FIFA reject Adrien Silva appeal

[STUHILL]

I think people are being a bit over-dramatic. I'm pissed off but he could have signed and got injured straight away, similar to Mendy. We are just going to have to cope without him until January. As another poster said, our season will not be defined by not having 1 player for 3 months. It certainly won't help, but we should be able to get through until January, as long as Shakey starts addressing some of our other issues. 

 

We are 1 very good CM down for 3 months, but we still have Iborra and N'didi who should be able to sit in front of a back 4 or 3 if Shakey changes formation, which he really needs to. 

 

I'm still optimistic we have the foundation of a very good side, but we have to get our best players on the pitch and get them playing to their strengths i.e freeing up Mahrez from defensive duties 

 

Got 10 days or so with most the squad here, so hope we will see a new looking line-up and formation for WBA. (wishful thinking perhaps)

 

 

[weller54]

47 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Console yourself until drinky is fit to play again - might be January ! 

I'd rather have a half fit Drinkwater playing for us than a fully fit Andy King!

[murphy]

11 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

I think people are being a bit over-dramatic. I'm pissed off but he could have signed and got injured straight away, similar to Mendy. We are just going to have to cope without him until January. As another poster said, our season will not be defined by not having 1 player for 3 months. It certainly won't help, but we should be able to get through until January, as long as Shakey starts addressing some of our other issues. 

 

We are 1 very good CM down for 3 months, but we still have Iborra and N'didi who should be able to sit in front of a back 4 or 3 if Shakey changes formation, which he really needs to. 

 

I'm still optimistic we have the foundation of a very good side, but we have to get our best players on the pitch and get them playing to their strengths i.e freeing up Mahrez from defensive duties 

 

Got 10 days or so with most the squad here, so hope we will see a new looking line-up and formation for WBA. (wishful thinking perhaps)

 

 

I don't think it is over-dramatic.  Have you seen our midfield?

 

Not fit for purpose.

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, murphy said:

I don't think it is over-dramatic.  Have you seen our midfield?

 

Not fit for purpose.

I've seen the midfield with King and without Iborra. Would like to see that change, and also our formation. We have options other than King in a 2 man CM/4-4-2!

 

Just need Shakey or whoever may replace him to use those options. 

[brucey]

1 hour ago, sm1 said:

Basically this. Its our own problem, we tried to be clever & rinse every last penny from the DD deal pushing us over the edge for this deal. What ever extra we made from DD is now going on Silva's wage even though he won't play until next year. On top of this we have a seriously depleted midfield.

DD's sale price went up by 12m on transfer deadline day alone.

 

Silva's wages will only cost us an extra 1m until January. Plus potentially recoverable via CAS appeal, as it sounds like we have a decent case.

 

Drinky would still have been injured and sulking after having his head turned if he was still here, so wouldn't have been any more use to us currently anyway.

 

At least Silva can train instead of being sat in the treatment room. I'd expect he can play in our U23s too since he's named in our PL squad and the FA are feeling sorry for us. Our U23s are playing well now anyway and we can also throw half a fringe first team in for him to play alongside.

[murphy]

4 minutes ago, brucey said:

DD's sale price went up by 12m on transfer deadline day alone.

 

Silva's wages will only cost us an extra 1m until January. Plus potentially recoverable via CAS appeal, as it sounds like we have a decent case.

 

Drinky would still have been injured and sulking after having his head turned if he was still here, so wouldn't have been any more use to us currently anyway.

 

At least Silva can train instead of being sat in the treatment room. I'd expect he can play in our U23s too since he's named in our PL squad and the FA are feeling sorry for us. Our U23s are playing well now anyway and we can also throw half a fringe first team in for him to play alongside.

Can he play for the U23s?  Just not for the first team?

[onekeithweller]

Can we appoint him as a coach, at least he'd be involved and on the bench?

[Merging Cultures]

https://www.lcfc.com/news/488250/adrien-silva-fifa-registration-decision-upheld/press-release

[Phube]

25 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said:

https://www.lcfc.com/news/488250/adrien-silva-fifa-registration-decision-upheld/press-release

You know what's weird about that statement; the fact that on Leicester City's own official statement it says "A Leicester City spokesman said..."!

 

Isn't that the third person perspective? Who is this'spokesman'?

[sm1]

1 hour ago, brucey said:

DD's sale price went up by 12m on transfer deadline day alone.

 

Silva's wages will only cost us an extra 1m until January. Plus potentially recoverable via CAS appeal, as it sounds like we have a decent case.

 

Drinky would still have been injured and sulking after having his head turned if he was still here, so wouldn't have been any more use to us currently anyway.

 

At least Silva can train instead of being sat in the treatment room. I'd expect he can play in our U23s too since he's named in our PL squad and the FA are feeling sorry for us. Our U23s are playing well now anyway and we can also throw half a fringe first team in for him to play alongside.

From what i gather we were offered 32M for DD, the morning of the transfer deadline. We wanted 35M which then delayed the deal until late evening. This lead to the Silva deal getting delayed and even though we requested an extra 2 hours, we still couldn't complete on time. Considering how much money is at stake regarding PL positions or god forbid relegation, that extra 3M which lead to this fiasco could end up being very costly.

[murphy]

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Slimani and Silva get together to talk about what a great move it was to leave Sporting for Leicester.

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, brucey said:

DD's sale price went up by 12m on transfer deadline day alone.

 

Silva's wages will only cost us an extra 1m until January. Plus potentially recoverable via CAS appeal, as it sounds like we have a decent case.

 

Drinky would still have been injured and sulking after having his head turned if he was still here, so wouldn't have been any more use to us currently anyway.

 

At least Silva can train instead of being sat in the treatment room. I'd expect he can play in our U23s too since he's named in our PL squad and the FA are feeling sorry for us. Our U23s are playing well now anyway and we can also throw half a fringe first team in for him to play alongside.

I got the impression Drinkwater was sulking anyway even before the Chelsea business. He was playing very negatively and always seemed angry, not sure why. He doesn't seem to have been happy for some time.

 

I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that he wasn't playing well since about November 16, and was heavily criticised here, so it might not have made as much difference keeping him as many are now implying.

[tsintskaro]

sorry for the guy

 

 

Cant find that thread - i am confident we will finish in top 8

wanna say few things there

[brucey]

47 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

I got the impression Drinkwater was sulking anyway even before the Chelsea business. He was playing very negatively and always seemed angry, not sure why. He doesn't seem to have been happy for some time.

 

I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that he wasn't playing well since about November 16, and was heavily criticised here, so it might not have made as much difference keeping him as many are now implying.

Seemed to me that he was angry at having to carry the midfield for the first few weeks of the 16/17 season. I remember he then got linked to Man U in the week before we got tonked by them 4-1 in Sept and there was some speculation that his head was turned then. But he really went downhill since his backpass error on 6 Nov and never recovered. Drinky also played worse than James in this 17/18 preseason so who's to say he wouldn't have carried on playing like that anyway. I think we've missed James the past few weeks, hope he's back soon.

[Pete from the USA]

Well, here's a plot twist: It turns out LCFC submitted the documents before the deadline, and can prove this with data logs. But there was a delay in the transmission being received by FIFA, causing the files to arrive 14 sec "late":

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-consider-taking-fifa-579412

 

So, by the letter of the law, LCFC did everything right, and FIFA are just being assholes.

 

If this were Man United, would they be treated the same way? For some reason I doubt it.

 

[Chrysalis]

Sorry if this has already been said (can’t read through 13 pages), but would this be the case if it was a big club like Man U, Arsenal or Real Madrid?

these kind of posts are annoying me, they popping up every day its irrelevant, only thing relevant is we were late, people working really hard to blame fifa instead of lcfc

 

[Chrysalis]

Correct decision.
 
Like it or not it was 14 seconds late, end of.
 
All the ‘common sense’ arguments, rules are rules, the line has to be drawn, if Silva went on to score a goal sending someone down, keeping us up or changing where the title was going what a can of worms that’d open. 
 
To put another way if the ball wasn’t 100%, completely over the line, 14mm for example, it wouldn’t be given, simple as that.
 
Someone is in the wrong, whether it be from our club or Sportings side but there now needs to be an internal enquiry, pinpoint who are at fault and the way we conduct our business, even if the fault is at Spirting side the way we conduct our business needs to be looked at and changed.
 
People at our club need a rocket up their arses, we need to upgrade and overhaul.
 
Transfer window after transfer window we are embroiled in some kind of saga.
 
I’m frustrated and can’t be annoyed with FIFA, I understand their decision, I’m taking a step back, looking at the bigger picture and it keeps leading me back to the same area.

great post of course the first step is for the club to accept we fuched up then of course the inquiry, seems we not made the first step yet

[Chrysalis]

I don't believe the training ban has anything to do with FIFA , my hunch is that this is the idea of the club lawyers in order to leave us the armaggedon option of litigation against Sporting and refusing to pay the transfer fee.
Whether this is correct will very soon become clear and could make the present furore seem like a squabble at a toddlers day nursery .The honourable thing to do is get him training with the lads and organise a series of closed door games to fill the three months until we can sign him properly and he can hit the ground running in January .
In the meantime, if we have reasonable grounds for an appeal to the CoS , we can get on with that as well. 

the lawyer and training bit i agree on, further appealing tho is a waste of resources

[Chrysalis]

Forget selling Drinkwater, it had to happen especially after his transfer request. The big mistake here (other than the obvious) was letting Mendy go on loan when he would be starting games at the minute.

im confused why did it have to happen? was a clause triggered?

[suffolk fox]

Keep reading on here things like Silva can train and perhaps play for the U23s?  The way I am reading it is he cant do any of these things until January.  Silva is left in limbo, I bet he regrets making the decision to leave Sporting for us.

[st albans fox]

39 minutes ago, suffolk fox said:

Keep reading on here things like Silva can train and perhaps play for the U23s?  The way I am reading it is he cant do any of these things until January.  Silva is left in limbo, I bet he regrets making the decision to leave Sporting for us.

My take would be that he can only play competitive domestic football which is under the control of the Portuguese fa as his international clearance remains with them. 

 

 I would think he can play in friendlies. 

 

6 hours ago, sm1 said:

From what i gather we were offered 32M for DD, the morning of the transfer deadline. We wanted 35M which then delayed the deal until late evening. This lead to the Silva deal getting delayed and even though we requested an extra 2 hours, we still couldn't complete on time. Considering how much money is at stake regarding PL positions or god forbid relegation, that extra 3M which lead to this fiasco could end up being very costly.

I thought We were offered 25m and We offered SCP 15m. At some point on deadline day Chelsea upped their offer sufficiently to allow us to meet SCP valuation. There was apparently a disagreement with SCP over a few hundred thousand euros that they shoved into the deal late on but we showed naivety by sailing as close to the deadline as we did on an international deal. For all we know Chelsea were as late as we were but because the deal didn't require int clearance it's not a problem. The story is that Arsenal had an agreement to take Lemar and move alexis onto Man City but chose not to do the deal because they weren't convinced there was enough time left shows that clubs do make these type decisions.  

 

we lack experience - I'm pretty sure that the comms base will be moved at belvoir drive to be in a more convenient place so that there is no need to drive backwards and forward to it. That must have taken longer than 14 seconds!!!

 

and finally, it seems that our appeal was based on the fact that we complied with the regs and it was fifa's system that received some docs after the deadline (and there is a grey area re transmission/receipt).  In retrospect perhaps we would have been better pursuing an appeal based on the player and his welfare, pointing out that there was no intention by any party to the deal to deceive the rules and it would be the player suffering more than the clubs if his registration remained in Portugal. Trying to lay the blame on fifa's system/grey areas in their rules may have backfired. 

[mozartfox]

7 hours ago, Phube said:

You know what's weird about that statement; the fact that on Leicester City's own official statement it says "A Leicester City spokesman said..."!

 

Isn't that the third person perspective? Who is this'spokesman'?

You make a very valid point.  I think this just demonstrates further, that in line with virtually all of the Club's infrastructure, the Communications Team cannot even craft a correctly worded statement. This release was probably designed for distribution to third party press agencies and not the 'Club' website.  Muppets.

[justfoxes]

This is quite an interesting read don’t know if anyone on here has any law qualification or knowledge on law bud there are some subsections on here which are quite interesting regardingbplayers welfare etc ??

 

 

Or can find anything remotely to our favour in this list, but I did have to smile when I came across the bribery and corruption legislation as I almost thought I’d find the correct brown envelope dimensions fo bungs ????

 

http://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/official-documents/law-regulations/index.html

[weller54]

5 minutes ago, justfoxes said:

This is quite an interesting read don’t know if anyone on here has any law qualification or knowledge on law bud there are some subsections on here which are quite interesting regardingbplayers welfare etc ??

 

I passed my 11 plus in 'hard sums' if that helps? 

[somebum]

5 hours ago, Pete from the USA said:

Well, here's a plot twist: It turns out LCFC submitted the documents before the deadline, and can prove this with data logs. But there was a delay in the transmission being received by FIFA, causing the files to arrive 14 sec "late":

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-consider-taking-fifa-579412

 

So, by the letter of the law, LCFC did everything right, and FIFA are just being assholes.

 

If this were Man United, would they be treated the same way? For some reason I doubt it.

 

Should have sent it at least an hour beforehand