st albans fox Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 7 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: It does feel like we're being hung out to dry by FIFA, them making an example of us. Or of English football Geoff - wrong place, wrong time for little old lcfc !! the fact that we haven't accepted the decision in the press release and simply express disappointment with it says to me that we really do believe we did things within the rules. 13 minutes ago, katieakita said: . If he played for any other team we would be saying what a harsh penalty has been handed done to him absolutely crazy. That's not the message I get down here from people who have no interest in us as they are all top six club fans - they point out that teams in and around the bottom of the table would have been enquiring in detail about the reasons for any appeal being successful. As Geoff pointed out above, once FIFA opened a can of worms on that Friday, this wasn't likely to end well.
mozartfox Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 54 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: Even if we were completely liable we would then have a case to argue re the reasonableness of the judgement and the proportionality of the sanction In Civil Law cases, when somebody is technically in the wrong, but common sense says the act in question is trivial, the Courts often choose to meter out a punishment that reflects this. Done all the time.
Pete from the USA Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 2 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Considering we spent a month scratching our heads wondering what to do after we initially got told no I fully expect us to waste our time again scratching our heads wondering what to do until January Pure incompetence all round They weren't scratching their heads. They were working with IT experts to mine the data logs to prove the documents were submitted before the deadline: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-consider-taking-fifa-579412 Everything was submitted before the deadline, and the data supporting this is irrefutable. There is no legal basis at all for FIFA to reject the appeal. I can only assume they rejected it to avoid the embarrassment of publicly admitting that they were wrong.
Pete from the USA Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 9 hours ago, Chrysalis said: great post of course the first step is for the club to accept we fuched up then of course the inquiry, seems we not made the first step yet The documents were submitted before the deadline. LCFC worked with IT experts to produce irrefutable evidence for this, which was the basis for the appeal: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-consider-taking-fifa-579412 FIFA have no legal basis for rejecting the appeal.
murphy Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 15 hours ago, RODNEY FERNIO said: F ools I diots A sses S tupid C ocks O ut of time F vcking I ncompetent F inickety A rseholes
soulieoldie Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 Apologies if this has already been posted but think it's worth a read and does make you wonder. FIFA Disappoints Leicester City But Clear Odey For FC Zurich Debut After International Games October 4, 2017 0 29 English Premier League outfit Leicester City have revealed their frustrations after FIFA refused their appeal to register their deadline day signing Adrien Silva. Silva was signed from Sporting Lisbon by Leicester City but his move failed to meet the deadline for registration of new players, but Leicester City were hoping to get him registered hence they appealed to FIFA. However the FIFA’s Players Status Committee rose from their meeting today and backed the decision earlier taken by the English FA in denying them a waiver to register Silva. While Silva’s case was turned down, MFM forward Stephen Odey had his wish granted as his registration with FC Zurich which failed to meet the deadline day for registration was approved. Odey is now in line to make his debut for the Swiss side after the international round of games this weekend for the World Cup 2018 Qualifiers. Daniel Martins
foxes_rule1978 Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 4 minutes ago, soulieoldie said: Apologies if this has already been posted but think it's worth a read and does make you wonder. FIFA Disappoints Leicester City But Clear Odey For FC Zurich Debut After International Games October 4, 2017 0 29 English Premier League outfit Leicester City have revealed their frustrations after FIFA refused their appeal to register their deadline day signing Adrien Silva. Silva was signed from Sporting Lisbon by Leicester City but his move failed to meet the deadline for registration of new players, but Leicester City were hoping to get him registered hence they appealed to FIFA. However the FIFA’s Players Status Committee rose from their meeting today and backed the decision earlier taken by the English FA in denying them a waiver to register Silva. While Silva’s case was turned down, MFM forward Stephen Odey had his wish granted as his registration with FC Zurich which failed to meet the deadline day for registration was approved. Odey is now in line to make his debut for the Swiss side after the international round of games this weekend for the World Cup 2018 Qualifiers. Daniel Martins Clearly we didn't offer a big enough brown envelope
katieakita Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 36 minutes ago, Pete from the USA said: The documents were submitted before the deadline. LCFC worked with IT experts to produce irrefutable evidence for this, which was the basis for the appeal: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-consider-taking-fifa-579412 FIFA have no legal basis for rejecting the appeal. In which case straight to CAS and while were at it pop a bill into FIFA for his wages
yorkie1999 Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 28 minutes ago, soulieoldie said: Apologies if this has already been posted but think it's worth a read and does make you wonder. FIFA Disappoints Leicester City But Clear Odey For FC Zurich Debut After International Games October 4, 2017 0 29 English Premier League outfit Leicester City have revealed their frustrations after FIFA refused their appeal to register their deadline day signing Adrien Silva. Silva was signed from Sporting Lisbon by Leicester City but his move failed to meet the deadline for registration of new players, but Leicester City were hoping to get him registered hence they appealed to FIFA. However the FIFA’s Players Status Committee rose from their meeting today and backed the decision earlier taken by the English FA in denying them a waiver to register Silva. While Silva’s case was turned down, MFM forward Stephen Odey had his wish granted as his registration with FC Zurich which failed to meet the deadline day for registration was approved. Odey is now in line to make his debut for the Swiss side after the international round of games this weekend for the World Cup 2018 Qualifiers. Daniel Martins So does that mean the F.A. actually denied the transfer?
sacreblueits442 Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 I know this is a silly question but: Has FIFA actually stated the reason(s) why the ITC can not be released? It seems we all believe it is to do with the 14 seconds but is there an additional problem which has not publicly being made known. As I understand, the fee is required to be paid before the deadline of 11.00pm and only then an extension can be granted. Have we paid the fee!!!!!!!!!! I do not believe we can take FIFA to court as the club and FA have agreed to FIFA's t's & c's. I agree the club should have made more of this within the media, as we seem to come across as easy prey. I have a nagging doubt all is not as stated by the club and due to their actions have created a situation which has thrown this club into chaos.
soulieoldie Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 7 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: So does that mean the F.A. actually denied the transfer? That's how I read it.
Snik-Snok Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 1 hour ago, Pete from the USA said: They weren't scratching their heads. They were working with IT experts to mine the data logs to prove the documents were submitted before the deadline: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-consider-taking-fifa-579412 Everything was submitted before the deadline, and the data supporting this is irrefutable. There is no legal basis at all for FIFA to reject the appeal. I can only assume they rejected it to avoid the embarrassment of publicly admitting that they were wrong. They may have provided evidence that the submission was made before the deadline, based on the clock on the pc where the submission was made, and also on the timestamps of any 3rd party servers that the data passed through on it's way to FIFA's system. However, that's irrelevent, because a) the only clock that matters is the one on FIFA's system. Anyone can change the date/time on their PC. Basically, we've sent evidence that says "Look, our PC says it was 10 seconds before the deadline", and FIFA have said "Yeah, but our clock says it wasn't". From what I've managed to find out about their Transfer Matching System, the user can see the TMS system time (i.e. from FIFA's clock) so they would have known what time they were working to. b) the appeal is focusing on FIFA's rules which says it's based on submission time, not received time. To me 'submitted to' the system is the same thing as 'received by' the system. If I applied for, for example, a cash ISA and the submission deadline was 5th Oct 5pm, and I decided to apply by post but didn't post it until midday on 5th Oct, then it would rightfully be rejected when it arrives at least 1 day later. Having a proof of postage receipt from the Post Office dated before the deadline wouldn't make it valid. However, it seems to be like their system has allowed submissions to be accepted after the deadline, which has resulted in the FA processing it (meaning he's our player) but then FIFA withholding clearance, leaving him in limbo. Any appeal should have been focusing on this flaw in the system logic, because if it's late the system should immediately prevent the submission. Instead, it's allowed it to be submitted (after presumably passing the basic validation that most competent systems would have in place), the transaction has been recorded in the system, and notification has been sent to the FA who have subsequently processed it. Then, the very same system that allowed it to be submitted has subsequently rejected it for being late!
joachim1965 Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 3 hours ago, soulieoldie said: That's how I read it. I was under the impression we had the backing of the FA on this one.
FoxinNotts Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 Forget it, it's over. He won't play until January 1st, and that's that. Best case senario. Even if we appeal via the CSA, this will likely take a few months. Unlikely he'll be playing much before Jan. i expect we'll go to appeal simply to show we're doing all we can and maybe even get some compensation. I feel for Adrien. I just hope he stays with us and has some understanding.
st albans fox Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 16 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said: Forget it, it's over. He won't play until January 1st, and that's that. Best case senario. Even if we appeal via the CSA, this will likely take a few months. Unlikely he'll be playing much before Jan. i expect we'll go to appeal simply to show we're doing all we can and maybe even get some compensation. I feel for Adrien. I just hope he stays with us and has some understanding. Corrective text is a scary thing or you have a sense of humour !! possiy both !!
yorkie1999 Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 20 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said: Forget it, it's over. He won't play until January 1st, and that's that. Best case senario. Even if we appeal via the CSA, this will likely take a few months. Unlikely he'll be playing much before Jan. i expect we'll go to appeal simply to show we're doing all we can and maybe even get some compensation. I feel for Adrien. I just hope he stays with us and has some understanding. Whats the child support agency got to do with it?
FoxinNotts Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 10 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Whats the child support agency got to do with it? sorry! I meant sports arbitration council ?
urban.spaceman Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 Father of Leicester City player is outraged and wants everyone to know about it Adrien Silva’s father is completely outraged with FIFA’s decision of not allowing the midfielder to play for Leicester City this year. As officialy stated by the club yesterday, the Foxes’ appeal to register the player as a summer signing was not accepted, as FIFA keep saying the transfer was completed after the deadline. And right after the statement was made, his father Manuel Silva spoke to Radio Renascença in Portugal, showing how angry he is for the situation. “I have to accept,” he started saying. “I think the people who have been involved in this are who have to put their hands on the conscience. It’s an unfair situation, completely. It’s frustrating, for only 14 seconds, but what are we going to do? We have to accept and work to be ready on the 1st of January.” “I’ve already spoken to Adrien and he feels like someone who wants to play and is prevented from playing for 14 second. “FIFA are a Swiss and cold body. FIFA are more concerned with profits than with the players. In this case, they are not worried about the player’s situation. If it was for a delay of five minutes, we would even admit that we had been wrong. Now, for 14 seconds, when we know how computers work… it’s impressive.” “But I also understand their position. If they accepted, there are many other cases that have already happened and they would be criticised. I think it’s a completely aberrant thing. It’s really stupid.” Regarding Adrien’s place in the World Cup squad, he said: “Mentally, he’s prepared to return. He’s a player who is part of the group and whom the coach relies on. Going back in January, he’ll be ready to get strong in June and in the World Cup.” There’s another reason why Manuel Silva would be concerned about the situation at Leicester City. As reported by the same outlet, he’s the president of Associação Recreativa e Cultural de Paçô, the club where the midfielder started playing and left when he was 13. And since they would also get money from the transfer due to the solidarity mechanism, these resources are blocked for now as well. But Manuel claims he’s not worried about this for now: “True, they haven’t received this money yet and we still do not know how much it will be. What worries the most, at this moment, is the situation of the player. The rest is not the most important.” Adrien Silva is very much considered a Leicester City player by the Portuguese media, and Sporting, and has been since deadline day.
Wymsey Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 Can we loan him out if he's on our books, despite being barred from play?
murphy Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 2 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Can we loan him out if he's on our books, despite being barred from play? I think we could loan him to Sporting but any other clubs would break another pointless FIFA rule - 3 clubs in a year is not allowed.
brucey Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 Not allowed to play in official U23 games either according to the Mercury.
Wymsey Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 4 minutes ago, murphy said: I think we could loan him to Sporting but any other clubs would break another pointless FIFA rule - 3 clubs in a year is not allowed. Just thought about the 3-club rule. Silva being sent back to temporarily play for them would make it even more awkward/guilty for him... As mentioned a few times on this thread and the other Silva one, there's plenty of worse stuff that happens in the football world that is less condemned than this fiasco. It's been ridiculous since the start of this.
RonnieTodger Posted 5 October 2017 Posted 5 October 2017 Just heard what Adrian Durham said about us yesterday. You know it's bad when that cretin is pretty much right.
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