That “Handball” last night

[grobyfox1990]

Lol, it was the most handball I've seen in a while. No reason at all for him to jump with his arms up in the air like that, he's not gaining leverage, it's like he's waving at someone. Look at how Maguire and Vardy head the ball in the build up to it. That's how you go to head a ball,

[The Doctor]

22 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Look at everyone jumping for the ball in that clip everyone uses their arms to jump, we’re not penguins. Look at Wilf’s right arm it’s as high as Holdings. You use your arms for leverage. If Wilf wasn’t there he would have brought his right arm down the same way he did his left.

You use your arms to propel but he's clearly not doing that there, that's not a natural position. It's deliberate handball, it's a penalty and a second yellow, that is the only correct decision that can be given there

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

You use your arms to propel but he's clearly not doing that there, that's not a natural position. It's deliberate handball, it's a penalty and a second yellow, that is the only correct decision that can be given there

it was clear as day from the other end of the bloody pitch ……. couldn't understand why it wasn't given...…… i could argue that its an unfortunate handball and hence not worth a second yellow though …..

[Fox seen in Norwich]

If Holding wasn’t already on a yellow the ref probably gives it.

Personally I think it was not intentional so shouldn’t have warranted a second yellow, especially with the double jeopardy rule

A pen it should have been, ref bottled it as probably plays on his mind he should send holding off too but as it’s the 1st half and one of the top 6 vs lttle Leicester he chooses not too 

 

VAR required

[Trav Le Bleu]

@Captain... 0

 

Rest of FT infinity

 

[Farrington fox]

Deffo handball and pen. But it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Their manager made 2 decisive substitutions, which as much as our own deficiencies won them the game, comfortably .

[FOXYTALK]

Clearly a penalty, possibly changing the outcome of the game.

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

Absolute game changer , penalty and sending off, premier refs just not good enough, about time they paid the money and got the top euro refs in, ours just can not nake big decisions.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Arkie Bennett said:

That Morgan incident I can just about accept that the ref gave what he thought he saw but was hugely mistaken. Last night's, however, was blatant handball in full view of the referee. Even allowing for Wilf and Holding colliding as they jumped, but Holding's arm was always in an unnatural position that was bound to interfere with the flight of the ball. A nailed on penalty, the question has to be why it wasn't given. 

It wasn't given because we aren't a top 4/5 team. Had that been the other way around, it would have been given, I'm certain of it.

 

'These things even themselves out over the course of a season' Usually they don't if you're not a top 6 side, you usually don't get the rub of the green.

[Leicester_Loyal]

10 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Deffo handball and pen. But it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Their manager made 2 decisive substitutions, which as much as our own deficiencies won them the game, comfortably .

We don't know if it would have changed the outcome, but playing vs 10 men and having the chance to score early on would have definitely swung the momentum in our favour.

[adam1]

1 hour ago, Markyblue said:

It was a penalty, ref looking straight at it and bottled it. 

100% spot on

[Kitchandro]

57 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Thanks for the clip, but disagree about his arm being in an unnatural position, everyone who jumps for the ball jumps with their arms up and brings them down as they jump. Both Holding’s arms go up as he jumps his left arm starts to come down the same time as his right Wilf has his left arm on Holding’s shoulder for leverage in doing so he blocks him from bringing his arm down and causes Holding’s arm to ricochet off his head and towards the ball.

 

Holding does not move his arm to the ball, why would he the ball is going straight to his head?

Nobody in the world jumps with their arms that high. They raise slightly when you jump, and often players will use them for leverage on another player’s shoulders. Even in that extreme, they only need to go out to the side, not straight in the air.

 

He thought he was playing basketball, that’s his only excuse, and the referee must have thought that too. Unacceptable decision.

[st albans fox]

Tough day for me in the office ....... the dickeads saying that they were like the Harlem globetrotters in the second half ....... go quiet when I reminded them that they actually did play basketball in the first half .......  

 

@CAPTAIN    None of them has argued it wasn’t a pen 

[crisp packet]

V.a.r gives a pen all day .

Even  changed the flight path of the ball...

[Brooksy]

Its a peno but we probably would have sat back and conceded earlier anyway

[RowlattsFox]

Apart from catching the ball, its the clearest handball penalty decision you'll see. A second yellow might have been a little harsh but its definitely a penalty.

 

Probably wouldn't have changed much though, we went shit after we scored so this would have just happened earlier.

[UniFox21]

Don't defend him, its a penalty as clear as day. You put your arm up there and you're at risk, there's movement to almost flick the ball away from everyone. 

 

What's very clear to see on the bias is the fact the only mention of the missed penalty on sky is right at the bottom. Had this been the other way round they'd be screaming for better refs, but for us, nothing

[Hanan96]

While he's raising his hand, wilf also raise his hand with roughly same height. This might help the ref to be biased

[foxoffderby]

Penalty seen less clear cut ones given 

[Ted Maul]

Imagine thinking that's not a penalty. Clear as they come.

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

Thanks for the clip, but disagree about his arm being in an unnatural position, everyone who jumps for the ball jumps with their arms up and brings them down as they jump. Both Holding’s arms go up as he jumps his left arm starts to come down the same time as his right Wilf has his left arm on Holding’s shoulder for leverage in doing so he blocks him from bringing his arm down and causes Holding’s arm to ricochet off his head and towards the ball.

 

Holding does not move his arm to the ball, why would he the ball is going straight to his head?

But Cap, in the very same clip you see Magurie and Vardy both jump for headers with their arms barely above chest height.

 

Wilf’s got nothing to answer for in terms of the movement of Holding’s arm, as Holding’s arm should not have been there in the first place.

 

If it hadn’t been there the ball would have dropped to Wilf’s feet and could have resulted in an attempt on target.

[Matt]

24 minutes ago, Brooksy said:

Its a peno but we probably would have sat back and conceded earlier anyway

 

Exactly my point that I posted in another thread.

 

Ultimately we want the right decisions and that is what’s being discussed in this thread. 

 

Would have altered the game, no one knows, I think generally people think it would, I’m not so sure, I think it’d have just meant we’d have sat back, defended earlier and for a longer period.

 

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Would it? I keep seeing people claiming this and either way who knows, but that’s exactly my point.

 

My train of though is as soon as we scored we instantly sat back, inviting them on to us, inviting the pressure, getting pushed further and further back making no attempt to go forward after such an impressive performance before the goal.

 

At the time of the penalty claim it was 0-0? So what makes people think has we been given the penalty, had it been scored we wouldn’t have done what we did - sitting back and the inevitable happen etc?

 

Had we already been 1-0 then given the penalty, scored and made it 2-0 people may have a point.

 

I suppose the game changer would be they’d be down to 10 men but the way we let ourselves suffocate going so defensively and negative after taking the lead I think there’s an argument to be made about a team with 10 men still beating us.

 

Edited 23 October 2018 by Matt

[Countryfox]

57 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Deffo handball and pen. But it wouldn't have changed the outcome. 

 

As daft comments go that would take some beating ...

[iamafox]

And if that was one of our defenders handling the ball in the same fashion, we wouldn't have got away with it.

 

Shit happens when you play against bigger clubs.

[KingsX]

Shocked nobody has started a thread with a poll.

 

Something 90% of FT could actually agree on.

 

Or not.

 

 

 

 

p.s. I quite like Kyle Martino and Robbie Mustoe on NBC but not everything they say is correct.