George Hirst

[breadandcheese]

Sheffield Wednesday spent a lot of money investing in Hirst, developing his talent. It sits ill that we'd be playing the system in such a way as to avoid paying a fee.  If clubs operate in this fashion, it will have a negative impact on youth development.

[VLC86]

14 minutes ago, breadandcheese said:

Sheffield Wednesday spent a lot of money investing in Hirst, developing his talent. It sits ill that we'd be playing the system in such a way as to avoid paying a fee.  If clubs operate in this fashion, it will have a negative impact on youth development.

But it is bloody funny though isn’t it.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Sheffield Wednesday should've treated Hirst with more respect and they would've got the fee they deserved.

[Collymore]

For him to go to OL to save on fees seems a little unethical and certainly hard on SW but if the FA allow this to happen then there can be no blame on our owners or their clubs. It's just business and why they are so successful and rich in the first place. 

 

Edited 24 June 2018 by Collymore

[Jimbo]

I'm not reading their entire thread on this, so I'm not sure I completely get the dispute with Hirst. But regardless of what it was, regardless of how things ended with them etc etc I'm not sure this sits well with me.

 

What have we become? Not so long ago we were of a similar status to them. I know it's business and I know it's football but I don't want us to be the premier league team taking the piss out of the smaller clubs in the league's below.

 

There must be a reason for this because surely any compo due would just be pocket change to the owners?? 

 

This is why I could never be successful businessman my morals wouldn't allow it 

[Owlstalk]

On 22/06/2018 at 17:21, Gerard said:

Just had a look, Wednesday fans aren't happy. A good day for Leicester getting Hirst for a no doubt reasonable fee after a year in Belgium and Musa scoring a worldie and possibly adding to his value in the World Cup. 

 

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/273048-hirst-gone/

It's a mixed bag of opinions this one

There are those who blame the Hirst's (George's dad David is a SWFC Legend and the greatest striker the club has ever had)

Some blame the chairman who allegedly froze the player out of playing for the youth sides unless he signed a new contract

Now the move has been made a lot of attention is rightly on a club's ability to move a player to a smaller linked club and then onto the main club without paying the players worth. Nothing wrong done by Leicester here but unless football closes this loophole it could have serious ramifications for all clubs not in the Premier League.

George is a real prospect. If you get hold of him and develop him right you could be in for a massive player. The only thing you have to worry about then is if a bigger club like Manchester United (who were after him) come in for him and move him via a smaller club

 

It's easily the most debated topic on Owlstalk currently

[moore_94]

Lots of Sheff Wed fans saying we should be investigated and taken to court for this

 

Previously bidded for him and then ends up joining our sister club to avoid compensation

 

Am I right in thinking that yes ethically it is a dirty move, but legally it is all perfectly fine?

 

 

[pazzerfox]

Obviously Hirst wanted to join us but was blocked by the Owls chairman.  If he had have joined us, we might have sent him to Leuven for further development anyway (his dad is mates with big Nige after all).  Most likely he will end up a LCFC player at some point, providing he fulfils his potential.

 

If he becomes a flop however, he won't be coming to LCFC at all!

[Suzie the Fox]

But isn't this all speculation as to whether he will come to us after he has been developed in Belgium?

 

It could quite easily just be down to Pearson knowing the player and wanting him in his squad, with no intention of him moving to us.

 

The Sheffield fans are just assuming he will come here in 2 years for a cheaper price,is just their take on it. I cant see at this point we have done anything wrong. We did want him, we made an offer last year and they declined it. He moved on. 

 

Those are the only facts right now. What happens in 2 years is probably worthy of their 50+ page thread but at this moment isnt it all just conjecture? 

 

Edited 24 June 2018 by Suzie the Fox

[Corky]

22 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Lots of Sheff Wed fans saying we should be investigated and taken to court for this

 

Previously bidded for him and then ends up joining our sister club to avoid compensation

 

Am I right in thinking that yes ethically it is a dirty move, but legally it is all perfectly fine?

 

 

Surely we'd only be taken to court if he eventually moves to us? If he plays for Leuven for a couple of years it could be claimed he just moved there to play first-team football.

[mozartfox]

All this moral stuff is a bit rich    Rules and regulations are flaunted by virtually every Professional Club (and Country) in various forms.  It's the way things are done. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

 

As STF states above, LCFC have done nothing wrong 'as it stands'.   Let a contract run down and this is what happens?

[Owlstalk]

11 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

But isn't this all speculation as to whether he will come to us after he has been developed in Belgium?

 

It could quite easily just be down to Pearson knowing the player and wanting him in his squad, with no intention of him moving to us.

 

The Sheffield fans are just assuming he will come here in 2 years for a cheaper price,is just their take on it. I cant see at this point we have done anything wrong. We did want him, we made an offer last year and they declined it. He moved on. 

 

Those are the only facts right now. What happens in 2 years is probably worthy of their 50+ page thread but at this moment isnt it all just conjecture? 

 

 

Think technically George doesn't even need to play in Belgium for that long. I think it's a min 6 months thing

[Owlstalk]

10 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

All this moral stuff is a bit rich    Rules and regulations are flaunted by virtually every Professional Club (and Country) in various forms.  It's the way things are done. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

 

As STF states above, LCFC have done nothing wrong 'as it stands'.   Let a contract run down and this is what happens?

 

 

Bang on

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, Owlstalk said:

Think technically George doesn't even need to play in Belgium for that long. I think it's a min 6 months thing

Regardless of timing though, its still guess work he will come to Leicester. 

 

Im not saying he won't, especially as we have been interested him, but as i see it IF the deal had gone through last year. Chances are we probably would have loaned him out to OH Leuven then.

 

I just dont see we have gone about it this way to save a couple of million £.

 

Could be wrong and time will tell. 

[Owlstalk]

2 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Regardless of timing though, its still guess work he will come to Leicester. 

 

Im not saying he won't, especially as we have been interested him, but as i see it IF the deal had gone through last year. Chances are we probably would have loaned him out to OH Leuven then.

 

I just dont see we have gone about it this way to save a couple of million £.

 

Could be wrong and time will tell. 

I genuinely don't believe that this is anything that Leicester will have instigated to save money. 

Personally I would hazard a guess that this move has been done to ensure that the SWFC chairman doesn't benefit from any compensation after freezing George out of even playing for the youth sides for nearly a full year.

[Wolfox]

17 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

One sentence that sums up 99% of every problem the world is currently facing.  Well done Foxestalk, I am proud of you.

The Only Way Is Ethics...

[sylofox]

32 minutes ago, Owlstalk said:

I genuinely don't believe that this is anything that Leicester will have instigated to save money. 

Personally I would hazard a guess that this move has been done to ensure that the SWFC chairman doesn't benefit from any compensation after freezing George out of even playing for the youth sides for nearly a full year.

A very level headed post from the offended. Yet some of our fans have to find a conspiracy theory.

 

No mention in this deal of the Foxes. But some just need to find a reason to bash our club. This is more a Pearson Hirst move than our owners. Was it not said when our owners bought in they have no control of the playing side of OHL.

Edited 24 June 2018 by sylofox

[Livid]

You don’t get to be a billionaire by just giving a couple of million  away here and there because it’s the ethically correct thing to do. 

 

We all know it’s a business now, look at how we got around FFP for years before agreeing on a settlement  (not mentioned on Owlstalk amazingly!). The big six have their worldwide marketing streams, we have to be savvy and use every trick in the book. 

 

Just the way it is!

[gurru991]

Sheffield deserve everything they get on this one. The had the opportunity to move the player on but wanted to play games with the lad to teach him a lesson. So now he can play for Pearson for a year & prove himself. Good Job City.

[ALC Fox]

5 hours ago, Suzie the Fox said:

Regardless of timing though, its still guess work he will come to Leicester. 

 

Im not saying he won't, especially as we have been interested him, but as i see it IF the deal had gone through last year. Chances are we probably would have loaned him out to OH Leuven then.

 

I just dont see we have gone about it this way to save a couple of million £.

 

Could be wrong and time will tell. 

Fair point. If he does well, we could give Leuven say £5m for him, which would give them a nice little slice of our PL money to strengthen their squad.

[KingsX]

TWO THAI OWNERS

 

Two Thai owners, rich as they could be

Smart and tough as anybody you will ever see,

Stayed clear of the generals with their wit and wiles,

Took a shot at footy as a way to grow their piles.

... but these two wealthy men, did things quite differently.

 

One Thai owner, wisest of the wise?

Squinted at his starlet, sizing up his prize

And though he was worth more than many sovereign states,

Offered just a lock-in, and at half the going rate

... the “hell no” in response, somehow took him by surprise.

 

One Thai owner, threw out all his toys

“George, you can rot with the youngest school boys”

No games, no loan, no nothing!  for this insolent

Burn the sinner down to save him, let the fire take the tent

... and the Owlets bought more tickets, and hooted out their joy.

 

One Thai owner, patiently watching this

Picked up the prize for a hapenny and chips

Paid young George a bonus plus the market rate,

Sent the lad to learn the trade, from his dad’s old mate

...there’s no room nor right in business, just to take the piss.

 

One Thai owner, mixed tough sense with human feel

When the player’s value peaks, find the balance, strike the deal

The wisest find a win-win on the sharp edge of the knife

While your assets may be treasured, to a player it’s his life

A lesson for the Fox kits, should they choose to take it in

Or are they merely Owlets, who now expect only to win?

[UPinCarolina]

48 minutes ago, KingsX said:

TWO THAI OWNERS

 

Two Thai owners, rich as they could be

Smart and tough as anybody you will ever see,

Stayed clear of the generals with their wit and wiles,

Took a shot at footy as a way to grow their piles.

... but these two wealthy men, did things quite differently.

 

One Thai owner, wisest of the wise?

Squinted at his starlet, sizing up his prize

And though he was worth more than many sovereign states,

Offered just a lock-in, and at half the going rate

... the “hell no” in response, somehow took him by surprise.

 

One Thai owner, threw out all his toys

“George, you can rot with the youngest school boys”

No games, no loan, no nothing!  for this insolent

Burn the sinner down to save him, let the fire take the tent

... and the Owlets bought more tickets, and hooted out their joy.

 

One Thai owner, patiently watching this

Picked up the prize for a hapenny and chips

Paid young George a bonus plus the market rate,

Sent the lad to learn the trade, from his dad’s old mate

...there’s no room nor right in business, just to take the piss.

 

One Thai owner, mixed tough sense with human feel

When the player’s value peaks, find the balance, strike the deal

The wisest find a win-win on the sharp edge of the knife

While your assets may be treasured, to a player it’s his life

A lesson for the Fox kits, should they choose to take it in

Or are they merely Owlets, who now expect only to win?

This is too good to be buried in this thread.

[KingsX]

27 minutes ago, UPinCarolina said:

This is too good to be buried in this thread.

 

Thanks for the positive, Yooper.  It was here or the Mahrez thread ... or the pedants corner, because it is a long lecture.  Best "buried" most likely.

[Owlstalk]

On 24/06/2018 at 14:11, gurru991 said:

Sheffield deserve everything they get on this one. The had the opportunity to move the player on but wanted to play games with the lad to teach him a lesson. So now he can play for Pearson for a year & prove himself. Good Job City.

It's definitely been a very messy time

[gurru991]

1 minute ago, Owlstalk said:

It's definitely been a very messy time

I don't know all the ins & outs but it appears that the negotiations between Hirst and the club got personal. It's a shame really that Sheffield didn't sell him to us earlier.