FIFA reject Adrien Silva appeal

[The whole world smiles]

4 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

im confused why did it have to happen? was a clause triggered?

Ok I didn't have to happen it was a turn of phrase but it was the common sense move for all parties.  

 

Chelsea are a bigger club with better players, in the champions league who could pay him more than us. He has already been here for 6 seasons and is not getting any younger this was realistically his last chance at a big move. And Danny had handed in a transfer request. Also from our point of view his form had dipped dramatically and we were getting a fantastic price for him. Would have been a disaster to try and keep him I think.

 

Where as Mendy had been here a season and went to Metz on loan. Club could have easily told him he has to stay till Jan and no one would have batted an eyelid. 

[Livid]

It has been obvious we needed something extra in CM for a long time.

 

We were chasing Silva for two or three transfer windows, he should have been in regardless of Drinkwater leaving.

 

There are some areas of the club that need a complete overhaul. 

[yorkie1999]

36 minutes ago, Livid said:

It has been obvious we needed something extra in CM for a long time.

 

We were chasing Silva for two or three transfer windows, he should have been in regardless of Drinkwater leaving.

 

There are some areas of the club that need a complete overhaul. 

What if, because of FFP, we needed the money from selling drinkwater to be able to buy silva.

[davieG]

LCFC 

 

Going For Gold

 

They couldn't even get Silva.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, somebum said:

Should have sent it at least an hour beforehand 

But both Chelsea and Sporting were playing silly beggars and our staff are notoriously poor at stuff like this, the fact we have irrefutable proof we met FIFA's criteria and they've still rejected it is disgraceful. I am one of our clubs biggest critics in the way we are ran but rules are rules and if we've met them and it's still been thrown out then FIFA have excelled themselves yet again. You can say we shouldn't have put ourselves in this position which is true but it is what it is on deadline day (a blood bath) and if we thought it was all sound and the FA were happy then Drinkwater finally going was the correct decision, just a complete mess all this is.

 

 

[chapero82]

20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

What if, because of FFP, we needed the money from selling drinkwater to be able to buy silva.

If that is the case then why did we bid 40 million for another player then? 

[Burleyfox]

I just don't get it. How can a huge business like LCFC not have in place an

immediate plan of action in the event of FIFA rejection of their appeal? We

should have launched an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport the

second the FIFA ruling came out, and furthermore issued legal proceedings

against FIFA  to sue for our financial losses.

 

We look what we are - a bunch of useless amateurs in the business field!!

[TheUltimateWinner]

Considering we spent a month scratching our heads wondering what to do after we initially got told no I fully expect us to waste our time again scratching our heads wondering what to do until January 

 

Pure incompetence all round

[Nick]

1 hour ago, somebum said:

Should have sent it at least an hour beforehand 

They didn't have an hour - they had minutes.

[mozartfox]

21 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

But both Chelsea and Sporting were playing silly beggars and our staff are notoriously poor at stuff like this, the fact we have irrefutable proof we met FIFA's criteria and they've still rejected it is disgraceful. I am one of our clubs biggest critics in the way we are ran but rules are rules and if we've met them and it's still been thrown out then FIFA have excelled themselves yet again. You can say we shouldn't have put ourselves in this position which is true but it is what it is on deadline day (a blood bath) and if we thought it was all sound and the FA were happy then Drinkwater finally going was the correct decision, just a complete mess all this is.

 

 

FIFA are arrogant we know, but I cannot see how they reject an appeal if we 'allegedly' did everything in line with their rules.  The facts are being twisted here. 

 

Now I hope someone in the media checks and gets to the bottom of this.   After which the stewards can begin if deemed appropriate, or the F.A. and LCFC take FIFA on in the court of Sport and Arbitration.     When peoples Jobs are on the line, they sometimes take on a position of innocence thinking their screw up will not be discovered.......

[yorkie1999]

24 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

If that is the case then why did we bid 40 million for another player then? 

Don't know, maybe we could have bought Sigurdsson in installments or something

[Babylon]

30 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

If that is the case then why did we bid 40 million for another player then? 

We don't know for sure we did, the ITK's on here if you want to call them that reckon we didn't even bid. PLus, bidding and buying are two different things.

[foxinsocks]

well, this is a pickle.. and yet given our midfield situation it is critical for us to sort this out asap.

 

The gloves should come off now.

 

My own belief is that Silva as an EU citizen has a right to work here and that is being obstructed by FIFA (and FA) - he should immediately seek an injunction (in london or eu) to prevent this issue form holding up his employment and until the whole case can be resolved (by agreement or Law).    THIS IS THE FASTEST WAY OF GETTING HIM PLAYING

 

If the club have proof of their compliance they should now publish it so that pressure can be put on the FA and FIFA, Journo's should persue the FA for any sh1t that stick to them - they are a chaotic organisation.  The deadline was imposed by them and yet they are unable influence FIFAs interpretation. 

 

I believe the club should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss (to recover legals fees and the player wages ongoing until this is resolved)  THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

I believe the Silva should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss to his brand/image rights and sponsor ship - factoring in potential damage to his international career THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

[mozartfox]

8 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

well, this is a pickle.. and yet given our midfield situation it is critical for us to sort this out asap.

 

The gloves should come off now.

 

My own belief is that Silva as an EU citizen has a right to work here and that is being obstructed by FIFA (and FA) - he should immediate seek an injunction (in london or eu) to prevent this issue form holding up his employment and until the whole case can be resolved (by agreement or Law).    THIS IS THE FASTEST WAY OF GETTING HIM PLAYING

 

If the club have proof of their compliance they should now publish it so that pressure can be put on the FA and FIFA, Journo's should persue the FA of any sh1t that stick to them - they are a chaotic organisation.  The deadline was imposed by them and yet they are unable influence FIFAs interpretation. 

 

I believe the club should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss (to recover legals fees and the player wages ongoing until this is resolved)  THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

I believe the Silva should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss tto his brand/image rights and sponsor ship - factoring in potential damage to his international career THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

Excellent post.  LCFC need people just like you!

[simon789us]

Can someone tell me why he's not allowed to train with us but costa can train with athletico 

[st albans fox]

19 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

well, this is a pickle.. and yet given our midfield situation it is critical for us to sort this out asap.

 

The gloves should come off now.

 

My own belief is that Silva as an EU citizen has a right to work here and that is being obstructed by FIFA (and FA) - he should immediate seek an injunction (in london or eu) to prevent this issue form holding up his employment and until the whole case can be resolved (by agreement or Law).    THIS IS THE FASTEST WAY OF GETTING HIM PLAYING

 

If the club have proof of their compliance they should now publish it so that pressure can be put on the FA and FIFA, Journo's should persue the FA of any sh1t that stick to them - they are a chaotic organisation.  The deadline was imposed by them and yet they are unable influence FIFAs interpretation. 

 

I believe the club should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss (to recover legals fees and the player wages ongoing until this is resolved)  THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

I believe the Silva should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss tto his brand/image rights and sponsor ship - factoring in potential damage to his international career THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

at the moment all we have is words (mainly via tanner)

 

if the club are are completely confident of their position then they will open a case at CAS as in the event that we are relegated, we could bring a negligence case against FIFA (think Tevez - West Ham - sheff utd). Doesn't matter if it is heard before January - I think we have reserved the right to being a case and if we are wallowing around and about the relegation zone come December you will see a case brought. 

 

In the event that relegation looks a possibility and we don't start proceedings at CAS - then it's doubtful we actually do have a strong case.

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, simon789us said:

Can someone tell me why he's not allowed to train with us but costa can train with athletico 

He is now - read last nights posts 

[somebum]

1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said:

They didn't have an hour - they had minutes.

Excuses excuses

[Realist Guy In The Room]

53 minutes ago, Babylon said:

We don't know for sure we did, the ITK's on here if you want to call them that reckon we didn't even bid. PLus, bidding and buying are two different things.

Exactly.  I'm sure I read that we enquired about the player stating what we'd be willing to pay in fee and wages and were told he wasnt interested.

 

So not at all a bid, just an enquiry.

[sylofox]

Do the bookies do odds on the first club to sign a player in January?

[katieakita]

49 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

well, this is a pickle.. and yet given our midfield situation it is critical for us to sort this out asap.

 

The gloves should come off now.

 

My own belief is that Silva as an EU citizen has a right to work here and that is being obstructed by FIFA (and FA) - he should immediate seek an injunction (in london or eu) to prevent this issue form holding up his employment and until the whole case can be resolved (by agreement or Law).    THIS IS THE FASTEST WAY OF GETTING HIM PLAYING

 

If the club have proof of their compliance they should now publish it so that pressure can be put on the FA and FIFA, Journo's should persue the FA of any sh1t that stick to them - they are a chaotic organisation.  The deadline was imposed by them and yet they are unable influence FIFAs interpretation. 

 

I believe the club should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss (to recover legals fees and the player wages ongoing until this is resolved)  THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

I believe the Silva should immediately commence action against FIFA and FA for loss tto his brand/image rights and sponsor ship - factoring in potential damage to his international career THIS WILL PUT PRESSURE ON FIFA

Common sense, just something does not make sense, if as we claim we have complied bring it out into the open, as an EU citizen he has rights to go about his business earning a wage. The mans career is being harmed for something which was not his fault. As for Football bite an opposition player be involved in match fixing  they are not as bad as someone sending a form in a few seconds late allegedly nobody comes out of this at the moment with any credit and for those saying they are only following rules well they need to be looked at as it makes football look pathetic. If he played for any other team we would be saying what a harsh penalty has been handed done to him absolutely crazy.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

21 hours ago, AjcW said:

You know who I've never understood, people who are fans being able to be journalists covering their club.

There's no way on earth i'd be able to sit in the next press conference as a journo and not say 'why hasn't rudkin been sacked' 'why have you not released a statement' etc etc...

 

It's something i've always wondered, especially with England, you never see any journos actually criticise in the way they do on twitter or in their columns. 

 

I know that journo would then get banned but I just don't understand how you can be composed enough not to speak up if you're a fan and your club has massively messed up  

 

@UpTheLeagueFox have you ever been tempted to say something? Or actually pose a challenging question? Rather than the usual 'so looking forward to the next game craig' 'what the injury news craig' (this isn't a personal criticism by the way i'm just genuinely intrigued!) 

There's always a balance to be struck as a football journalist (and I pointedly make the distinction between football and, say, politics), to ask probing questions but not to come across as rude. I'm sure in this case CS is unaware who is the 'guilty party' at LCFC and to be honest he's hardly going to hang one of his seniors out to dry. Maybe no-one at LCFC is actually to 'blame' over the Silva situation and the 'fault' is at the FA or FIFA's end. It's easy to point he finger at Rudkin - he may or may not have overseen the key bits of the deal, I don't know - so why would you call for his sacking as a journalist if you don't know the truth? I suspect they didn't release a statement sooner because they were doing things softly, softly in the background to try and get everything in order for the appeal. It's very easy for fans to say: "Why didn't journalists ask this and that?" It's not always as simple as that.

 

That all said, the Silva thing is a bloody mess, whoever is at fault (LCFC, FA, FIFA etc) and the player himself loses out massively.

 

While I accept 'rules are rules' I also think someone at FA / FIFA could've easily used a bit of common sense re the 14 seconds. They wouldn't even have to have made it public. It does feel like we're being hung out to dry by FIFA, them making an example of us.

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, sylofox said:

Do the bookies do odds on the first club to sign a player in January?

Saying that the way we move we will fvck it up. My money is on him being registered 18/01/2019.

[foxinsocks]

5 minutes ago, katieakita said:

Common sense, just something does not make sense, if as we claim we have complied bring it out into the open, as an EU citizen he has rights to go about his business earning a wage. The mans career is being harmed for something which was not his fault. As for Football bite an opposition player be involved in match fixing  they are not as bad as someone sending a form in a few seconds late allegedly nobody comes out of this at the moment with any credit and for those saying they are only following rules well they need to be looked at as it makes football look pathetic. If he played for any other team we would be saying what a harsh penalty has been handed done to him absolutely crazy.

Even if we were completely liable we would then have a case to argue re the reasonableness of the judgement and the proportionality of the sanction

[katieakita]

8 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Even if we were completely liable we would then have a case to argue re the reasonableness of the judgement and the proportionality of the sanction

Indeed a penalty clause of this magnitude would be nigh Impossible to justify unless of course FIFA and the FA follow the Red Hand rule and we managed to mess that up.