelming, to disappointing, to embarrassing, to a downright ****ing disgrace and a shambles. I think we resemble absolutely everything about a team who will be relegated.

[dylanlegend]

4 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I don't like the way Ulloa has come out and said he will refuse to play for us again, but you do have to question the management, when they knew months ago he wanted to leave. Why have we not lined up a replacement. We aren't even replacing a first choice striker, so we could have afforded to go for someone younger and with potential, who would have welcomed a move to us etc. 

 

Add to this, the lack of signings we have made so far this window and previous signings like Hernandez and Benny being disasters, the management and scouting team have to have a serious look at themselves. Hoping the owners can see all this and are prepared to shake things up in the summer. 

You have clearly forgot about the great 'Raul Uche'

[Thracian]

Wrong reaction from the guy for all that I'm thoroughly disappointed in the way he's been treated.

 

Whatever your grouse and whatever your feelings, a player should make himself available and give of his best.   

 

 

[brucey]

7 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

You have clearly forgot about the great 'Raul Uche'

Uche scored today vs Man City. Seems to have done fairly well, actually, given he's only been allowed 20 min cameos most games. Also still seems to be happy here judging from his Twitter, despite the U23s being absolutely dire.

[HankMarvin]

The more he keeps whining like a bitch the more it weakens the selling clubs position.

 

take the nobs car back 

[adejo92]

The club is falling apart. Complete failure in every department that will inevitably lead us to relegation.

 

None of the players look as happy as they did last season and it just doesn't feel close knit anymore.

 

It was good whilst it lasted.

[tom27111]

Probably been said, not going to trawl through all the pages, but if he's refusing to play, let him rot.

 

I like the guy, the goals against Norwich and West Ham last year were priceless, but he's hardly on a zero hour contract and struggling through life.

 

Fair enough, he wants to go, but don't do it like this.

 

It's not a Payet situation where he's worth 25 million quid.

 

I believe the maximum fine is 2 weeks wages, so fine him that every week he refuses to play.

[RobHawk]

Dear Leo,

 

You're a disgrace! You talk about promises but you signed the contract you are under, now you refuse to play. I have zero respect for you and as big Nig would say, FOAD. Appalling behaviour by a grown man!

[UPinCarolina]

3 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

You have clearly forgot about the great 'Raul Uche'

He had a pretty sick goal for the U23 today.

[AyewJoking]

i think tonights game may indicate how the players feel about one of their brothers being betrayed...........

[Guest Basildon Fox]

**** him. Let him rot and fine him every time he refuses to play. Can not believe that anyone would feel sympathy for him. This sort of bollocks behavior ladies and gentleman is why I am at the point of binning football altogether. Do footballers actually live in the real world?

[Matt]

8 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

If he refuses to play, start fining him.

 

The money he is on, he ought to keep quiet, put a shift in and stop complaining.

 

He signed the contract over that period of time, honour it - no agent, no footballer can start calling the shots over these contracts, it's getting out of hand.

 

 

Should we fine pretty much all our players then?

 

Yes, everyone else is keeping quite but I don't see many putting shifts in.

[Babylon]

7 hours ago, inckley fox said:

Like most people, I don't tend to have much patience for footballers who refuse to play or who kick up a fuss through wishing to leave. Yes, he's blotted his copy book, though he's done so as a largely sidelined player who's been led to believe he'll get a chance to play elsewhere, as opposed to as a player who - in his words - is 'in our plans'. When he was in our plans, he did enough for us for me to be willing to hear him out.

 

I don't know whether it's much of a defence of his actions, but I think his words need to be judged within the wider context of a problematic dressing room. I don't wish to lay into Schmeichel or Schlupp or Ulloa now, or anyone else whose name comes to light as being unhappy, because I suspect these are merely the tip of an iceberg.

 

Lots of similar things to this are probably being said behind the scenes and, whether the players are in the right or not (in this specific case, it's easy to see the player's viewpoint, even though I disapprove of his actions), questions have to be asked about why so many people who have previously been model pros are now acting up.

 

I wouldn't get bogged down in the 'if I were on that sort of money...' argument either (not that I'm saying you are, by the way). If people in their profession are complaining because they want to play football, or - in Schmeichel's case, say - because they're worried about what's going on at Leicester, then I'd have more time for that than if they simply wanted more cash now, without having done a great deal to earn it. Which is usually the case.

 

And I accept your argument that he's perfectly happy to 'stick around, so long as he gets paid more money'. But I suppose he was one of a very small number of our players not to be offered improved terms, despite playing a huge part in what's happened here over recent times. While we should all be happy with what we're paid and probably shouldn't waste so much time hankering after more, we still do, and we also feel slighted when we're deprived of recognition which we feel we've earned.

 

That's obviously the case here. And, whether it seems spoilt and silly and demanding or not, many within his profession will feel he's got a point. We might not like this, but if we want to fix the malaise at the club right now, we're going to have to get to grips with this reality far more effectively than we have recently.

I agree with you, as I've touched on a few times myself there is a problem behind the scenes clearly. I'm not arguing that we haven't contributed to the mess in some way.

 

I never thought we needed another older striker in the summer, it was obvious one was always going to miss out and people wouldn't be happy.

[Guest bennytwohats]

Another thing you have to wonder is why we decided to play hardball with Leo, but not Kante. If there was an obvious player to let go and an obvious one to keep there then we have got it absolutely the wrong way round.

 

I guess you never know how the player will react to that situation. Some (see Suarez, Ronaldo etc) have got their head down and done fantastically, other turn sour (Berahino, Payet). I guess a big what if of our season would have been if we had done what we are doing with Kante, where would we be now?

 

All that aside, the club clearly has isssues right now, hard to comment too much as I have no idea what's going on, but the last thing we needed right now was to have all this come out in the public eye, and for that what Leo has done is pretty unforgivable imo. He's heaping more pressure on an already pressured situation that nobody at the club needs. He's been great for us but I've lost all sympathy with him now.