Gylfi Sigurdsson

[Babylon]

Just now, Countryfox said:

 

They seem to be more dynamic ...    Not saying it will pay off but they are giving it a go, their intentions are clear ....    We are obviously chasing the same thing but are adopting a more conservative approach.   Imo we have missed a few opportunities ..  Eg Keane ...    Our stance after becoming champions was an indicator to me that we are being too conservative.   Only my opinion as overall the owners are doing a fantastic job.

I think the issue was we had no idea we'd get that much money from the champions league. We could only budget for about £10m from it. Back then an extra £5m for Keane, an extra £15m for Sigurdson plus the extra wages buying from England could have been too much.

 

If we knew in advance, like Everton knew they were flogging those players, we'd probably have rolled the dice a little more.

[CyprusFox]

2 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

They seem to be more dynamic ...    Not saying it will pay off but they are giving it a go, their intentions are clear ....    We are obviously chasing the same thing but are adopting a more conservative approach.   Imo we have missed a few opportunities ..  Eg Keane ...    Our stance after becoming champions was an indicator to me that we are being too conservative.   Only my opinion as overall the owners are doing a fantastic job.

Ii agree we are being far too conservative, but I also think the Everton approach is taking it to the extreme.

[Clever Fox]

1 minute ago, CyprusFox said:

Ii agree we are being far too conservative, but I also think the Everton approach is taking it to the extreme.

Agreed, they're behaving like a child in a sweet shop.

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, CyprusFox said:

Ii agree we are being far too conservative, but I also think the Everton approach is taking it to the extreme.

 

I agree, but forgetting the scousers we need to grasp the nettle a bit more (as you agree)...    Mid table mediocrity is far easier than breaking into the top 6 ...   It's all about our owners ambitions.   Their call.

[foxinsocks]

2 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Agreed, they're behaving like a child in a sweet shop.

Koeman is a good manager. ... but they may fall foul of mancityitis....buying good players tgst dont perform consistently as a team. We will see.

 

Thats why it would be better for a team like us to bring in ome or two high quality players every 6 mths

[Guest Col city fan]

5 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Agreed, they're behaving like a child in a sweet shop.

What does that make PSG then?

 

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

 

I agree, but forgetting the scousers we need to grasp the nettle a bit more (as you agree)...    Mid table mediocrity is far easier than breaking into the top 6 ...   It's all about our owners ambitions.   Their call.

You want fame... it costs

[MPH]

So the Iheancho thread is closed- a player we are about to sign and this one is left open.... hmmm

[NeilLCFC]

11 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Well bugger off then.

When you come on to the forum and see a 'hot' thread, you're going to think that there have been some relevant developments in relation to the transfer only to have to go through pages of crap that in the majority of cases have very little to do with the title of the thread. So it's not a case of buggering off, how about people stop talking crap in threads instead?

[Clever Fox]

3 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Koeman is a good manager. ... but they may fall foul of mancityitis....buying good players tgst dont perform consistently as a team. We will see.

 

Thats why it would be better for a team like us to bring in ome or two high quality players every 6 mths

Koeman is a good Manager, But doesn't he operate there as a Head Coach. I'm just wondering who is picking all the players.

is it Walsh, Koeman or the Owners.

[Clever Fox]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

What does that make PSG then?

 

That's a whole new Thread on its own. Let's just stick to the Premiership.

[Countryfox]

5 minutes ago, NeilLCFC said:

When you come on to the forum and see a 'hot' thread, you're going to think that there have been some relevant developments in relation to the transfer only to have to go through pages of crap that in the majority of cases have very little to do with the title of the thread. So it's not a case of buggering off, how about people stop talking crap in threads instead?

 

Im not talking crap but trying to have a discussion ....    So you can bugger off too. 

[Countryfox]

50 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Why is this still be discussed. He won't be coming here. 

 

Soz mate overreaction ....   

[Great Boos Up]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I usually like your posts but you're making ridiculous analogies here. And offensive ones. I'm not into spending for the sake of it. But if the going rate for Sigurdsson is 45/50 mill and he's our key identified target, pay the money and let's get on with making a fist of the season.

 The club can afford to.

This. I've been shouting it for the last four transfer windows of which he's been a key transfer target. He costs more because we  never paid. 

[GaelicFox]

48 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Im not talking crap but trying to have a discussion ....    So you can bugger off too. 

Ignore that tool CF 

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

So the Iheancho thread is closed- a player we are about to sign and this one is left open.... hmmm

Have signed... Please keep up. 

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

I think the main problem with the Gylfi transfer is via some very strategic leaks, he's made it completely clear that he doesn't want to join us and he wants to join Everton.  We could offer Swansea £60m which they'd accept but if the player doesnt want to come, then he wont.

Actually we should do that to screw around with the Toffees

[vanity]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Someone who's going to cost you £85m total package will most probably just been seen as too much of a risk for one player.

 

Whether you sell players or not, that's still what he costs what. What if he flops, what if he gets injured... the club will weigh up the risk / reward.

 

Then there is FFP presuming we are trying to stay in the boundaries. Could we afford that amount whilst also strengthening other positions?

Ffp is a joke. We could use one of our owner's new teams to buy mendy and ulloa for 50 mill, poof, ffp complied with. Or if they won't go, some young kid. Rules are nonsense.

[vanity]

4 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

I never meant to offend so apologies if you taken any.

 

I just think it's ridiculous that people entertain that Leicester City should:

 

a) Spend more money on one player than Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, AC Milan, etc ever have on a player

b) Make Sigurdsson the 20th most expensive player of all time.

c) Spend that much on a player who the top clubs aren't interested in.

 

This is a player who failed at Tottenham but proved to be a good PL player with Swansea. At 28 years old in a month we already know his limitations. You can almost guarantee that he won't be the difference between finishing top six or not. Outside his set pieces he's been very average in scoring and creating chances.

 

I'm not averse to us spending big by any means but we should choose that moment more carefully.

 

Man City bought Gabriel Jesus for £27m. If we make purchases like that on 19 year old future worldies we get a lot of value out of them on the pitch and no doubt when we sell him on again. Spending £50m on Sigurdsson will not be money well spent when he leaves and we analyse his time at the club.

 

 

Your frame of reference is different from mine. You see it as patently ridic and unwise to spend like drunken sailors on a limited player. I see it as acquiring an enormous need that will allow us to seriously challenge for Europe if we bring in another CB, say Smalling who also can play RB in a pinch. We do that, then on paper we are very credible for Europe, and the best teams in the league will struggle with us. In fact, on paper, we'd be close to a top-6 side  If we make Europe, Sig pays for himself (merch, exposure, Leicester gaining reputation and attracting better talent, not having to overbid for talent, etc.).

 

It isn't that you are wrong, or I am wrong. Both strategies make sense and are defensible. Sometimes you have to overpay to see your ambitions through when you don't have the reputation. Happens in business all the time, it is simply compensation for perceived risk. But your way makes sense too, certainly, the problem with it though is a perceived dearth of substitutes.

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, vanity said:

Your frame of reference is different from mine. You see it as patently ridic and unwise to spend like drunken sailors on a limited player. I see it as acquiring an enormous need that will allow us to seriously challenge for Europe if we bring in another CB, say Smalling who also can play RB in a pinch. We do that, then on paper we are very credible for Europe, and the best teams in the league will struggle with us. In fact, on paper, we'd be close to a top-6 side  If we make Europe, Sig pays for himself (merch, exposure, Leicester gaining reputation and attracting better talent, not having to overbid for talent, etc.).

 

It isn't that you are wrong, or I am wrong. Both strategies make sense and are defensible. Sometimes you have to overpay to see your ambitions through when you don't have the reputation. Happens in business all the time, it is simply compensation for perceived risk. But your way makes sense too, certainly, the problem with it though is a perceived dearth of substitutes.

 

Good post to be fair.

 

Maybe it's worth pulling the trigger on that special player who is well overpriced and we're certain to lose money on but for me Sigurdsson isn't quite that player.

[Wymsey]

Like us sometimes, Everton badly need a creative player behind the strikers.

They looked bland at times today.

[gurru991]

It doesn't make sense financially to spend 50 mil on a 28 year old player.  He has maybe four years at the top level with very little resale value at 32 years old. We need to look at the younger players who will give us 8 to 10 years or have good resale value

 

[blabyboy]

Forget the resale value. You have to consider the here and now. Injury can wipe out potential resale value. Relegation can wipe out resale value. Even team strategy and tactics can erode resale value. What he brings to the team based on past performances is the only measure you have to judge. If the manager thinks he is worth it and can provide a good addition, then that really, is the only value judgement in town.

[HankMarvin]

5 hours ago, HoustonFox said:

I think Col has blocked you Bab's so hopefully if he sees my quote he will reply (not that I am doing it because of that, as I'm replying to you too).

 

I agree with you on spending a lot of money (again, not taking sides!!) and we need to be a bit more judicious with our money than a lot of people think.  

 

My biggest concern is that we are the peak of the TV money for the Premier League, and I worry how long TV, and collective bargaining will be a thing.  We're already seeing LCFC start to stream live game.  The court injunction on piracy may make penalties harsher but it won't block pirating at all. Clubs and the EPL will have to start to embrace serving up games online and then it will become interesting.  I worry that we are the only country (apart from the US) that has any semblance of even revenue for TV money, but looking at the breakdowns, there a lot of position based bonuses coming in. A lot of clubs are betting big that they will get more revenue and for a longer period by spending big (exhibit A, Everton) but not everyone will get in the Top 4 and get huge money.  Then it becomes a case, in my opinion, over either doubling down or going back to normal.  We've seen the league even out a little in the last couple of years but I worry that at some point a split will happen and it'll be off the back of the haves and have nots.

 

So back to Gylfi... I seriously think the club haven't pulled the trigger as it's too big of a bet on getting us into the top 4 and sustaining it.  The £30M on Slimani and the net spend last year was a bit of, oh crap, in my opinion, and we did miss out on some players that would have got us top 6.  I think that Kante was seen by many players as such a big factor, plus we were "one off" that they didn't want to bet on us either.  Weird, because Gylfi last year for 30M would have probably have been doable and the UCL would have paid for him.  

Net spend on transfers was only 22 million last year, if we can get shot of a lot of the deadwood this year it will obviously offset this years expenditure to date.

[HoustonFox]

39 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Net spend on transfers was only 22 million last year, if we can get shot of a lot of the deadwood this year it will obviously offset this years expenditure to date.

Good point, but I worry about the ongoing costs (inflated transfers and amortized fees) that will be impacted if revenue goes down. I'm not sure how they account for credits, ASAP I would have thought, unless paid in installments, but debits will be spread across multiple year.  Any accountants want to pile on?