Brighton (H) FA Cup, 10/02/21

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, KingsX said:

 

 

But the future of the club isn’t set by its history.  It will be determined by how well it’s run.  LCFC always having been a yo-yo club doesn’t mean it must always remain one.

 

True, for us it’s a long climb up a knife’s edge.  We don’t now have the resources to fully compete on all fronts.  We need a “resource multiplier” to keep climbing.  The one great resource multiplier is a Champions League place.  It’s worth tens of millions, and it attracts and keeps top players.

 

The FA Cup is a major honor (and a huge “hole” for us).  I can’t argue with anyone who personally values it more than an EL final or CL place.

 

But what I don’t get is the preference for “bragging rights” or telling grandkids about something in decades past, over the strongest possible position to win in the future, that soon becomes the here-and-now. 

 

Isn't it more enjoyable to always be able to watch quality players, to always go into matches feeling able to win … than to always be able to relive a triumph in the receding past?  Wouldn’t most Forest fans swap their grandads' trophies to be where we are going forward?

 

The squad has been thinned out by injury, and it's crunch time for three competitions.  If it comes down to the best chance to write one brilliant entry in the register, or the best chance to become a better club (and possibly write many entries), I choose the latter.  There's no guarantees either way.

 

In life & sport,One can only talk & opionate on preferencess, success & Excellence is built opon those individual brilliant entries & achievements,!

Choice is what is trawled into the net,and not what is targetted or landed...

[gw_leics772]

5 hours ago, filbertway said:

I'm not sure what would have changed between now and the last round.

1 win 😱😱😱😱😱😱🤯

 

Cup it is .

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Given the reason Thracian disappeared from the forum, this wording might be considered at best unfortunate.

Can someone please dm me to explain what happened to thracian?

[reynard]

It is a shame the bottom of the table is so clear cut. Brighton will play a full strength team as they have nothing else to play for. They are going to be confident following recent results. We, on the other hand, are starting to look tired and jaded. We have bigger games to come and need to rest players and sad though it may be this is the game we're likely to do it.

With the teams left in we're not likely to win this anymore than winning the league. We do, though, really need the extra money a top 4 finish would provide. Next season will see even more spending my clubs like Chelsea, Man utd, Man city and Liverpool and the top 4 will be even harder than this season.

Of course I'd like to win the FA Cup but right now for the club's immediate and medium term future a top 4 finish is far more important.

 

I think it will be close with one goal deciding it either way.

[weller54]

2 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

Ok, you've won me over, let's go balls deep for the cup and let the kids get tonked against liverpool. At least it shouldn't affect the first teams confidence that way.

 

We're going to wemberleeee

At last.. someone with a bit of sense!!

So many naive posters on here who want us to play our strongest 11 against Brighton and completely fvck up any chance we have of getting a result against Liverpool...

Take the rose coloured spectacles off FFS, the poxy FA Cup is not a priority for us this season. Establishing ourselves as a top 4/6 club is!!

[gw_leics772]

1 hour ago, weller54 said:

At last.. someone with a bit of sense!!

So many naive posters on here who want us to play our strongest 11 against Brighton and completely fvck up any chance we have of getting a result against Liverpool...

Take the rose coloured spectacles off FFS, the poxy FA Cup is not a priority for us this season. Establishing ourselves as a top 4/6 club is!!

I'm serious! I started off with your line of thought but this thread reminded me that those scouse ***** will beat us if they put their grandma's out, so night as well go for the cup this week!

[LanguedocFox]

4 hours ago, Webbo said:

Leeds made the Champs League semi final in 2001, they were relegated in 2004, down to league 1 in 2007. They only got back to the prem this season. Being in the champions league doesn't guarantee future success.

I think there’s a fundamental difference between City and the Leeds of the early 2000s. We have owners and senior management who see City as a long-term project, and are building the club with that in mind. The new training centre, the stadium expansion, the recruitment policy are all part of that vision.

 

Leeds had a chairman (Ridsdale) who had a vision but lacked both the ability and the back-up team to see it through.

[Jobyfox]

I sometimes get bored with the cup v league debate every time an FA Cup game comes around, but I suppose it's inevitable when we're discussing team selection. 

 

Win trophies or establish ourselves in the top four/six? What does 'establish' mean anyway? 5 years in a row? 10? We do know that we all start level again every new season right? 

 

The two things (league and cup) don't have to be mutually exclusive. The teams that achieve either are the teams that achieve both - they're the same teams! 

 

We are more than capable of rotating players out for the Brighton game and still be competitive. If our squad has the capacity to achieve a top 4/6 finish then now is the time to test it. 

 

[LanguedocFox]

5 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Given the reason Thracian disappeared from the forum, this wording might be considered at best unfortunate.

Can we all be let in on the secret ?

[Sly]

15 minutes ago, LanguedocFox said:

Can we all be let in on the secret ?

Thracian watched a fair amount of the youth setup and championed a lot of them to be given a chance within the first team.

 

He’d often write long winded posts, outlining his reasons for supporting them and was quite direct and argumentative in his approach. 
 

One day he went out in a blaze or glory and stated he’d had enough and wasn’t logging into here again.

 

...... it’s a long time ago and I don’t recall the exact details. 

[Alan Frost]

2 hours ago, weller54 said:

At last.. someone with a bit of sense!!

So many naive posters on here who want us to play our strongest 11 against Brighton and completely fvck up any chance we have of getting a result against Liverpool...

Take the rose coloured spectacles off FFS, the poxy FA Cup is not a priority for us this season. Establishing ourselves as a top 4/6 club is!!

I don't regard it as the poxy FA Cup and I posted fairly recently we should be pursuing all 3 competitions strongly, Europe, the PL and Cup. Recent results in The PL where imo we failed to field our strongest team by including players who were clearly contributing little heve n't changed that feeling.and In my view that led to Vardy playing an unnecessary 25/30  ?  minutes against Wolves. 25  minutes of a Vardy with less match fitness could not guarantee turning the Wolves match around any more than Lionel Messi  could have done. 9() minutes yes, 25  no. The substitution was correct but would imo have been totally unnecessary had the right team been selected at kickoff, , without Vardy . Ten men and a weakness , or 9 men and two weaknesses may be less strong than a straight 10 men, or very occasionally 9 men as often used to be the case at one time in Italian football and even unlikely Newcastle proved for a short while at the w/e. It was for a short while but probably seemed like an hour to them and a day to Steve Bruce.

 

Let me stop being long winded . IMO playing Perez is definitely a mistake. Iheanacho is poor imo but I recently have changed my earlier  opinion and see signs he may yet become a useful player. However I am merely saying avoid ten men and a weakness as I've often posted, Eleven men is much better  and we could have played eleven useful talented players  in all our recent matches.

 

Result is that we  failed at Wolves ,Everton and against Leeds but imo there is still no need to make another mistake in playing Perez against either L'pool or Brighton . Our strongest team can't afford to be carrying a passenger either against L'pool or Brighton.. Tactics? pencil in the strongest team possible v L'pool. Once that is done the strongest team that does n't weaken us against L'pool should be fielded at Brighton.  I Ihink we have the squad resources to do that and at least will feel if we fail against either we tried our best. If we get an injury at Brighton which weakens the team v L'pool, c'est la vie. Field the strongest team we have left. Why undermine our best with craven approaches. Fortune favours the brave. Barnes ,Justin , Vardy and in fact most of the team are not tired imo, they are just puzzled and maybe very slightly demoralised by team selections that seem strange to most of us , and must seem bizarre to them. Let's stop being gutless. It does n't suit the club or its players I'm glad and proud to say. In my experience a cautious ,timorous approach rarely succeeds . Boldness risks failure in one or both competitions (Europe is not yet a factor) . Go for success in both. We have the resources to do it. Thielemans may be a little tired , but it does n't look like tiredness to me. As always BR knows far more about that than I possibly can.

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To do this is harder than I am making it sound it but essential to try. Its almost too late to maximise this season. I just don't see how anyone looking through the forum's history section, player ratings esp. recent ones as I did today, can possibly be making  some of our recent selections .  We heartily approve of you  BR, your player purchases ,assuming that a well run club like LCFC gives the man who carries the can the biggest say,  have been brilliant. We can forgive what should be only slight blemish when you were new to the club and trust you to act in the best interests of the club and all our squad,Occasionally even nice guys have to be ruthless. I don't believe anything  is ever best served by timid arse-covering selections whether it be Leicester City, the national squad, or indeed any enterprise. Selections which never leave a team feeling really good ,even if they succeed. Go for both , Foxes. There is a time for timidity but it is not now,or often.

Edited 9 February 2021 by Alan Frost

[ozleicester]

can @Aus Fox or anyone down under confirm what channel this is being shown on in OZ.. ive had conflicting reports of BT2 - Prime - Kayo and am just not 100% on any... if im getting up at 4 again, i really dont want to be buggering around with dodgy streams etc.

TIA

[NewquayFox]

I think Rodgers would love us to progress in The FA Cup, looking at a few of the posts in this thread I keep seeing Mendy & Choudhury playing together and Perez & Iheanacho together, both a definite no for me, the ball will be stuck in the defensive side of the centre circle with no support for Iheanacho.

Would prefer us to ‘go for it’ and not go all defensive, our players are supreme athletes  and should easily manage 2 games a week...

Kasper

Ricardo

Amartay

Soyuncu

Justin

Choudhury

Ünder

Tielemans

Maddison

Barnes

Vardy

Get this game out of Brighton’s reach in 55/60 minutes then bring on the 5 subs allowed, The FA Cup is every fans dream... 

[KrefelderFox666]

On 07/02/2021 at 21:25, RonnieTodger said:

Not home games surely? 
 

Even if we can’t go away, having a Bayern or Barca at home would be good 

Sorry I misread and thought you meant away games. Hopefully close to full capacity at some point next season for domestic games, unsure how away travel will work though.

 

Let's just have both! FA Cup final and Top 4. Can't be too much to expect right...

[LanguedocFox]

8 hours ago, Sly said:

Thracian watched a fair amount of the youth setup and championed a lot of them to be given a chance within the first team.

 

He’d often write long winded posts, outlining his reasons for supporting them and was quite direct and argumentative in his approach. 
 

One day he went out in a blaze or glory and stated he’d had enough and wasn’t logging into here again.

 

...... it’s a long time ago and I don’t recall the exact details. 

Thanks for explaining. I missed all that.

[LanguedocFox]

28 minutes ago, NewquayFox said:

I think Rodgers would love us to progress in The FA Cup, looking at a few of the posts in this thread I keep seeing Mendy & Choudhury playing together and Perez & Iheanacho together, both a definite no for me, the ball will be stuck in the defensive side of the centre circle with no support for Iheanacho.

Would prefer us to ‘go for it’ and not go all defensive, our players are supreme athletes  and should easily manage 2 games a week...

Kasper

Ricardo

Amartay

Soyuncu

Justin

Choudhury

Ünder

Tielemans

Maddison

Barnes

Vardy

Get this game out of Brighton’s reach in 55/60 minutes then bring on the 5 subs allowed, The FA Cup is every fans dream... 

I tend to agree with you. Like you, I’d love City to win the FA Cup at least once before I turn me toes up. And we have the players who can do it.

 

Mind you, winning the Europa League and the Prem would also be good.

[Jimothy]

8 hours ago, LanguedocFox said:

Can we all be let in on the secret ?

 

8 hours ago, Sly said:

Thracian watched a fair amount of the youth setup and championed a lot of them to be given a chance within the first team.

 

He’d often write long winded posts, outlining his reasons for supporting them and was quite direct and argumentative in his approach. 
 

One day he went out in a blaze or glory and stated he’d had enough and wasn’t logging into here again.

 

...... it’s a long time ago and I don’t recall the exact details. 

Pretty sure he started making extremely offensive homophobic posts in general chat. Linking homosexuality with paedophilia was on thing I think.

[jayfox26]

The biggest issue in the cup vs league position debate for me is financial. We all have no idea what our clubs/owners finances look like but what we do know is that since we won the league, it seems like we have had to sell to buy. Kante had a release clause which we could do nothing about but the sales of Mahrez, Maguire and Chilwell enabled us to spend money on improving the squad which we might otherwise not have been able to. We now have a really good squad with top quality players in key positions and a squad we all so desperately want to keep together. We also know we need a striker in the summer, possibly a left back and maybe a centre back and another midfielder, all in varying degrees of a desperate need. The only way we will be able to add the quality needed to improve the squad in the summer, without selling anyone, is by gaining extra money from champions league qualification. I totally understand the want to win the fa cup but with our squad being so tight due to injuries, we need to manage the players fitness and game time accordingly in order to make sure we dont finish the season like we did last year. 

[LVFox]

With Europa League coming up, and the top 4 race going to be really tight I think the time has come to prioritise those over the FA Cup (As much as I would of course love a cup win).

 

                        Ward

        Amartey Soyuncu Fuchs

Albrighton Mendy Hamza Thomas

               Under       Perez

                   Iheanacho

 

Have the big guns on the bench ready to bring on with 30 minutes to go if we are chasing the game

[Grebfromgrebland]

We've got more chance of winning the Europa League than the FA cup

[Alan Frost]

1 hour ago, NewquayFox said:

I think Rodgers would love us to progress in The FA Cup, looking at a few of the posts in this thread I keep seeing Mendy & Choudhury playing together and Perez & Iheanacho together, both a definite no for me, the ball will be stuck in the defensive side of the centre circle with no support for Iheanacho.

Would prefer us to ‘go for it’ and not go all defensive, our players are supreme athletes  and should easily manage 2 games a week...

Kasper

Ricardo

Amartay

Soyuncu

Justin

Choudhury

Ünder

Tielemans

Maddison

Barnes

Vardy

Get this game out of Brighton’s reach in 55/60 minutes then bring on the 5 subs allowed, The FA Cup is every fans dream... 

Like your team and common sense. I might change the formation a bit and go for Amartey or Mendy in place of Choudhury but your team should be enough and chy probably needs another confidence booster more than Amartey or Mendy.. They are more pragmatic and just get on with things like Justin, vardy, Barnes and Kasper. Might go to penalties , so we need our best shot stopper and morale booster goalie. IF Kasper really decides we want a win Brighton will have a tough job.

[davieG]

https://www.brightonandhoveindependent.co.uk/sport/football/brighton-and-hove-albion/graham-potter-confirms-five-injured-leicester-fa-cup-tie-3128470

 

Graham Potter confirms FIVE injured for Leicester FA Cup tie
Adam Webster will miss Brighton’s FA Cup fifth-round clash with Leicester.
By Derren Howard
Tuesday, 9th February 2021, 8:10 am

The 26-year-old defender rolled his ankle in the 1-1 draw against Burnley on Saturday and will not be involved at the King Power Stadium on Wednesday night.

Webster has been in superb form recently as Graham Potter’s side secured three straight clean sheets against Leeds, Tottenham and Premier League champions Liverpool.

Albion boss Potter is unsure whether the centre-half will recover in time for Brighton’s league game at home against Aston Villa at the weekend.

“Adam Webster isn’t too bad. He has a bit of swelling,” said Potter. “Wednesday is too soon and we’ll wait and see for Saturday.

“We’ll know more over the next few days but it isn’t a serious one, he’s rolled his ankle.”

Potter also confirmed that Solly March, who suffered a knee injury in the 1-0 win at Liverpool last week, is out for 12 weeks but has undergone successfully surgery.

“Solly has had his operation and it’s gone well, that’s good for him and us,” said the Brighton boss.

“The recovery will be slow but necessary, it’s a blow because he’s been really good, but that’s football.”

Tariq Lamptey (hamstring) , Alireza Jahanbakhsh (hamstring) and Davy Propper (groin) are all sidelined.

"The Leicester game will be too soon [for Propper],"said Potter. "He has an outside chance of Aston Villa, but more likely Crystal Palace.

"It has been a frustrating situation for Davy for different reasons but we will help him and support him through this last little set back.

"It is not a major one and we are expecting him back in the next few days and hopefully he can have a really good second half of the season as he's an important player for us."

Brighton have lost just once in 2021, a 1-0 defeat to in-form Manchester City, but Leicester present another tough opponent for Potter’s men.

“They are having a fantastic season, third in the Premier League and through in the Europa League as well,” said Potter.

“Brendan Rodgers is a top, top coach, they have very good players and have recruited very well. Their togetherness means that even when they might not have their first 11 out they are still a top team.”

Steven Alzate could be set for another midweek outing against the Foxes.

The midfielder scored the winner at Anfield last Wednesday but did not come off the bench in the subsequent draw at Burnley.

“Two days was a really short turnaround and he had a big night with 90 minutes at Liverpool,” said Potter.

“He hadn’t had that for a while so, just from a loading perspective, it was probably high risk going into the (Burnley) game.

“With the season he has had, with little bits of illness and injury, we just felt it was fair on him to see if he could help us off the bench.

“He wasn’t needed but it gives him chance to recover fully and we can think about him for the next match.”

Goalkeeper Jason Steele has recovered from a recent illness and is fit enough to take his place in the squad this Wednesday but Christian Walton, who played in the previous FA Cup round against Blackpool, is expected to start in goal.

[KFS]

Far from an easy game but the injuries help. Really want us to go all out for the FA cup!

[Alan Frost]

19 minutes ago, davieG said:

https://www.brightonandhoveindependent.co.uk/sport/football/brighton-and-hove-albion/graham-potter-confirms-five-injured-leicester-fa-cup-tie-3128470

 

Graham Potter confirms FIVE injured for Leicester FA Cup tie
Adam Webster will miss Brighton’s FA Cup fifth-round clash with Leicester.
By Derren Howard
Tuesday, 9th February 2021, 8:10 am

The 26-year-old defender rolled his ankle in the 1-1 draw against Burnley on Saturday and will not be involved at the King Power Stadium on Wednesday night.

Webster has been in superb form recently as Graham Potter’s side secured three straight clean sheets against Leeds, Tottenham and Premier League champions Liverpool.

Albion boss Potter is unsure whether the centre-half will recover in time for Brighton’s league game at home against Aston Villa at the weekend.

“Adam Webster isn’t too bad. He has a bit of swelling,” said Potter. “Wednesday is too soon and we’ll wait and see for Saturday.

“We’ll know more over the next few days but it isn’t a serious one, he’s rolled his ankle.”

Potter also confirmed that Solly March, who suffered a knee injury in the 1-0 win at Liverpool last week, is out for 12 weeks but has undergone successfully surgery.

“Solly has had his operation and it’s gone well, that’s good for him and us,” said the Brighton boss.

“The recovery will be slow but necessary, it’s a blow because he’s been really good, but that’s football.”

Tariq Lamptey (hamstring) , Alireza Jahanbakhsh (hamstring) and Davy Propper (groin) are all sidelined.

"The Leicester game will be too soon [for Propper],"said Potter. "He has an outside chance of Aston Villa, but more likely Crystal Palace.

"It has been a frustrating situation for Davy for different reasons but we will help him and support him through this last little set back.

"It is not a major one and we are expecting him back in the next few days and hopefully he can have a really good second half of the season as he's an important player for us."

Brighton have lost just once in 2021, a 1-0 defeat to in-form Manchester City, but Leicester present another tough opponent for Potter’s men.

“They are having a fantastic season, third in the Premier League and through in the Europa League as well,” said Potter.

“Brendan Rodgers is a top, top coach, they have very good players and have recruited very well. Their togetherness means that even when they might not have their first 11 out they are still a top team.”

Steven Alzate could be set for another midweek outing against the Foxes.

The midfielder scored the winner at Anfield last Wednesday but did not come off the bench in the subsequent draw at Burnley.

“Two days was a really short turnaround and he had a big night with 90 minutes at Liverpool,” said Potter.

“He hadn’t had that for a while so, just from a loading perspective, it was probably high risk going into the (Burnley) game.

“With the season he has had, with little bits of illness and injury, we just felt it was fair on him to see if he could help us off the bench.

“He wasn’t needed but it gives him chance to recover fully and we can think about him for the next match.”

Goalkeeper Jason Steele has recovered from a recent illness and is fit enough to take his place in the squad this Wednesday but Christian Walton, who played in the previous FA Cup round against Blackpool, is expected to start in goal.

Suppose its inevitably a bit of a bluffing game between Graham Potter and BR. Used to be a sport.I don't think BR's a fool so I'll back him, and in any case I've got no choice which is as it should be.I hope if they do leave anyone out its taller guys. I suppose one answer is to trust G. Potter and have either a weaker bench and a stronger  team or a strong bench  and a weaker team.Make 3 changes or not as appropriate after 15 minutes and the rest after say 60 minutes (or not). With 22 players on a pitch 2 substitutes don't make a lot of difference over 30 minutes but might help. Anyway its out of my pay grade or knowledge. I know nothing but I'd be going hard for a win and would pencil in my Liverpool team before thinking about Brighton. Don't know much about football (who does) but I try and help and have never got  comfortable on a fence yet.

Edited 9 February 2021 by Alan Frost

[UHDrive]

1 hour ago, LVocey said:

With Europa League coming up, and the top 4 race going to be really tight I think the time has come to prioritise those over the FA Cup (As much as I would of course love a cup win).

 

                        Ward

        Amartey Soyuncu Fuchs

Albrighton Mendy Hamza Thomas

               Under       Perez

                   Iheanacho

 

Have the big guns on the bench ready to bring on with 30 minutes to go if we are chasing the game

Oh gosh. We'll get thrashed with that formation! Hamza and Mendy wohldnt work, totally different DM's and I'm not even sured they've played together? Not sure thomas has played first team left side back 5 fullback. Perez would be disastrous on the left side. I'd rather play JJ as mid CB and push soyuncu to the left with Fuchs in Thomas's position. Fuchs isnt the quickest but with that team we will need albrighton and Fuchs to just be whipping balls in to nacho.