David Wagner

[BenTheFox]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

it'll be funny as hell

I'm sold. WAGNER IN!

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Riskier appointment but I'd take him over Puel who has clearly lost the players and fans.

 

I like that Wagner has a great relationship with both fan and players - this is where Puel has come unstuck. He's also young and the sort of manager that could help build a core and new way of doing things over the next few years. I could see him doing well here.

 

In terms of names we are being linked with, Benitez would make me feel the most secure. Our current form is relegation material and as West Brom, Stoke and Southampton have proved this season, you can go from "established" to relegation in the blink of an eye. Benitez has only ever done a "poor" job at the most elite of clubs like Real Madrid and Inter Milan. His two La  Liga titles and a Champions League (and another final) put him comfortably ahead of anyone else. Wagner and Silva I think would be better than Puel, but there would always be the element of the unknown about them. And as proven this season, if results were poor, the crowd could turn against them. I really don't want to go through another relegation battle!

Whilst I think you're right regarding a warm secure type of feeling with Benetez, he's not for me. Undoubtedly he's done a good job with Newcastle and when they came to us they looked very well organised.

 

You've mentioned his relatively poor jobs where in actual fact the fans wanted rid of him just like, lest not forget the Liverpool fans did at the time. His teams are well organised but defensive and uninspiring. His forays into the transfer market with Liverpool also, with the exception of Torres , a no brainer for any manager at the time, were largely poor when you compare who he let go (like Alonso) compared with who he bought in. He squandered millions on Spanish youth players who never remotely nearly made it. The Champions league win,  with Houlliers team was hardly down to him and his poor first half tactics! Ex players from those days have come out and spoke of how dispised he was.

 

Don't know enough about Wagner to comment really but if like Klopp he favours an attacking pressing game like Dortmund then I'm in. We hadn't the players to continue our old ways but a combination of that with a plausible slightly more posession based plan b is achievable with the sale of some ill bought ill suitable players for more targeted specific position based individuals. We also need rid of some of the wannabe mouthy manager players who think they know best. Wether Wagner or Silva are capable of that would be risky though arguably Benetez would be tougher. Those who mention Dyche are deluded I feel, why after several years at the helm of a respectful good performing team who have just got into Europe, would he leave for a team in disarray with mouthy players who have a record of sacking managers at the drop of a hat?

 

[Kasey Keller]

Gerrimin.

[Terrier armchair fan]

7 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

I'm not saying he's a bad manager, like Warnock isn't a bad manager, but because he is Klopps best mate people think his teams play the same way. In reality they are a shithouse team like Burnley and got promoted with a negative goal difference.

Hi Town fan here, been interesting so far with peoples opinions about Wagner, so I thought you would like a Town fans point of view. Because of ill health I don't get to matches, but have family who give us a full reports.

 

When he first came, we had struggled in the championship since the last promotion, I think 17th was the highest we had been. The fans was sick of the football we were playing boring and negative and we were losing fans yearly. He started us playing attractive football and although the results didn't improve straight away, the fans were loving the entertainment and in the end we had no real danger of going down with him. Then he brought in around 10 to 12 players, either cheap[ record transfer was £1.8 mil] or free transfers in pre-season, gelled them and got us promoted with the fifth smallest budget, playing heavy metal type of football. I note some say about the negative goal difference, last few matches we didn't really play to win as the play offs was achieved, plus being stuffed by Fulham by five twice. He had the team playing well above themselves apart from some matches]. This season I agree we have been a little bit boring, but we can and have played well this season. Although we did spend some money this year, we still have players who played in league one for us as well, and I think only two of our players had any experience of the Premier league, It's a big step up for such a small club and impossible to try play the sort of football  that Wagner would  want to play.

 

With better players and a better squad[ which yours is], I think he could get you playing the type of football you want. He likes to play similar to Klopp, high pressing and energy, but at the moment he has to work with what he has and he has done amazingly to still have a chance of keeping us up.

 

Interestingly I note some posters have said about the player power at Leicester. They certainly wouldn't like his training methods, but so far it has worked for us.

 

To be honest and I'm not knocking Leicester, but I don't think he would want to go to you[ although you are a bigger club}. As someone pointed out Dyce, Howe and Wagner have a certain amount of control within their clubs. He wouldn't get it at your club, plus he has stayed loyal to us[ might not if we are relegated], when Aston Villa and Wolfsburg came calling.

 

 

[Happy Fox]

11 minutes ago, Terrier armchair fan said:

Hi Town fan here, been interesting so far with peoples opinions about Wagner, so I thought you would like a Town fans point of view. Because of ill health I don't get to matches, but have family who give us a full reports.

 

When he first came, we had struggled in the championship since the last promotion, I think 17th was the highest we had been. The fans was sick of the football we were playing boring and negative and we were losing fans yearly. He started us playing attractive football and although the results didn't improve straight away, the fans were loving the entertainment and in the end we had no real danger of going down with him. Then he brought in around 10 to 12 players, either cheap[ record transfer was £1.8 mil] or free transfers in pre-season, gelled them and got us promoted with the fifth smallest budget, playing heavy metal type of football. I note some say about the negative goal difference, last few matches we didn't really play to win as the play offs was achieved, plus being stuffed by Fulham by five twice. He had the team playing well above themselves apart from some matches]. This season I agree we have been a little bit boring, but we can and have played well this season. Although we did spend some money this year, we still have players who played in league one for us as well, and I think only two of our players had any experience of the Premier league, It's a big step up for such a small club and impossible to try play the sort of football  that Wagner would  want to play.

 

With better players and a better squad[ which yours is], I think he could get you playing the type of football you want. He likes to play similar to Klopp, high pressing and energy, but at the moment he has to work with what he has and he has done amazingly to still have a chance of keeping us up.

 

Interestingly I note some posters have said about the player power at Leicester. They certainly wouldn't like his training methods, but so far it has worked for us.

 

To be honest and I'm not knocking Leicester, but I don't think he would want to go to you[ although you are a bigger club}. As someone pointed out Dyce, Howe and Wagner have a certain amount of control within their clubs. He wouldn't get it at your club, plus he has stayed loyal to us[ might not if we are relegated], when Aston Villa and Wolfsburg came calling.

 

 

 

It has been reported that our training has lacked intensity so if Wagner can bring us that and translate that into match action I think we would do very well. 

[Matt]

16 minutes ago, Terrier armchair fan said:

Hi Town fan here, been interesting so far with peoples opinions about Wagner, so I thought you would like a Town fans point of view. Because of ill health I don't get to matches, but have family who give us a full reports.

 

When he first came, we had struggled in the championship since the last promotion, I think 17th was the highest we had been. The fans was sick of the football we were playing boring and negative and we were losing fans yearly. He started us playing attractive football and although the results didn't improve straight away, the fans were loving the entertainment and in the end we had no real danger of going down with him. Then he brought in around 10 to 12 players, either cheap[ record transfer was £1.8 mil] or free transfers in pre-season, gelled them and got us promoted with the fifth smallest budget, playing heavy metal type of football. I note some say about the negative goal difference, last few matches we didn't really play to win as the play offs was achieved, plus being stuffed by Fulham by five twice. He had the team playing well above themselves apart from some matches]. This season I agree we have been a little bit boring, but we can and have played well this season. Although we did spend some money this year, we still have players who played in league one for us as well, and I think only two of our players had any experience of the Premier league, It's a big step up for such a small club and impossible to try play the sort of football  that Wagner would  want to play.

 

With better players and a better squad[ which yours is], I think he could get you playing the type of football you want. He likes to play similar to Klopp, high pressing and energy, but at the moment he has to work with what he has and he has done amazingly to still have a chance of keeping us up.

 

Interestingly I note some posters have said about the player power at Leicester. They certainly wouldn't like his training methods, but so far it has worked for us.

 

To be honest and I'm not knocking Leicester, but I don't think he would want to go to you[ although you are a bigger club}. As someone pointed out Dyce, Howe and Wagner have a certain amount of control within their clubs. He wouldn't get it at your club, plus he has stayed loyal to us[ might not if we are relegated], when Aston Villa and Wolfsburg came calling.

 

 

Thanks.

 

So I take it he works players hard, discipline whilst keeping players on side in a similar way to Pearson.

 

IMO the talk of player power (if there actually is any) comes from them not being kept in line, a degree of discipline, whilst being respected, being worked hard, it keeps them closer together. 

 

You would assume opposite but I think everything I’ve described above actually works for them and they like that - from what I can gather they’re getting very little of what I have described at the moment.

 

So if what I’m assuming you’re alluding to, I think the players would get on very well with his training methods.

Edited 7 May 2018 by Matt

[Albert]

4 hours ago, Babylon said:

Top 10... with the likes of Watford and Palace. Not really "spending what it takes". They want top 6 they need to spend top 6 money.

 

Let's not forget a lot of that £100m was debt they added to the club in the first place. Add in interest payments they've received etc and it's not what people perhaps think.

 

Its no slight on them, they have been fantastic for us. But their mantra since getting in the prem had been about being self sustained. 

 

Our budget is and has been limited by what we earn, they have been no signs of them actually spending what we'd need to to compete regularly in those positions.

Taking the obvious big guns out the equation we are up there as the biggest spenders and offer wages that anyone outside the top 6 won’t match. We’ve made obvious mistakes on some transfers but putting £25m+ on the table along with big contracts for the likes of Slimani, Nacho, Silva etc shows the owners will spend 

[norwichfox]

6 hours ago, nettle said:

He's decent mate we need a fresh approach what don't you like about him?

He's unproven, his team has a terrible scoring record. We need an experienced manager capable of taking us by the scruff of the neck and sorting out the apathy epidemic. Will certainly be someone who can rustle a few feathers and I think we'll see that from Puel during the transfer window, should he still be here. Why would we chase a target that turned us down purely to demonstrate his capability of keeping a poor team hovering just above relegation. We deserve better than that.

The thing that keeps going through my mind is that if Rudkin keeps employing management that deflects the attention from his own shortfalls.

[The Horse's Mouth]

End of the day, the idea we're an attractive proposition for any manager at the minute is illfounded. We're off the back of one of the most remarkable accomplishments in English football and still have a lot of those players on our books, many of whom you would say are probably past it. It's hard to just shift out these players, due to not only their status within our club but in the context of football as a whole. The manager who comes in, basically as to get the clique on side while slowly but surely regaining power of the football club, which is a big ask really for a club of our station. The idea, Rafa, Wagner or even Dyche for that matter would leave their comfort zone to prove it at us is just beyond deluded, we're bigger clubs no doubt (probably not bigger than Newcastle tbf) but we're not big enough to have a manager take a risk on his reputation really. It'll probably remain like that until the majority of our title winning squad have retired

[Foxxed]

I really wanted him before. But after sacking Claudio, Craig and potentially Claude with reports of player unrest here we'd need to reassure him we won't easily sack him (which would be laughable looking at our past) and that there'd be no player-manager power struggle (which would take some doing...). It would be incredibly difficult, especially since if Huddersfield survive they'll only improve next season.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Terrier armchair fan said:

Hi Town fan here, been interesting so far with peoples opinions about Wagner, so I thought you would like a Town fans point of view. Because of ill health I don't get to matches, but have family who give us a full reports.

 

When he first came, we had struggled in the championship since the last promotion, I think 17th was the highest we had been. The fans was sick of the football we were playing boring and negative and we were losing fans yearly. He started us playing attractive football and although the results didn't improve straight away, the fans were loving the entertainment and in the end we had no real danger of going down with him. Then he brought in around 10 to 12 players, either cheap[ record transfer was £1.8 mil] or free transfers in pre-season, gelled them and got us promoted with the fifth smallest budget, playing heavy metal type of football. I note some say about the negative goal difference, last few matches we didn't really play to win as the play offs was achieved, plus being stuffed by Fulham by five twice. He had the team playing well above themselves apart from some matches]. This season I agree we have been a little bit boring, but we can and have played well this season. Although we did spend some money this year, we still have players who played in league one for us as well, and I think only two of our players had any experience of the Premier league, It's a big step up for such a small club and impossible to try play the sort of football  that Wagner would  want to play.

 

With better players and a better squad[ which yours is], I think he could get you playing the type of football you want. He likes to play similar to Klopp, high pressing and energy, but at the moment he has to work with what he has and he has done amazingly to still have a chance of keeping us up.

 

Interestingly I note some posters have said about the player power at Leicester. They certainly wouldn't like his training methods, but so far it has worked for us.

 

To be honest and I'm not knocking Leicester, but I don't think he would want to go to you[ although you are a bigger club}. As someone pointed out Dyce, Howe and Wagner have a certain amount of control within their clubs. He wouldn't get it at your club, plus he has stayed loyal to us[ might not if we are relegated], when Aston Villa and Wolfsburg came calling.

 

 

Yep, this is the problem we've got. An inexperienced DOF that is highly trusted by the owners. We won't get in managers that want it their way. I have absolutely no faith in our club at all.

 

Congrats on staying up btw. Wagner has done superb to get you into the division let alone keep you up. I don't mind Huddersfield, you seem a nice well-run club and it's a great away day.

[l444ry]

Open minded about Wagner myself. But find it funny that some don't give him credit for achieving what Pearson did in half the time and with half the resources. 

Edited 7 May 2018 by l444ry

[4everfox]

6 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Fair

Firstly, it's impossible to fluke anything that is decided by 20 teams each playing 3500 minutes of football, you win that, it's because you're the best. Personally I think it's a fluke to finish 5th and still be one of only three teams to get promoted to the Premier League. But I don't suppose the Huddersfield fans will want to talk about that. 

 

Secondly, we have billionaire owners that are willing to put their money where their mouth is, we are building a stadium expansion (our stadium is already bigger than Huddersfields) and a state of the art training complex that will be amongst the best on the planet. There is genuinely only six clubs in England with better squads than ours, about twenty in total on the planet. And we won the Premier League title two seasons ago because we were the best. The optimism displayed by Leicester's fans is completely justified. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Terrier armchair fan said:

Hi Town fan here, been interesting so far with peoples opinions about Wagner, so I thought you would like a Town fans point of view. Because of ill health I don't get to matches, but have family who give us a full reports.

 

When he first came, we had struggled in the championship since the last promotion, I think 17th was the highest we had been. The fans was sick of the football we were playing boring and negative and we were losing fans yearly. He started us playing attractive football and although the results didn't improve straight away, the fans were loving the entertainment and in the end we had no real danger of going down with him. Then he brought in around 10 to 12 players, either cheap[ record transfer was £1.8 mil] or free transfers in pre-season, gelled them and got us promoted with the fifth smallest budget, playing heavy metal type of football. I note some say about the negative goal difference, last few matches we didn't really play to win as the play offs was achieved, plus being stuffed by Fulham by five twice. He had the team playing well above themselves apart from some matches]. This season I agree we have been a little bit boring, but we can and have played well this season. Although we did spend some money this year, we still have players who played in league one for us as well, and I think only two of our players had any experience of the Premier league, It's a big step up for such a small club and impossible to try play the sort of football  that Wagner would  want to play.

 

With better players and a better squad[ which yours is], I think he could get you playing the type of football you want. He likes to play similar to Klopp, high pressing and energy, but at the moment he has to work with what he has and he has done amazingly to still have a chance of keeping us up.

 

Interestingly I note some posters have said about the player power at Leicester. They certainly wouldn't like his training methods, but so far it has worked for us.

 

To be honest and I'm not knocking Leicester, but I don't think he would want to go to you[ although you are a bigger club}. As someone pointed out Dyce, Howe and Wagner have a certain amount of control within their clubs. He wouldn't get it at your club, plus he has stayed loyal to us[ might not if we are relegated], when Aston Villa and Wolfsburg came calling.

 

 

I think that's a very reasoned response and with what little knowledge I have would go with all of that. I saw Huddersfield a couple of times the year they were promoted and liked what I saw and was very pleased when they got up. We above all clubs should know what that first season is like. We scraped through but in great fashion. Wagner this season has had to play in a way comensurate with the players he has because to do otherwise would be suicide. I wish Huddersfield well, they remind me of us and really want them to stay up. With more money and a few buys I predict just below mid table for them next year with Wagner. 

[coolhandfox]

Money talks, ofter him enough of a transfer budget and wages, he’ll more than likely come.

 

No manager gets total free reign even wenger and fergie had to work within a framework.

 

Everyone talks as if Rudkin choose the players, more than likely the manager give him a wish list and he goes about securing them with in a budget.

[klrice]

Rafa  Benitez would good manger for the foxes 

[VLC86]

13 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

Firstly, it's impossible to fluke anything that is decided by 20 teams each playing 3500 minutes of football, you win that, it's because you're the best. Personally I think it's a fluke to finish 5th and still be one of only three teams to get promoted to the Premier League. But I don't suppose the Huddersfield fans will want to talk about that. 

 

Secondly, we have billionaire owners that are willing to put their money where their mouth is, we are building a stadium expansion (our stadium is already bigger than Huddersfields) and a state of the art training complex that will be amongst the best on the planet. There is genuinely only six clubs in England with better squads than ours, about twenty in total on the planet. And we won the Premier League title two seasons ago because we were the best. The optimism displayed by Leicester's fans is completely justified. 

Wow, relax. You have to admit it’s a fluke season if the team that was done and dusted for relegation with barely any games to go the season before goes on to win the league by 10 points. 

 

And I will happily admit that that season has clouded my expectations and the poll on Puel suggests I’m not the only one.

[Foxxed]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Money talks, ofter him enough of a transfer budget and wages, he’ll more than likely come.

 

No manager gets total free reign even wenger and fergie had to work within a framework.

 

Everyone talks as if Rudkin choose the players, more than likely the manager give him a wish list and he goes about securing them with in a budget.

I'm worried about the answer, to the point where I already regret asking, but what's our framework? It's not play fast counter attacking football. It's not play possession football with the right players for that tactic. It's not just keep us in the premier league (if we sack Puel before we're in the relegation zone). All I can come up with is: ensure your son doesn't racially abuse a Thai prostitute. And to be fair from what I can see Puel's definitely stayed within that framework.

[Fox92]

17 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

Firstly, it's impossible to fluke anything that is decided by 20 teams each playing 3500 minutes of football, you win that, it's because you're the best. Personally I think it's a fluke to finish 5th and still be one of only three teams to get promoted to the Premier League. But I don't suppose the Huddersfield fans will want to talk about that. 

 

Secondly, we have billionaire owners that are willing to put their money where their mouth is, we are building a stadium expansion (our stadium is already bigger than Huddersfields) and a state of the art training complex that will be amongst the best on the planet. There is genuinely only six clubs in England with better squads than ours, about twenty in total on the planet. And we won the Premier League title two seasons ago because we were the best. The optimism displayed by Leicester's fans is completely justified. 

Chill out man. And Leicester is a City, Huddersfield is a town so of course we're going to have a bigger attendance / ground.

 

Billionaire owners means fvck all if they can't get it all right at the top. And I don't think it is right. Our problem is way bigger than constantly sacking the manager.

[4everfox]

6 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Nonsense.

 

We have no bigger problem now or for the future of the club than the incumbent manager.

 

Virtually none of the players we currently ‘own’ believe in him or his methods.

 

If he stays the better players we have will leave.

 

Yes, Rudkin is a problem and should be moved on, but if Puel’s stays we will do very well to stay in this division next season.

The owners will always have the ace up the sleeve Pearson card to play to save us if ever required too. They know the players love him and will just perform to their potential for him, because that alone is enough for us to stay up comfortably with these players. That's my theory on why they got him in as manager at what is effectively our feeder club anyway, he'll always be there for a short term fix if our manager is doing crap in February/March. 

[murphy]

2 hours ago, Terrier armchair fan said:

Hi Town fan here, been interesting so far with peoples opinions about Wagner, so I thought you would like a Town fans point of view. Because of ill health I don't get to matches, but have family who give us a full reports.

 

When he first came, we had struggled in the championship since the last promotion, I think 17th was the highest we had been. The fans was sick of the football we were playing boring and negative and we were losing fans yearly. He started us playing attractive football and although the results didn't improve straight away, the fans were loving the entertainment and in the end we had no real danger of going down with him. Then he brought in around 10 to 12 players, either cheap[ record transfer was £1.8 mil] or free transfers in pre-season, gelled them and got us promoted with the fifth smallest budget, playing heavy metal type of football. I note some say about the negative goal difference, last few matches we didn't really play to win as the play offs was achieved, plus being stuffed by Fulham by five twice. He had the team playing well above themselves apart from some matches]. This season I agree we have been a little bit boring, but we can and have played well this season. Although we did spend some money this year, we still have players who played in league one for us as well, and I think only two of our players had any experience of the Premier league, It's a big step up for such a small club and impossible to try play the sort of football  that Wagner would  want to play.

 

With better players and a better squad[ which yours is], I think he could get you playing the type of football you want. He likes to play similar to Klopp, high pressing and energy, but at the moment he has to work with what he has and he has done amazingly to still have a chance of keeping us up.

 

Interestingly I note some posters have said about the player power at Leicester. They certainly wouldn't like his training methods, but so far it has worked for us.

 

To be honest and I'm not knocking Leicester, but I don't think he would want to go to you[ although you are a bigger club}. As someone pointed out Dyce, Howe and Wagner have a certain amount of control within their clubs. He wouldn't get it at your club, plus he has stayed loyal to us[ might not if we are relegated], when Aston Villa and Wolfsburg came calling.

 

 

Thanks for the insight.

 

I hope your health improves and the Terriers stay up.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

18 hours ago, LCFC FOX said:

All out for Benitez for me no. Only person for the job in my opinion 

I totally agree. We need someone with a good track record, and imo Benitez is the perfect fit.

[Farrington fox]

Rafa would be my first choice, no question. But he won’t come here. 

[Johnthefoxrayner]

5 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I'm sold. WAGNER IN!

Doesn't matter who we get in if we get some bad results most of the fans will want him sacked, there is no pleasing some people, IMO we all expect to much  im sorry to say it ain't going to happen, we are Leicester city can anyone see us being atop four club, no is the answer as long as we stay in the PL then I'm OK with that, 

[weller54]

18 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Rafa would be my first choice, no question. But he won’t come here. 

Agree.  

Eddie Howe my 2nd choice.. Give him the funds and time to rebuild.