Coronavirus Thread

[Super_horns]

I don’t think we will see massive lifting of restrictions till all the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated twice

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Think I heard someone say try to open up more at the end of April which made sense .

 

 But they will say we can meet up greater numbers outside sooner than that .
 

[KFS]

Baffled why your gyms aren’t open honestly. Been back in mine since around October. People have to wear a mask and wipe down equipment before and after use and it’s worked a treat.
 

Before anyone bothers - I’ve hit compound lift PBs in a mask since going back. It’s really not a bother for the trade off mental health benefits.

[Kasey Keller]

So it’s finally here Monday 22nd February....bozzas big fvcking anti climax

and yet again he’ll leave us all scratching our heads as to what’s just come out of his mouth...

Iam seriously struggling with being strung along all the time with it will be reviewed again in 4 weeks etc etc.🙁

[UniFox21]

BBC News - Covid: Vaccines having big impact on hospitalisation risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600

 

Fantastic news. 

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

10 hours ago, Stivo said:

The other key thing that they don’t know yet is the extent to which the vaccines protect against hospitalisation.  If vaccines are say 75% effective against symptomatic Covid but are 95% effective against hospitalisations then we will be in a much better position to ease restrictions faster.

AZ (94%) more effective than Pfizer (85%) in terms of protection from hospitalisation, according to the latest study.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-linked-to-85-and-94-drop-in-coronavirus-hospital-admissions-in-scotland-study-shows-12225532

[RowlattsFox]

At least we now have some idea of what the short term future holds, whether we agree or disagree with the order of everything. Either way, someone will disagree with any approach taken to removing lockdown. 

 

 To me, there is no point saying 2 households can meet in gardens but not inside, just not going to happen. Everything really depends on what happens when schools go back, if that goes wrong then what is the answer?

 

 

Not the most important thing, but personally I want as much certainty in regards to foreign holidays as possible, if it's going to be August or next year then I want to know so I can make plans, I'm prepared not to go Spain in June but whilst there is a chance I can't really plan anything else. Saying we'll see or it depends doesn't really help. 

 

 

[StanSP]

 

 

 

[Nod.E]

From an Instagram account with 5k followers, late teens to early 20s.

[fox_up_north]

I just don't get why the schools are just opening up, all at once, as normal. They've been shut for 6 weeks and someone can't make a plan other than "just open them." Dozens of suggestions have been made by unions, teachers, talking heads, experts. The virus is here. It's not really going anywhere and there is likely to be more isolation/lockdowns so perhaps they should use the time to actually plan longer than 2 months in advance?

I have worked in education, in some form, for the best part of a decade. Schools, colleges, other. I can assure you that much of what kids learn in school isn't retained past a few years. Just try some stuff yourself - can you remember what a simple, complex and compound sentence is? Or how to measure Sin Cos Tan?

I would much prefer to see more time dedicated to supporting those who are struggling most with this and adapting future exams/ tests/ coursework to take into account that kids aren't any less intelligent, but that they've just had less time learning stuff. This is a great opportunity to really rethink the education system and move away from just sitting in a classroom - it really doesn't work for some kids. Saying they all need to "catch up" won't work if there structure isn't in place to decide what it is they're actually catching up on, what they're doing it for and how they're going to do it. 

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

20 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

Not letting myself be encouraged by this too much because every time we've had good news in this pandemic, its been shat on a few days later.

[Finnaldo]

[StanSP]

17 minutes ago, Nuneatonfox in Manchester said:

Not letting myself be encouraged by this too much because every time we've had good news in this pandemic, its been shat on a few days later.

I'm trying to be positive and think this time it's different purely because 1) we have a vaccine and 2) the vaccine rollout and efficacy results has been relatively successful and promising so far, in that the vulnerable categories have been targeted as intended and I don't see why that will stop as more categories are offered vaccine. 

 

 

[OrielCaziado]

I’d love to know why golf can’t return till end of March.  Fishing has been allowed throughout this lockdown and from early March you can legally meet someone outside to socialise.  I’m sure golf could easily be allowed for two balls only, without any need for players to go inside the clubhouse. 

[String fellow]

It's strange how 'effectiveness' has morphed into 'efficacy' since the pandemic began. 

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, String fellow said:

It's strange how 'effectiveness' has morphed into 'efficacy' since the pandemic began. 

Thought they meant the same thing? Just people/journalists getting on board the fancier sounding word I guess. 

[Legend_in_blue]

I'm struggling to weigh up the situation when on one hand you have a message of proceeding with extreme caution but on the other hand you have given the green light for all kids to return to school on the same day?  This is what is being suggested.  Zahawi said so this morning - so it must be true of course 

 

Back in January a staged approach was being implemented, this now appears not to be the case.  So many conflicts in the approach here, this is just one of many, and we've seen it time and time again.  Vaccine rollout aside, the govt do not appear willing to learn from past mistakes.

[Nod.E]

1 hour ago, OrielCaziado said:

I’d love to know why golf can’t return till end of March.  Fishing has been allowed throughout this lockdown and from early March you can legally meet someone outside to socialise.  I’m sure golf could easily be allowed for two balls only, without any need for players to go inside the clubhouse. 

Should never have been stopped. It's mind boggling.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I like my Starbucks coffee run, but it's baffling to me that I am allowed to go indoors and wait with other people for my coffee, but I'm not allowed to walk around a field in the open air with one other person, socially distanced.

 

Almost as though they're making it up as they go along and not being led by data.

[OrielCaziado]

11 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Should never have been stopped. It's mind boggling.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I like my Starbucks coffee run, but it's baffling to me that I am allowed to go indoors and wait with other people for my coffee, but I'm not allowed to walk around a field in the open air with one other person, socially distanced.

 

Almost as though they're making it up as they go along and not being led by data.

Also I just think it’s money wasted. Staff at golf clubs will I assume be on furlough for the past three months when there’s absolutely no reason for that to be the case. 

[yorkie1999]

13 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Should never have been stopped. It's mind boggling.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I like my Starbucks coffee run, but it's baffling to me that I am allowed to go indoors and wait with other people for my coffee, but I'm not allowed to walk around a field in the open air with one other person, socially distanced.

 

Almost as though they're making it up as they go along and not being led by data.

More likely there is no data. How would you actually quantify the risk of spreading the virus on a golf course which i suspect is almost zero, it seems the only things you could measure would be indoors.

[Nuneatonfox in Manchester]

1 hour ago, OrielCaziado said:

I’d love to know why golf can’t return till end of March.  Fishing has been allowed throughout this lockdown and from early March you can legally meet someone outside to socialise.  I’m sure golf could easily be allowed for two balls only, without any need for players to go inside the clubhouse. 

Possibly because it is an activity enjoyed by predominantly middle to upper class white men. If they ban traditionally working class sports/activities but allow golf, they are likely to be accused of discrimination by certain media outlets. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

31 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Should never have been stopped. It's mind boggling.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I like my Starbucks coffee run, but it's baffling to me that I am allowed to go indoors and wait with other people for my coffee, but I'm not allowed to walk around a field in the open air with one other person, socially distanced.

 

Almost as though they're making it up as they go along and not being led by data.

The same data that now says hospitalisation risk is minimal and likewise going to the beach etc.

 

They are absolutely clueless.

 

Mark Harper on politics live just said that the top 9 priority vaccination groups account for 99% of all deaths and 80% of hospitalisations. 3 weeks after they've all been vaccinated, nothing should be closed really, everything should be open (with maybe one or two exceptions)

[Sol thewall Bamba]

12 hours ago, KFS said:

Baffled why your gyms aren’t open honestly. Been back in mine since around October. People have to wear a mask and wipe down equipment before and after use and it’s worked a treat.
 

Before anyone bothers - I’ve hit compound lift PBs in a mask since going back. It’s really not a bother for the trade off mental health benefits.

Never been any data released for spread due to gyms that I've seen. Dunno why anyone would expect the likes of our cabinet to know the benefits of a gym anyway so I'm hardly surprised. 

[String fellow]

In fairness to the Prime Minister, he gets his exercise on his bicycle, and possibly in bed. On attending gyms, surely it makes more financial sense in the long run (no pun intended) to buy your equipment.

[foxile5]

35 minutes ago, String fellow said:

In fairness to the Prime Minister, he gets his exercise on his bicycle, and possibly in bed. On attending gyms, surely it makes more financial sense in the long run (no pun intended) to buy your equipment.

You're right that there's probably some financial sense to buying your own kit over a long period of time.

 

However, my gym offers classes as part of the membership. I can do things like circuits by myself - I wouldn't be as motivated and lack the know-how. Also the spread of kit would cost me a fortune to acquire (though may just pay for itself) and would necessitate a vast auditorium to house. I live in a terrace house.

 

There's also the nebulous benefit to being a member of a gym. They force you to attend, or at least for people like me they do. I'm paying for it so I'm going to use it. There is the 'I'll do it another day' attitude to exercise at the minute. 

 

Just as an addendum. Don't be fair to the Prime Minister. He sure as hell isn't fair to you.

[Legend_in_blue]

53 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

The same data that now says hospitalisation risk is minimal and likewise going to the beach etc.

 

They are absolutely clueless.

 

Mark Harper on politics live just said that the top 9 priority vaccination groups account for 99% of all deaths and 80% of hospitalisations. 3 weeks after they've all been vaccinated, nothing should be closed really, everything should be open (with maybe one or two exceptions)

 

And bearing this in mind, why should there be a need for everyone, including children (which Sage is pushing for), to be vaccinated?  This is the key question that needs to be addressed as you work your way down the age groups.