NaijaFox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 And here’s a suggestion, for all the good it does us... When we win a corner kick or a free-kick up the pitch, we should just hand over ball to the opponents and save everyone the bother!
David Hankey Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 After a terrific start to the season, that can't be denied, what happened today. I've been wracking my brains since the final whistle and it seems to me two things, one WHU wanted it more than us and second I wonder if complacency had crept in. Whatever, we have plenty of work to do if we want to finish with a Top 4 place.
RowlattsFox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 Every single West ham player was more physical than their direct opponent. Sometimes you can bypass that with quality but it seemed to dent our confidence in all aspects of our play.
AKCJ Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 2 minutes ago, David Hankey said: After a terrific start to the season, that can't be denied, what happened today. I've been wracking my brains since the final whistle and it seems to me two things, one WHU wanted it more than us and second I wonder if complacency had crept in. Whatever, we have plenty of work to do if we want to finish with a Top 4 place. "They wanted it more" . I cannot ****ing stand it when football fans peddle that absolute tripe. Get a grip. We were shit, they were great. Nothing to do with "wanting" it. Sorry but that's utter rubbish.
Ricey Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 2 minutes ago, NaijaFox said: And here’s a suggestion, for all the good it does us... When we win a corner kick or a free-kick up the pitch, we should just hand over ball to the opponents and save everyone the bother! I actually think we are better off sending no one forward and just playing it short. Currently it’s not worth the threat of being hit on the counter.
weller54 Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 5 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said: That was a disgraceful performance. Not only could West Ham have had more but we were lacking the absolute basics. Played like a hungover Sunday team Looked like they all had a fvcking big roast dinner at about 11.30am😂
AKCJ Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 David Moyes picked our team today and nobody can prove me wrong. Five at the back with two in midfield that don't like the physical battle. Absolutely perfect for West Ham.
ALC Fox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 I don't think Tielemans' position was right today. Against Man City, he and Mendy were able to skilfully beat the press. Against West Ham, Tielemans was too deep and we needed his creativity further up the pitch. Perez wasn't good enough so we needed Tielemans in a more advanced role with potentially Choudhury alongside Mendy. Choudhury's more combative nature may have suited the opposition better and set a tone that could've spread among his teammates. Either that or we just should've played 4 at the back from the beginning. With Mendy the only deep-lying midfielder. Amartey would've been the obvious player to drop from the team in that case, which would've been harsh, but we were immediately more effective when we changed shape today. To me it seems we changed shape and personnel for Man City but then not for West Ham. That being said, West Ham were brilliant today. We were atrocious physically and in the air, made a lot of unforced errors and couldn't move the ball quickly enough in dangerous areas. Barnes' disallowed goal was encouraging though. That's exactly how we should be playing. I think that was a lesson learned there. We need to be taking the game to most teams in the division.
Spudulike Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 6 minutes ago, David Hankey said: After a terrific start to the season, that can't be denied, what happened today. I've been wracking my brains since the final whistle and it seems to me two things, one WHU wanted it more than us and second I wonder if complacency had crept in. Whatever, we have plenty of work to do if we want to finish with a Top 4 place. Or it could that West Ham are a very good team and will have one of their best PL seasons, ever. They put 4 past Wolves last week. It was one of those days that happens. Its football (said in a Claudio voice).
RowlattsFox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 2 minutes ago, ALC Fox said: I don't think Tielemans' position was right today. Against Man City, he and Mendy were able to skilfully beat the press. Against West Ham, Tielemans was too deep and we needed his creativity further up the pitch. Perez wasn't good enough so we needed Tielemans in a more advanced role with potentially Choudhury alongside Mendy. Choudhury's more combative nature may have suited the opposition better and set a tone that could've spread among his teammates With hindsight this probably would have helped but imagine this forum if we had started Mendy and Choudhury together
spacemunky Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 When Hammers look like sh*t(and they will) it's going to be all "How'd we ever lose to these f@*#$!!!" in this place!
mozartfox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 Let’s no kid ourselves. We were found out and out played by an intelligent West Ham performance. Yes we have 3-4 first eleven players missing, but this is squad game and today we were plain and simple second best. Two weeks now to stew over this and hopefully we have good news tomorrow with some more dead trees chopped out to make us all smile again.
NaijaFox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 3 minutes ago, Spudulike said: Or it could that West Ham are a very good team and will have one of their best PL seasons, ever. They put 4 past Wolves last week. It was one of those days that happens. Its football (said in a Claudio voice). They put 4 past Wolves doing exactly what they did against us - sit back, soak up pressure and hit them on the break. Which is why it was somewhat baffling we started with a back-three. It was almost as if no one on our staff scouted their game.
l444ry Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 Our last two performances remind me of Jose Mourinho's football philosophy. 1. The game is won by the team who commit fewer errors. 2. Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition. 3. Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it’s better to encourage their mistakes. 4. Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake. 5. Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake. 6. Whoever has the ball has fear. 7. Whoever does not have it is thereby stronger.
Sunbury Fox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: But it was so predictable col - many commented in the pre match thread that this was the concern - to Take a body out of that midfield was an astonishing decision The only other fit midfielder available was Hamza so are you suggesting we should have started him alongside Mendy and Youri? Cos that's the only way we could have avoided losing a man in midfield.
Guest Danny Clender Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 I'm going to give this post-mortem as much as James Justin and Ayoze Perez gave to today's game. leicester bad west ham good
ALC Fox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 5 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: With hindsight this probably would have helped but imagine this forum if we had started Mendy and Choudhury together Absolute meltdown Personally I think 4-1-4-1 would've done it. Regardless, we did come up against a remarkably well-drilled, effective, physically dominant West Ham side today. They took their chances well too. I know he's ex-Forest but I love Antonio and how he's grafted his way to becoming a very effective PL centre forward. He's an excellent finisher too.
Stuntman_Mike Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 3 minutes ago, Danny Clender said: I'm going to give this post-mortem as much as James Justin and Ayoze Perez gave to today's game. leicester bad west ham good You after a job at Sky?
Hammo Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 23 minutes ago, NaijaFox said: And here’s a suggestion, for all the good it does us... When we win a corner kick or a free-kick up the pitch, we should just hand over ball to the opponents and save everyone the bother! Which begs the question: What are they doing in training (or the transfer market) to address this obvious and persistent shortcoming?
Guest Danny Clender Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 4 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said: You after a job at Sky? Yes, and I'll be back after the break for more analysis on the Spurs vs Man U game.
oxtonfox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 Ayoze today? He gave me some of the same that we’ve seen from Gray in the past. Poor decision making... He cost 6 times as much as Gray so that’s a worry.
st albans fox Posted 4 October 2020 Posted 4 October 2020 6 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said: The only other fit midfielder available was Hamza so are you suggesting we should have started him alongside Mendy and Youri? Cos that's the only way we could have avoided losing a man in midfield. in the absence of praet, madders and wilf, we could have pushed DA alongside mendy to add another person higher up the pitch or indeed hamza although DA offers more defending set plays which was evidently our concern .......youri would have pushed further forward whilst still being available for the ‘triangle’ but would have meant we were three v three in the middle accept that DA and mendy together is an awful pairing from an attacking perspective but we would have been better than what we saw and actually more solid
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