Les-TA-Jon Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Danny Clender said: True, without Barnes and Maddison, his goal stats have dwindled. I just wonder which position he'd become less productive in first...the goal supporting role or the goal dependant role. It's the conversation we all don't want to have really . We'll get to see the the succession plan over the next few months I guess. I agree though, I think the 2 up top system is the safest choice tomorrow. That's already happened though right? His supporting role has still been decent and Nacho's goalscoring run has dug us out of a hole, but Vardy's goalscoring has demonstrably already dried up. What is it, 2 in 24 games or something? Edited 17 May 2021 by Les-TA-Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AKCJ Posted 17 May 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 17 May 2021 Kasper Castagne Fofana Soyuncu Albrighton Ndidi Tielemans Thomas Maddison Vardy Iheanacho 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM1968 Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 27 minutes ago, jerry said: so we need the Champions League to sustain obscene wages and transfer fees having been praised for not being one of the greedy big 6 ! Europa League and a sensible budget are fine by me. Coming Fourth in the Premier , sorry can't get excited by that. Shame the format of the European Cup was altered due to commercial reasons but that says everything about current trends. Will always support my team regardless and just happy to have won the League and Cup which I never thought possible.🏆✌ It doesn’t mean we HAVE to do that at all. We should still be Uber pragmatic. There are quality players out there for reasonable cost who might be more inclined to come IF we get CL football. There are players in our own team who might be more inclined to stay if we attain CL football. It is the pinnacle that ALL players look towards and strive to attain. Being unable to offer that is significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Clender Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 Just now, Les-TA-Jon said: That's already happened though right? His supporting role has still been decent and Nacho's goalscoring run has dug us out of a whole, but Vardy's goalscoring has demonstrably already dried up. What is it, 2 in 24 games or something? Yes, this has happened, he's been incredibly productive for Nacho and the season on the whole. I'm just looking ahead to when Barnes is back, Maddison's hip is back and we may have a right sided forward available. I wonder which position Vardy would be happiest and most productive then? I feel he may find it harder to play as a secondary / joint striker over being the main focus of attack. I'm not completely sold of that vision of Vardy maintaining his current role going forward, especially once Barnes takes that spot again. I'm confident he's got one more season at the highest level of expectancies, perhaps with a few more breaks in between games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 I figured Ünder had already gone back to Italy, I dont think he was at the stadium on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 Maybe in the games against Soton and Newcastle the players had the final on their minds. We've won it now, the pressure is off. It could be a totally different performance. The match is 50-50,weve got a very decent chance. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGLCFC Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 Just got a feeling that it will 1 - 1 v Chelsea on Tuesday, then Burnley beat Liverpool 2 -0 with an aerial bombardment and agent Wood scores both goals. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hales Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 (edited) The players will be pumped up for this and on a "post - we beat Chelsea and won the FA cup - high"! I have every faith they can do it! The players that didn't feature in the final will also be desperate to get out there and play so handy to have fresh legs if needed. Edited 17 May 2021 by Hales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thursday_next Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 It's been a terrible week for Chelsea - City beating Man Utd, themselves losing to Arsenal, Liverpool again beating Man Utd, Friday off (thank goodness), the FA Cup final and lastly Allison's last-gasp goal against West Brom. It must seem like the football gods have abandoned Chelsea. Plus the general feeling of pissed-offedness about their club and Abramovich in particular. There is no better time to play them. As long as we get the first goal, that is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 14 minutes ago, lgfualol said: I figured Ünder had already gone back to Italy, I dont think he was at the stadium on Saturday? I was surprised he wasn't in any of the pics/vids. Even if injured, surely still goes on the day for the team and his bestie Soy! Bit odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 2 minutes ago, thursday_next said: It's been a terrible week for Chelsea - City beating Man Utd, themselves losing to Arsenal, Liverpool again beating Man Utd, Friday off (thank goodness), the FA Cup final and lastly Allison's last-gasp goal against West Brom. It must seem like the football gods have abandoned Chelsea. Plus the general feeling of pissed-offedness about their club and Abramovich in particular. There is no better time to play them. As long as we get the first goal, that is. Their women’s team got absolutely battered last night by Barcelona in the Champions League Final as well, could really end up being one of the worst weeks in the clubs history competition wise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 26 minutes ago, STUHILL said: I was surprised he wasn't in any of the pics/vids. Even if injured, surely still goes on the day for the team and his bestie Soy! Bit odd Yeah, he should be able to collect a medal too. Very weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerblod Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 2 hours ago, fuchsntf said: But this is what the fans will have to accept...and examples of some posts over These last 2 years...some still cant get it into their heads... This even After Club & manager statements, over our Financial possibilities, and difficulties... We Dont have the financial-clout...to compete with...1St levels...Man.city...Manutd,L'pool, & Chelsea... 2nd !evels Arsenal, Spurs , Maybe even Everton/Newcastle/WHam.... If We Qualify for CL, it still would mean we would have to wait 1-3 seasons, before we could go into that 2-4 players at £40-80+mill . Then their expected wages.....!! Then negative Critics Conveniently forgetting....How quick a decimated squad Hits you, & turning out deciding results at the Business Side of EOS-run-ins... Management & Rodgers continual statements... No guarantee that we can break & grab continually into that honey-pot...Aspiration & ambition is to compete,contend & irritate, but more so than what we have done in the past.... That is & will be the seasonal-achievements... Thats why & where I see the modern Spurs, they too can't compete with those top 4 clubs, but like Arsenal still have more Ressources and the wider Catchment with Reputation Area than we do. So Spurs, Arsenal, a strong A.Villa,Everton, W.Ham, & Leeds I See as our Real Top 4-7 competitors for the Next few years. Then there are always the unknown factors & team,that will come along & Knock a dent into our ambitions.... Our strengths will be using & holding onto this fearless spirited, but still slightly underdog projection. Superb summation of City's situation. It's time for Top to try something different - to turn City into the German model - voluntarily. The clubs have always treated the fans on an English feudal model - as if it's somehow a privilege to be a supporter. It's not - it's a privilege for the club to be supported. Never mind a free beer and 'clackers' - Covid has shown us how critical fans are to the whole being of football. Continuity is key in this - that and a level of treatment that raises the club into a community. This thread isn't about the direction the club follows - but there's so much Top and the 'board' could capitalise (sorry - bad choice of word) on at this period of success, to optimise income in ways the Yankee spivs and the fossil-fuel mob could and would not tolerate. Ever since '15-'16 we've been touted as the club doing it differently (but god forbid differently enough to rock the status quo). If we changed the model then perhaps our kind of success would lead to those other big clubs you mentioned democratising their models. Watching the reaction of the Chelsea players when Wes put into our net and when Alisson scored late on against the Baggies reeked of a kind of desperation and relief more than joy. That's what's going on in them 'big' clubs - the desperation to win. It's not pretty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gerblod Posted 17 May 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 17 May 2021 58 minutes ago, lgfualol said: I figured Ünder had already gone back to Italy, I dont think he was at the stadium on Saturday? Sad - because he's not acted like Mahrez in this. He's worked his socks off whenever given the opportunity. Surely he deserves some acknowledgement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachhere Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 It's a shame he wasn't there. His goal at Brentford was an important one for getting us into the match. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: Kasper Castagne Fofana Soyuncu Albrighton Ndidi Tielemans Thomas Maddison Vardy Iheanacho Think Brendan will start Perez again instead of Maddison. Perez's workrate and positioning is extremely important given the way Chelsea play. Offensively he might not have done much in the cup game, but he blocked the passing lanes and pressed his man to a very high standard. The goal came from his interception on James' pass. I think it will be the classic case of Perez till 60, then Maddison on for the final 30. Actually Perez could even end up staying on for longer, as Vardy is the most likely player to be withdrawn. This team could understandably be knackered though! If we are behind Riccy P will come on for sure, maybe Praet too. If we are ahead, expect the Hamza / Big Wes double act to come for the sequel! We know we can compete in the game, but it depends how much energy is left in the tank. If Chelsea win, it will be through having a deeper squad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 (edited) I get the risk playing the same team in terms of fatigue, but the grit and bottle they showed on Saturday is exactly the 11 we need out there tomorrow IMO. Obviously a plan B might be needed as I think Tuchel will try take Tielemans out the game and we may need Maddison on earlier to help create things for us. It is going to be another tight and nervy game unless some luck swings either way. I imagine quite a few changes coming from Chelsea but huge pressure on them and their confidence has taken a big hit recently. Just hope we have enough left in the tank to somehow get the win. Edited 17 May 2021 by STUHILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachhere Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 Kasper Castagne Fofana Soyuncu Albrighton Ndidi Tielemans Ricardo Perez Vardy Iheanacho I think Luke will be feeling it more than most, so I would rest him for this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue ROI Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 After a bit of New Manager Bounce from Tuchel suddenly Chelsea have started to look a bit rattled. There is a hint of where we were at the end of last season and in this case they are fighting battles on 3 fronts. Don't want to be negative here after the euphoria of Saturday but backlash or no backlash you would imagine that Chelsea won't miss out on all 3 aims and this is probably the most likely one to succeed. There's bound to be a danger of another Brighton 2014 on the cards but if we can put in a shift I'll be happy and with a bit of luck who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Blues Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 I really think Tuchel got his selection wrong on Saturday. I think we'll see Havertz, Pulisic, and Chilwell. I think it makes sense to rotate a few players and give Chelsea a new look to deal with. Schmeichel Castagne - Fofana - Soyuncu - Thomas Tielemans - Ndidi Pereira - Maddison - Albrighton Vardy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopla10 Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 I think BR summed it up perfectly at the end of the FA cup game. We're not a club with the sort of financial resources that the traditional big six have (if we did we'd have been invited into the SL) but we can compete. I like to believe that means on the pitch but also off it. The CL isn't some holy grail or some vital stepping-stone to becoming a "big" club. I know pundits like to bang on about the importance of the top four but that's kind of their job, it's what they get paid for. They're putting on the show. But it's not actually that important. What it will enable us to do though is give us another cup to be competitive in. Finishing top 5 and the FA cup would be an insane end to the season. Nobody really knows how Chelsea will respond to losing the cup final. I literally have no idea how this will go. Both teams could win it. Having fans in their stadium will boost them but could also motivate some of our players who feed off that. They have a larger squad depth so tired legs could come into it for us but too many changes could unbalance them. We need to be controlled, not overly commit our defense pushing up and not let them run in behind. I think Chelsea will start on the front foot and want to get a goal fast. Nacho will get chances and I think if Mads starts he'll open things up for us. Probably ends 0-0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gw_leics772 Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, gerblod said: Superb summation of City's situation. It's time for Top to try something different - to turn City into the German model - voluntarily. The clubs have always treated the fans on an English feudal model - as if it's somehow a privilege to be a supporter. It's not - it's a privilege for the club to be supported. Never mind a free beer and 'clackers' - Covid has shown us how critical fans are to the whole being of football. Continuity is key in this - that and a level of treatment that raises the club into a community. This thread isn't about the direction the club follows - but there's so much Top and the 'board' could capitalise (sorry - bad choice of word) on at this period of success, to optimise income in ways the Yankee spivs and the fossil-fuel mob could and would not tolerate. Ever since '15-'16 we've been touted as the club doing it differently (but god forbid differently enough to rock the status quo). If we changed the model then perhaps our kind of success would lead to those other big clubs you mentioned democratising their models. Watching the reaction of the Chelsea players when Wes put into our net and when Alisson scored late on against the Baggies reeked of a kind of desperation and relief more than joy. That's what's going on in them 'big' clubs - the desperation to win. It's not pretty. I know this isn't the thread for it but I get the feeling top would be up for this,( even if only for the pr/commercial angle {great idea btw}), and we as fans would happily leave them to it to a large extent, such is our rightful trust in them. Edited 17 May 2021 by gw_leics772 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 56 minutes ago, gerblod said: Sad - because he's not acted like Mahrez in this. He's worked his socks off whenever given the opportunity. Surely he deserves some acknowledgement. Wow, I'd forgotten all about Under and assumed he'd indeed gone back to Roma.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 17 May 2021 Share Posted 17 May 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, gerblod said: Sad - because he's not acted like Mahrez in this. He's worked his socks off whenever given the opportunity. Surely he deserves some acknowledgement. Is it that sad? He deserves **** all he’s useless and we’re paying him a lot of money to do so. Not once on Saturday did I think ‘oooh where’s under’ Edited 17 May 2021 by TJB-fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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