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3 hours ago, Jaspa said:

Lloyd Dyer was rapid into his early 30s. Musa's gone off into the rigours of Saudi football in his mid-twenties. Yakubu developed a style of play where he didn't have to move much, think the goal against Derby away, so he essentially drew his time out by making the most of his strength and technical ability, he was a phenomenal player even without pace.

 

Kanu, Obafemi Martins & Jay Jay Okocha all had question marks over their actual age.

 

There's even articles on the subject - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/feb/21/nigerian-football-age-old-problem

 

and an oracle of football knowledge, Jackson Ude believed this about Musa in 2015

https://www.twitter.com/jacksonpbn/status/654279863793283072

 

Wow! A speculative newspaper article citing the rumours of bloggers, and a dude on twitter. Well, that settles it then. 

 

What next? 5G causes Covid-19? Bill Gates wants to depopulate Africa? And the Nigerian president has long been dead and replaced by either by a clone or by a Sudanese named Jubril? SMH

 

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4 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

Wow! A speculative newspaper article citing the rumours of bloggers, and a dude on twitter. Well, that settles it then. 

 

What next? 5G causes Covid-19? Bill Gates wants to depopulate Africa? And the Nigerian president has long been dead and replaced by either by a clone or by a Sudanese named Jubril? SMH

 

 

Yeah, not certain Jackson Ude is necessarily the oracle of sportsman knowledge I built him up to be :rolleyes:

 

So there isn't any scope for age fraud in football? It's all comparible to the most ridiculous conspiracies you can whip up in 30 seconds.

 

Here's a quote from the Nigerian Football Federation President of 99-00 Anthony Kojo Williams -

"We use over-age players for junior championships, I know that. Why not say it? It's the truth. We always cheat."
 
Of course this issue isn't solely localised to Nigeria, rumours were rife around Radamel Falcao's actual age, along with others all over the world at different times, at all levels of the game. The theme tends to be an early peak or blossoming of a player, a drop off earlier than expected and a possibly dubiously documented background which are speculated upon. All of this could be codswallop, I don't claim to know anything tangible in actuality, but it does seem plausible from seeing players careers and developments, aswell as taking the advantages they stand to gain from a possibly prolonged career and benefits of playing in the early age groups against less physically developed opponents into account.
 
As the roots of the tree of football has grown though there are more systems in place to track players from an earlier age, with better documentation and even scans of the wrist bones being used to help determine players age's at certain stages of their development through the football system. Hopefully age doping and the speculation around it will be a thing of the past.

 

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34 minutes ago, Jaspa said:

 

Yeah, not certain Jackson Ude is necessarily the oracle of sportsman knowledge I built him up to be :rolleyes:

 

So there isn't any scope for age fraud in football? It's all comparible to the most ridiculous conspiracies you can whip up in 30 seconds.

 

Here's a quote from the Nigerian Football Federation President of 99-00 Anthony Kojo Williams -

"We use over-age players for junior championships, I know that. Why not say it? It's the truth. We always cheat."
 
Of course this issue isn't solely localised to Nigeria, rumours were rife around Radamel Falcao's actual age, along with others all over the world at different times, at all levels of the game. The theme tends to be an early peak or blossoming of a player, a drop off earlier than expected and a possibly dubiously documented background which are speculated upon. All of this could be codswallop, I don't claim to know anything tangible in actuality, but it does seem plausible from seeing players careers and developments, aswell as taking the advantages they stand to gain from a possibly prolonged career and benefits of playing in the early age groups against less physically developed opponents into account.
 
As the roots of the tree of football has grown though there are more systems in place to track players from an earlier age, with better documentation and even scans of the wrist bones being used to help determine players age's at certain stages of their development through the football system. Hopefully age doping and the speculation around it will be a thing of the past.

 

N'didi got kicked out of a tournament for failing the age test scan. 

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12 hours ago, frany104 said:

Honestly can’t see the appeal of selling him. The people slagging him off on here is a joke. He was our most creative player after lockdown. The lads come on leaps and bounds. For god sake give him a chance.

How can we still be saying 'give him a chance' after three years?

 

6 hours ago, ROB-THE-BLUE said:

The last 3 years will have been a complete waste if we give up on him now! Feels like we've got through a lot of the hard work with him and he's starting to show real promise. Give him another season! 

It will be a complete waste if he runs down his contract and leaves cheaply or for free.  I think it is decision time.  If we can get our money back and get someone most would consider better like Edouard that would be good business.

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1 hour ago, chris_lcfc_85 said:

As a back up striker, he's quality. 

Be foolish to let go! 

 

What grounds do people think Edouard would be any better?

Exactly this. He's still young and can become the main man when Vardy gets past it. I actually think Nacho is more suited to our style of play as he likes to get involved deeper and has some really nice touches and links up well. I think we've got the best backup striker in the league excluding Man City and Jesus. 

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5 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

 

 

Ndidi did not fail an "age" test.

 

What he "failed" (to the extent that one can rationally use the term) was an MRI screening - and that's a distinction with a substantive difference. An MRI screening measures bone density and the fusing of certain bones (primarily the wrist plates), essentially predicated upon the assumption that all persons age identically and that skeletal and physical development is substantively identical. Of course, that's scientific nonsense and there's been tons of scholarly literature debunking the premise and presumption. Nonetheless, it has since been understood and more or less accepted as a COMPROMISE.    

 

It has however accordingly led to patently RIDICULOUS instances where some kids under 17 years (including some born in the US and the UK, with verifiable reliable birth records) have failed MRI tests, while others later discovered to be overage had comfortably "passed" MRI screenings. There have also been instances where players "pass" the screening only to "fail" a few weeks later. 

 

Of course, none of the foregoing means that there have not been instances of age fraud in football (especially in Africa, South America, North America (Mexico) and Asia), but frankly these matters are often not amenable to the sorts of cavalier parachute analyses often prevalent on FT (nor to tasteless ethnic humour).   

 

And the MRI is used to predict the age of a person. It’s an “age test” and he failed it, dress it up however you want because that’s what they were trying to determine. The reliability of said tests are another story.

 

The Fifa testing showed a 99% accuracy when scanning people with a verified birth certificate.

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8 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

 

 

Ndidi did not fail an "age" test.

 

What he "failed" (to the extent that one can rationally use the term) was an MRI screening - and that's a distinction with a substantive difference. An MRI screening measures bone density and the fusing of certain bones (primarily the wrist plates), essentially predicated upon the assumption that all persons age identically and that skeletal and physical development is substantively identical. Of course, that's scientific nonsense and there's been tons of scholarly literature debunking the premise and presumption. Nonetheless, it has since been understood and more or less accepted as a COMPROMISE.    

 

It has however accordingly led to patently RIDICULOUS instances where some kids under 17 years (including some born in the US and the UK, with verifiable reliable birth records) have failed MRI tests, while others later discovered to be overage had comfortably "passed" MRI screenings. There have also been instances where players "pass" the screening only to "fail" a few weeks later. 

 

Of course, none of the foregoing means that there have not been instances of age fraud in football (especially in Africa, South America, North America (Mexico) and Asia), but frankly these matters are often not amenable to the sorts of cavalier parachute analyses often prevalent on FT (nor to tasteless ethnic humour).   

 

Fifas system gives 3 years leeway I believe which makes it 99% accurate. They dont know his exact age but they reckon he wasn't 17. And what are you on about with ethnic humour I don't think anyone was taking the piss. 

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3 hours ago, Babylon said:

And the MRI is used to predict the age of a person. It’s an “age test” and he failed it, dress it up however you want because that’s what they were trying to determine. The reliability of said tests are another story.

 

The Fifa testing showed a 99% accuracy when scanning people with a verified birth certificate.

Presumably though professional athletes are more likely to fail those tests. Part of the reason they’re professionals and way better than than the average person at their age is because their bodies are more developed/suited to the sport.

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1 hour ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Presumably though professional athletes are more likely to fail those tests. Part of the reason they’re professionals and way better than than the average person at their age is because their bodies are more developed/suited to the sport.

They tested footballers from different countries as the base line. It's a tiny percentage who have the fused bone at that age apparently, yet in under 17 tournaments it rocketed to 35% who had it. It's not just a Nigerian issue, it happens from lots of countries. 

 

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16 hours ago, Babylon said:

And the MRI is used to predict the age of a person. It’s an “age test” and he failed it, dress it up however you want because that’s what they were trying to determine. The reliability of said tests are another story.

 

The Fifa testing showed a 99% accuracy when scanning people with a verified birth certificate.

I can predict that you would be a year older next year, I don't think that's what an MRI screening is used to determine. lol

 

First, you cannot really test age, so regurgitating the colloquial language of journalist does not lend any more veracity 9nor credibility), but the fact that even you concedes that it is at best susceptible to a 1% FAILURE (and frankly that's questionable data) means that it is UNRELIABLE to determine EVERYONE's age. What's true for the general is not necessarily so for the particular. 

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