Puel 'Facing the sack' - reports

[Russell sprout]

9 hours ago, yks said:

Based on what ?
He hasn't accomplished half of what Puel has in his career.

Not in terms of silver wear,

but from where Bournemouth have come he’s done an amazing job,

so you could say ranieri hasn’t accomplished as much as he’s only won one title,but who did he win that with,

its all in material 

[Hanan96]

1 hour ago, Russell sprout said:

Not in terms of silver wear,

but from where Bournemouth have come he’s done an amazing job,

so you could say ranieri hasn’t accomplished as much as he’s only won one title,but who did he win that with,

its all in material 

For how long? Amazing job in less than a year? With bunch of high paying bench player? 

[Matt]

12 hours ago, yks said:

Based on what ?
He hasn't accomplished half of what Puel has in his career.

For abit of balance Puel's been in the management game almost double the amount of time Howe has, with better teams, in easier leagues, matter of opinion of course.

 

Be fair to Puel, what he has accomplished was a Ligue 1 Title, Cup and Intertoto Cup within his 1st 4 years, unless i'm wrong, nothing since. A CL semi-final and a League Cup final if you want to include that, when I say "nothing since" i'm not using that as a stick to beat Puel with for clarification, but to say he has accomplished half of what Puel has in career, when he has League Two promotion, League One promotion, Championship title, kept them in the Premier League and turned them into a established, mid table Premier League club on a smaller platform when you consider he only been in management half the time Puel has, again, for clarification i'm not using it as a stick to point at Puel, Puel in/out, his time here all to one side, i'm just discussing your comment and comparisons.

 

For another bit of balance i'm not sure Howe would be right for us, I think he could be one of those managers that settles and excels with one club, arguably like Dyche, like Pearson. I say that with the greatest respect for what he's done at Bournemouth, time will tell if and when he comes to leave there.

 

Edited 26 December 2018 by Matt

[nnfox]

Eddie Howe has done a great job at Bournemouth but he is a Bournemouth man through and through.  He has been given lots of time there to build his brand of football from a very low base.  I seem to remember he went to Burnley for a short time but results didn't go his way and he got home sick and managed to get his old job back at Bournemouth where he picked up where he left off with an established "Eddie Howe" brand of football.

 

I have a lot of respect for Eddie Howe but I am not convinced he is anything but a one-club wonder.  He should stay in his comfort zone, with his family, amongst a fan base that rightly love him.  Being thrown into a Premier League club looking for an immediate change of fortunes and a quick transition to sustained success is not what Eddie Howe is about.

 

[Bunyip]

5 hours ago, Hanan96 said:

Hmm

Inter milan went from treble winners onto struggling sides for decades after hire him

 

I didnt want such miracles

Don't be silly. One mangers tenure could not possibly account for decades of decline. That club was already on the slide.

[baldeagle]

48 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

Don't be silly. One mangers tenure could not possibly account for decades of decline. That club was already on the slide.

Oh the irony 

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

55 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

Don't be silly. One mangers tenure could not possibly account for decades of decline. That club was already on the slide.

Peter Taylor... 

[yks]

7 hours ago, somebum said:

What exactly is half of nothing

Ligue 1 Champion, transforming twice a relegation candidate into a title contender and going to semi-finals of the Champions League is nothing ?
It baffles me the ignorant ones are always the more vocal.

 

2 hours ago, Matt said:

For abit of balance Puel's been in the management game almost double the amount of time Howe has, with better teams, in easier leagues, matter of opinion of course.

 

Be fair to Puel, what he has accomplished was a Ligue 1 Title, Cup and Intertoto Cup within his 1st 4 years, unless i'm wrong, nothing since. A CL semi-final and a League Cup final if you want to include that, when I say "nothing since" i'm not using that as a stick to beat Puel with for clarification, but to say he has accomplished half of what Puel has in career, when he has League Two promotion, League One promotion, Championship title, kept them in the Premier League and turned them into a established, mid table Premier League club on a smaller platform when you consider he only been in management half the time Puel has, again, for clarification i'm not using it as a stick to point at Puel, Puel in/out, his time here all to one side, i'm just discussing your comment and comparisons.

 

For another bit of balance i'm not sure Howe would be right for us, I think he could be one of those managers that settles and excels with one club, arguably like Dyche, like Pearson. I say that with the greatest respect for what he's done at Bournemouth, time will tell if and when he comes to leave there.

 

Well, I think :

1/ League 2, League 1 and Championship aren't harder leagues than Ligue 1
2/ It doesn't matter the level of the league, since the difficulty to manage a club is relative to the own level of the league.

Then it's unfair only considering silverlining for Puel and "general accomplishments for Howe.

Considering Howe in a top league, he only managed to stabilize a club promoted thanks to an economical edge against his competitors in lower divisions to a midtable team.
Puel took an usual relegation candidate and qualified them for European competitions, twice (Lille and Nice).
He went to Champions League semi-finals with a mediocre Lyon team.

(And yes he also actually won some titles)
And we could also talk about the two dozens of young players he gave a start in professional football who became superstars or Top 15 European clubs regular starters or the 50 he made into top league professionals.

So at the moment, there is absolutely nothing to prove Howe is a better manager than Puel (maybe he could become one).

Edited 26 December 2018 by yks

[Babylon]

On 24/12/2018 at 18:53, MPH said:

 

 

@Babylon 

And?

[MPH]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

And?

 

 

 

you thought it was all being made up/ blown out of proportion by someone with an agenda...   do you still think that?

[yks]

8 minutes ago, MPH said:

you thought it was all being made up/ blown out of proportion by someone with an agenda...   do you still think that?

I do.

Reading he lost everybody and then seeing the player supposed to lead the rebellion hug him during the Chelsea game was kind of weird...
And let's not talk about one of the reason being the benching of Andy King, it's ludicrous.

Another thing, if he really had "lost everybody", there wouldn't be the need to see how the results goes against Chelsea, Man City and Cardiff, as said in the article, to decide his fate.

[MPH]

17 minutes ago, yks said:

I do.

Reading he lost everybody and then seeing the player supposed to lead the rebellion hug him during the Chelsea game was kind of weird...
And let's not talk about one of the reason being the benching of Andy King, it's ludicrous.

Another thing, if he really had "lost everybody", there wouldn't be the need to see how the results goes against Chelsea, Man City and Cardiff, as said in the article, to decide his fate.

 

 

that was a quote. you’ll notice when that has been reported, the “lost everybody” is a direct quote from someone. i

 

Do you honestly think Vardy is happy in the role he has?

 

 

 Vardy has been put in the spotlight with his public confessing he struggles with the formation, then that coming out..

 

 

 

what other reaction was he supposed to do?

 

 

Besides, have you never spoken behind your bosses back something you dont like about them and how much they annoy you ( or anyone else for that matter) only to smile at them ten minutes later?

 

 

come on, dont be so naive.

Edited 26 December 2018 by MPH

[Babylon]

33 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

 

you thought it was all being made up/ blown out of proportion by someone with an agenda...   do you still think that?

You need to read what I said again.

[Suzie the Fox]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

that was a quote. you’ll notice when that has been reported, the “lost everybody” is a direct quote from someone. i

 

Do you honestly think Vardy is happy in the role he has?

 

 

 Vardy has been put in the spotlight with his public confessing he struggles with the formation, then that coming out..

 

 

 

what other reaction was he supposed to do?

 

 

Besides, have you never spoken behind your bosses back something you dont like about them and how much they annoy you ( or anyone else for that matter) only to smile at them ten minutes later?

 

 

come on, dont be so naive.

I'm with @yks on this actually, naively or not. I don't believe its all heresay or made up either though, i expect an off the cup remark was made by a player after a bad training day or something and its been picked up on and blown out of proportion. 

 

We all cus our bosses when they do something we don't like, except that we are no in the limelight so its doesnt matter and its not overheard by other members of staff who may share it with their friends, who in turn goto press/social media etc.

 

 

[AjcW]

People realise that just because something may or may not be true doesn’t mean someone doesn’t also have an agenda  

 

I think we can safely assume two things:

 

1) A lot of what was written is true

2) Geoff and a few other local journos ****ing hate Claude and want him out and are clearly stoking the fire to (perhaps) help some of their player mates out and (perhaps) help the clubs  PR perception when they do sack him.  

 

case closed. 

[steflcfc]

While the football under Puel is a bit hit and miss at the moment, for me he is getting everything else right.

 

He is trying to get us a bit more better in possession, whilst trying to get our core squad and starting 11 younger, and a fair few have signed up to longer term deals.

 

He also recognises that Simpson Fuchs Benaloune King Musa Slimani either are not good enough or have no future at the club.....which we all know, and have managed to get a few out on loan and some contracts will run out.

 

Also he has only had 1 summer transfer window to operate in, January window is extremely hard to move on squad players and prices are hugely inflated.

 

On the pitch things will come good given time, and Puel being able to bring more players he requires whilst trimming the squad and getting a core 20 odd players fighting for a first team place.

 

He has managed to do this well so far without the unfortunate events with Vichai which I’m sure drained everyone emotionally and physically.

 

For me he is managing everything extremely well and deserves to be given a lot more time.

 

Another manager will just have the same issues with an overloaded squad of varied quality which Puel currently has, changing managers will not miraculously give limited players a new lease of life and skill sets they don’t have.

 

It’s Puel in for me.

Edited 26 December 2018 by steflcfc

[MPH]

10 minutes ago, AjcW said:

People realise that just because something may or may not be true doesn’t mean someone doesn’t also have an agenda  

 

I think we can safely assume two things:

 

1) A lot of what was written is true

2) Geoff and a few other local journos ****ing hate Claude and want him out and are clearly stoking the fire to (perhaps) help some of their player mates out and (perhaps) help the clubs  PR perception when they do sack him.  

 

case closed. 

 

 

this is probably closer to the truth.

 

 

But i do find it mildly amusing that there are several  posters feel that Puel has done enough to upset up the league ,Albert and many others enough for them to try and coerce his downfall.

 

Could it not simply be that alienating Andy king from the first team squad has upset the players? that the lack of cummunication has annoyed and frustrated them too? and his seeming inability to change the tactics has burnt his bridges with them too?

 

i mean it’s not likely those exact same points  with largely the same player base have happened before is it?

Edited 26 December 2018 by MPH

[Hanan96]

3 hours ago, Bunyip said:

Don't be silly. One mangers tenure could not possibly account for decades of decline. That club was already on the slide.

Hmm one tenure. What about real madrid tenure next? 

 

Why the club (Inter) are already on the slide? 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

23 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

this is probably closer to the truth.

 

 

But i do find it mildly amusing that there are several  posters feel that Puel has done enough to upset up the league ,Albert and many others enough for them to try and coerce his downfall.

 

Could it not simply be that alienating Andy king from the first team squad has upset the players? that the lack of cummunication has annoyed and frustrated them too? and his seeming inability to change the tactics has burnt his bridges with them too?

 

i mean it’s not likely those exact same points  with largely the same player base have happened before is it?

  I wouldn't credit either of them with that much importance/influence.

[yks]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

Besides, have you never spoken behind your bosses back something you dont like about them and how much they annoy you ( or anyone else for that matter) only to smile at them ten minutes later?

 

 

come on, dont be so naive.

If I actively tried to get my boss fired, I would have the decency to not display any sign of affection to him because I usually try to be a decent human being.

And I think it's more naive to take any rumours or hearsay reported by "journalists" who hate someone at face value.

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

that was a quote. you’ll notice when that has been reported, the “lost everybody” is a direct quote from someone. i

 

Do you honestly think Vardy is happy in the role he has?

 

 

 Vardy has been put in the spotlight with his public confessing he struggles with the formation, then that coming out..

 

 

 

what other reaction was he supposed to do?

 

 

Besides, have you never spoken behind your bosses back something you dont like about them and how much they annoy you ( or anyone else for that matter) only to smile at them ten minutes later?

 

 

come on, dont be so naive.

Shall I get you a mirror?

[MPH]

17 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Shall I get you a mirror?

 

not needed, but nicely avoiding the point. well done.

[Manwell Pablo]

I think it’s safe to say if he had lost the players and the dressing room whatever has been said since in talks  has sorted the issue. Even if we lose this is another great effort from the players 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Puel out?

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Lock this pile of steaming shite.