Jattdogg Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 Yanited can suck a fat one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 9 minutes ago, VIKTOR-LE5 said: You tell me, United have always had this biggest fan base and attendance even when the were shit. I think that is called taking the fanbase for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 3 minutes ago, Steven said: I think that is called taking the fanbase for granted. Indeed, but it doesn`t make it less true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 26 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Where was this quoted? Link me Percy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/30/manchester-uniteds-pursuit-harry-maguire-threatens-go-wire-leicester/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 31 July 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 31 July 2019 44 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: I don’t think it’s a matter of time. Pep has a habit of chipping off quite regularly and whilst they are one of the best teams in the world, that alone will not project them into the ranks of Utd, Barcelona, Real Madrid. Not in my opinion anyway. They will likely fade again, maybe in 5 years, maybe in 15. Utd will always be massive. I might be wrong, I just don’t see it. There are gigantic, world famous teams, Man City just don’t belong at that table, and it’s not just about football. If it was they would be number 1 in all likelihood. Sorry but this is just a load of waffle based on absolutely nothing. Man Utd have a huge head start on the rest of the world, certainly on the rest of English football, because they were the first team to really go global. You could have a Manchester United credit card to pay for your Manchester United TV channel to sit in your Manchester United replica kit sat in your bedroom in Tokyo long before anyone outside of Europe even knew there was a second Manchester club. But these things are built on and powered by success. The more years at the top table Man City have, the more they'll cultivate a global brand, the more they cultivate a global brand, the more sustainable their success. The more sustainable their success, the more attractive they are to potential buyers if their current owners pull out, the more attractive they are to potential buyers, the wealthier owners they'll get, the longer they'll stay at the top. Where as if United were driven in to the ground, spent years without winning anything, in an age where other clubs are catching them up and becoming globally, eventually - even if in many generations time - they'll slide away. You can't just say "United always big, City always small... Because....... reasons." There's no logic to that. Have City caught them up yet? Not at all. Could they? Obviously. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Sorry but this is just a load of waffle based on absolutely nothing. Man Utd have a huge head start on the rest of the world, certainly on the rest of English football, because they were the first team to really go global. You could have a Manchester United credit card to pay for your Manchester United TV channel to sit in your Manchester United replica kit sat in your bedroom in Tokyo long before anyone outside of Europe even knew there was a second Manchester club. But these things are built on and powered by success. The more years at the top table Man City have, the more they'll cultivate a global brand, the more they cultivate a global brand, the more sustainable their success. The more sustainable their success, the more attractive they are to potential buyers if their current owners pull out, the more attractive they are to potential buyers, the wealthier owners they'll get, the longer they'll stay at the top. Where as if United were driven in to the ground, spent years without winning anything, in an age where other clubs are catching them up and becoming globally, eventually - even if in many generations time - they'll slide away. You can't just say "United always big, City always small... Because....... reasons." There's no logic to that. Have City caught them up yet? Not at all. Could they? Obviously. We really couldn’t .... but this isn’t for this thread ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobyfox Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 In terms of Manchester United’s “bigness” then there are many hard measures that make them a global brand. It’s difficult to imagine that one day they won’t be in the same way that you can’t ever imagine Real Madrid or Barcelona slipping from their lofty status. It’s also difficult to see what clubs could usurp them. With the investment in the PL, however, Man United face challenges that a lot of foreign giants don’t. In Germany, Italy, France and Spain it's still the same one or two clubs that dominate. The rise of Man City and Chelsea shows that it’s different in England. People say that Man City and Chelsea will never supersede Man United and Liverpool. The former clubs have the new investment, but they don’t have the history of the latter clubs. Would it be impossible for Man City to be a bigger global brand than United? It’s very difficult, but not impossible. The clubs with the new money are already creating their own history. Kids outside of Manchester & London and over the world are already starting to wear Man City shirts when before they may have chosen United. The problem is that creating that history will take sustained effort over a long period of time. Eventually they could start to match and overtake what Liverpool and Man United achieved, but who is to say that those clubs won’t make come backs themselves. It can be done, but it would take 2 or 3 generations for these clubs to be truly bigger than the traditional elite. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 9 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We really couldn’t .... but this isn’t for this thread ...... He's saying Man City I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 59 minutes ago, Ashley said: Football changes, why cant it happen? There is no such thing as can’t. I agree. The likelihood though is not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 If Man U keep finishing 6th, then they aren't going to be the same club in 10 years or 20 years time. It's as simple as that, Wang Chung sat in his rip off Man U top in Hong Kong isn't a Man U fan because he just loves them. He's a fan because essentially their fan bases are made up entirely of glory hunters who just follow whatever team is winning stuff at the time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dahnsouff Posted 31 July 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 31 July 2019 Just now, Babylon said: If Man U keep finishing 6th, then they aren't going to be the same club in 10 years or 20 years time. It's as simple as that, Wang Chung sat in his rip off Man U top in Hong Kong isn't a Man U fan because he just loves them. He's a fan because essentially their fan bases are made up entirely of glory hunters who just follow whatever team is winning stuff at the time. Wang Chung sounds like a right dick 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 Back on topic - does anyone know if Harry passed the medical at MU ( or couldn’t he get off the pot due to Delhi belly)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 1 minute ago, Babylon said: He's saying Man City I think... I was but even Leicester could be the biggest club in world football, eventually. Boston United could be the biggest club in world football eventually. If Jeff Bezos bought Stocksbridge Park Steel a tomorrow for a laugh and he and his descendents spend the next twenty, thirty, forty years injecting unlimited wealth in to the club, blast them to the top of football, essentially buy their way to ten consecutive champions league finals, buy the best player in the world in every position, market the shit out of their club, do deals out the wazoo with EA Sports, Coke, Nike, PlayStation, airlines, whatever. Eventually over time they grow their brand and grow their brand until its the biggest thing going. Nothing is infinite, everything needs to be sustained. Especially football club supporter bases internationally which are, let's be honest, almost entirely made up of glory supporters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 19 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Sorry but this is just a load of waffle based on absolutely nothing. Man Utd have a huge head start on the rest of the world, certainly on the rest of English football, because they were the first team to really go global. You could have a Manchester United credit card to pay for your Manchester United TV channel to sit in your Manchester United replica kit sat in your bedroom in Tokyo long before anyone outside of Europe even knew there was a second Manchester club. But these things are built on and powered by success. The more years at the top table Man City have, the more they'll cultivate a global brand, the more they cultivate a global brand, the more sustainable their success. The more sustainable their success, the more attractive they are to potential buyers if their current owners pull out, the more attractive they are to potential buyers, the wealthier owners they'll get, the longer they'll stay at the top. Where as if United were driven in to the ground, spent years without winning anything, in an age where other clubs are catching them up and becoming globally, eventually - even if in many generations time - they'll slide away. You can't just say "United always big, City always small... Because....... reasons." There's no logic to that. Have City caught them up yet? Not at all. Could they? Obviously. I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxpleasure Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: I was but even Leicester could be the biggest club in world football, eventually. Boston United could be the biggest club in world football eventually. If Jeff Bezos bought Stocksbridge Park Steel a tomorrow for a laugh and he and his descendents spend the next twenty, thirty, forty years injecting unlimited wealth in to the club, blast them to the top of football, essentially buy their way to ten consecutive champions league finals, buy the best player in the world in every position, market the shit out of their club, do deals out the wazoo with EA Sports, Coke, Nike, PlayStation, airlines, whatever. Eventually over time they grow their brand and grow their brand until its the biggest thing going. Nothing is infinite, everything needs to be sustained. Especially football club supporter bases internationally which are, let's be honest, almost entirely made up of glory supporters. Didn't know Jeff Bezos was a Stocksbridge Park Steel fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I was but even Leicester could be the biggest club in world football, eventually. Boston United could be the biggest club in world football eventually. If Jeff Bezos bought Stocksbridge Park Steel a tomorrow for a laugh and he and his descendents spend the next twenty, thirty, forty years injecting unlimited wealth in to the club, blast them to the top of football, essentially buy their way to ten consecutive champions league finals, buy the best player in the world in every position, market the shit out of their club, do deals out the wazoo with EA Sports, Coke, Nike, PlayStation, airlines, whatever. Eventually over time they grow their brand and grow their brand until its the biggest thing going. Nothing is infinite, everything needs to be sustained. Especially football club supporter bases internationally which are, let's be honest, almost entirely made up of glory supporters. Its true, but it does rather overlook the historic element. For example, why are Everton seen as a big (not top 6, but big) club? Why is Sheff Wed a big club? Why is Villa a big club? (ffs) It clearly has bugger all to do with the last 20 years or so, there is also something more intangible at play, perhaps the media proliferating the image (As they can be* lazy in this regard). Arguing only that there are other factors at play in what makes a club big, clearly sustained success is the main reason, but its not that simple I would suggest. *sorry @UpTheLeagueFox not you obviously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 4 minutes ago, foxpleasure said: Didn't know Jeff Bezos was a Stocksbridge Park Steel fan. Plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 8 minutes ago, Babylon said: If Man U keep finishing 6th, then they aren't going to be the same club in 10 years or 20 years time. It's as simple as that, Wang Chung sat in his rip off Man U top in Hong Kong isn't a Man U fan because he just loves them. He's a fan because essentially their fan bases are made up entirely of glory hunters who just follow whatever team is winning stuff at the time. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Would you have a problem with people in Hong Kong going around in fake Vardy tops because they happened to get into football at the same time we were winning the league a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 10 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I was but even Leicester could be the biggest club in world football, eventually. Boston United could be the biggest club in world football eventually. If Jeff Bezos bought Stocksbridge Park Steel a tomorrow for a laugh and he and his descendents spend the next twenty, thirty, forty years injecting unlimited wealth in to the club, blast them to the top of football, essentially buy their way to ten consecutive champions league finals, buy the best player in the world in every position, market the shit out of their club, do deals out the wazoo with EA Sports, Coke, Nike, PlayStation, airlines, whatever. Eventually over time they grow their brand and grow their brand until its the biggest thing going. Nothing is infinite, everything needs to be sustained. Especially football club supporter bases internationally which are, let's be honest, almost entirely made up of glory supporters. And the chances of that happening are? nothing is impossible, we should know that, but many things are probable. For instance, and to flirt with the topic of this thread, it’s possible that Maguire will sign for Utd, in fact it’s probable. I mean its possible that Messi could sign for us, but is it probable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 38 minutes ago, brucey said: Percy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/30/manchester-uniteds-pursuit-harry-maguire-threatens-go-wire-leicester/ That isn't a quote though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwl fox Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 1 minute ago, brucey said: Ain't nothing wrong with that. Would you have a problem with people in Hong Kong going around in fake Vardy tops because they happened to get into football at the same time we were winning the league a few years ago? No but what he's saying is how many of them that were going around in fake Vardy tops 3 years ago are still going round in them now? Not many, probably, not all, certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Teapot Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 (edited) On 29/07/2019 at 23:11, AjcW said: Beck is his agent. He's also James Garners agent. Either way it's not a very professional thing to do posting that image at a time like this, could even be detrimental to a deal that will sort that agency out for years to come.... so i'd say it's more likely he's sorting a loan out for Garner. His agent is Kenneth Shepherd, son of Freddie Shepherd. He also used to look after Kasper and Simpson, but doesn't any longer. The agency is run / owned / funded / involved in someway by Stretford. No idea who that other bloke is. Edited 31 July 2019 by Abrasive fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 You don't need a direct quote from a player / manager / DoF / agent to know what's going on. Journalists get briefed all the time, often on the basis of "You can say this but don't quote me publicly". For example, we were briefed time and time again for huge swathes of last season and some fans wouldn't have it because "I haven't seen a player say he's unhappy, dislikes the manager" etc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 Just now, Abrasive fox said: His agent is Kenneth Shepherd, son of Freddie Shepherd. The agency is run / owned / funded / involved in someway by Stretford. No idea who that other bloke is. Ahh apologies! Beck seemed like the only one on the site who had any sort of “agent” title. Beck has Butland and Garner on his books, I imagine Garner is the only reason he’d have been at Carrington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 31 July 2019 Share Posted 31 July 2019 4 minutes ago, nwl fox said: No but what he's saying is how many of them that were going around in fake Vardy tops 3 years ago are still going round in them now? Not many, probably, not all, certainly. I thought his point was about the current large Man U fan base being mostly comprised of overseas fans that initially started as glory hunters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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