Boubakary Soumare

[JimmyC74]

11 minutes ago, Steve Earle said:

And may well finish ahead of us in the league table.

 

There’s something profoundly wrong at our club and I can’t put my finger on it. It’s not as simple as ‘Rodgers has lost it’ or ‘Rudkin’s fault’ or all down to Congerton.

 

Has Top got more pressing problems, or lost some interest?

 

Maybe its a combination of factors but we have a squad that looks shot & mentally fragile & a manager who isn’t showing the leadership the team needs.

 

Its a worry for sure 

Mentality or lack of it comes from the manager. BR is responsible full stop there.

 

We have some first class people running our business such as Susan Whelan but I think Rudders is way below best in class. Congerton was a disaster and we will have to see how Glover performs going forward.

 

I don’t think there is need to question Top. Based on his statements about making the club perfect as a legacy for his Dad I am sure he continues to want success. I imagine he wanted to give BR the opportunity to turn things around (especially after delivering the FA Cup) but we are at the stage that a change is needed.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

'fightforever' did a brilliant post yesterday on the Patson Daka thread on how we buying players and playing them in formations that are totally alien to what they are used to.

 Quote ' fightforever' 

      "We bought Soumare a box to box midfielder even though we play with a deep lying playmaker and ball winning midfielder "

Edited 21 August 2022 by CrispinLA in Texas

[VLC86]

4 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

'fightforever' did a brilliant post yesterday on the Patson Daka thread on how we buying playing and playing them in formations that are totally alien to what they are used to.

 Quote ' fightforever' 

      "We bought Soumare a box to box midfielder even though we play with a deep lying playmaker and ball winning midfielder "

We have played him in a few positions with the same result nearly every time. 
 

Someone told me that Newcastle wanted him and he couldn’t be arsed to see their training ground so he got a video tour on teams . This is the man we are dealing with.

[The_77]

3 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

6 goals in 37 appearances for them last season and so far this. 6 goals in 56 for us over 3 seasons. So no he hasn't made massive strides but his stats show an improvement in an otherwise poor side.  I'm not saying we shouldn't have let him go or that I'd want him back. Just that players tend to do better when they move on. I could ague the same for Chilwell, look at the stick he got in here. But he did very well at Chelsea up to his injury.

What stats are you pulling here for Gray at Leicester?

[Fazzer 7]

7 minutes ago, The_77 said:

What stats are you pulling here for Gray at Leicester?

Just Googled and looked at the first that came up 

[whitwickfox]

1 hour ago, Phenom said:

Palace have passed us in recruitment and player development.

and management

[HoustonFox]

31 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

We have played him in a few positions with the same result nearly every time. 
 

Someone told me that Newcastle wanted him and he couldn’t be arsed to see their training ground so he got a video tour on teams . This is the man we are dealing with.

To be fair, it’s Newcastle 

[iancognito]

6 minutes ago, JimmyC74 said:

Mentality or lack of it comes from the manager. BR is responsible full stop there.

 

We have some first class people running our business such as Susan Whelan but I think Rudders is way below best in class. Congerton was a disaster and we will have to see how Glover performs going forward.

 

I don’t think there is need to question Top. Based on his statements about making the club perfect as a legacy for his Dad I am sure he continues to want success. I imagine he wanted to give BR the opportunity to turn things around (especially after delivering the FA Cup) but we are at the stage that a change is needed.

Nothing can be pinned on Top. I don't think he or his father ever pretended to be football geniuses but they have appointed people to make the best decisions for the business. The very fact he's trying to invest in the ground expansion and village thing behind it shows he's still got the desire going forward. The new HOR is absolutely crucial. This will be about the 3rd one since Walsh left and all 3 have been bloody awful in comparison. We've gotten away from the ethos of buying up & coming players hungry for success. We need to reset and if Glover doesn't work out, Rudkin will be under huge pressue, probably for the first time since the Thais came in because for the first time in 10 years we're not on an upward curve.

[JimmyC74]

3 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Nothing can be pinned on Top. I don't think he or his father ever pretended to be football geniuses but they have appointed people to make the best decisions for the business. The very fact he's trying to invest in the ground expansion and village thing behind it shows he's still got the desire going forward. The new HOR is absolutely crucial. This will be about the 3rd one since Walsh left and all 3 have been bloody awful in comparison. We've gotten away from the ethos of buying up & coming players hungry for success. We need to reset and if Glover doesn't work out, Rudkin will be under huge pressue, probably for the first time since the Thais came in because for the first time in 10 years we're not on an upward curve.

Yes. Agreed

[Dahnsouff]

21 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Nothing can be pinned on Top. I don't think he or his father ever pretended to be football geniuses but they have appointed people to make the best decisions for the business. The very fact he's trying to invest in the ground expansion and village thing behind it shows he's still got the desire going forward. The new HOR is absolutely crucial. This will be about the 3rd one since Walsh left and all 3 have been bloody awful in comparison. We've gotten away from the ethos of buying up & coming players hungry for success. We need to reset and if Glover doesn't work out, Rudkin will be under huge pressue, probably for the first time since the Thais came in because for the first time in 10 years we're not on an upward curve.

Buck stops at the top, always must. He isn’t some child being hoodwinked via collection of charlatans, and he is far more savvy than you are giving him credit for, I am sure he is well aware of the situation. Maybe he is just sick of the circus at last.

[majaco]

1 hour ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

As have 99% of the division, we’re an absolute mess

Each team represents 5% of the division.

 

But then, we do seem to be self-defeating at times.

[iancognito]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Buck stops at the top, always must. He isn’t some child being hoodwinked via collection of charlatans, and he is far more savvy than you are giving him credit for, I am sure he is well aware of the situation. Maybe he is just sick of the circus at last.

No you misunderstand me. He's not a billionaire for no reason, him and Vichai were hard-nosed businessmen. You fail, they sack you, as Sousa, Sven, Ranieri and Puel all found out. His ambitions are huge, more so now because he's overseeing the Boss's legacy. He's completely aware of the situation and the fact he's seen all three games so far is pretty telling because he was absent for a lot of the run-in last season. He's already said he was expecting a busy window and the change in medical team is designed to help us finish higher than 8th. The buck obviously stops at him and this is why I'm saying Rudkin, not just Rodgers will be under pressure. Whelan runs the business side of the club, Rudkin runs the football side. If the football side is failing he'll have rid of whoever is responsible for that.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, iancognito said:

No you misunderstand me. He's not a billionaire for no reason, him and Vichai were hard-nosed businessmen. You fail, they sack you, as Sousa, Sven, Ranieri and Puel all found out. His ambitions are huge, more so now because he's overseeing the Boss's legacy. He's completely aware of the situation and the fact he's seen all three games so far is pretty telling because he was absent for a lot of the run-in last season. He's already said he was expecting a busy window and the change in medical team is designed to help us finish higher than 8th. The buck obviously stops at him and this is why I'm saying Rudkin, not just Rodgers will be under pressure. Whelan runs the business side of the club, Rudkin runs the football side. If the football side is failing he'll have rid of whoever is responsible for that.

My bad, right you are. 

[funkyrobot]

On 21/08/2022 at 12:04, Fazzer 7 said:

6 goals in 37 appearances for them last season and so far this. 6 goals in 56 for us over 3 seasons. So no he hasn't made massive strides but his stats show an improvement in an otherwise poor side.  I'm not saying we shouldn't have let him go or that I'd want him back. Just that players tend to do better when they move on. I could ague the same for Chilwell, look at the stick he got in here. But he did very well at Chelsea up to his injury.

Chilwell’s playing with better players around him and doesn’t have to defend much at Chelsea. Suits his strength.

[Clarkey123]

22 hours ago, whitwickfox said:

and management

Viera certainly starting to look like he’s heading up the management ladder.

[An Away Move]

22 hours ago, iancognito said:

No you misunderstand me. He's not a billionaire for no reason, him and Vichai were hard-nosed businessmen. You fail, they sack you, as Sousa, Sven, Ranieri and Puel all found out. His ambitions are huge, more so now because he's overseeing the Boss's legacy. He's completely aware of the situation and the fact he's seen all three games so far is pretty telling because he was absent for a lot of the run-in last season. He's already said he was expecting a busy window and the change in medical team is designed to help us finish higher than 8th. The buck obviously stops at him and this is why I'm saying Rudkin, not just Rodgers will be under pressure. Whelan runs the business side of the club, Rudkin runs the football side. If the football side is failing he'll have rid of whoever is responsible for that.

I know someone who has had dealings with Rudkin and am told his instinct, contrary to what some believe on here, is to quite tight with the purse strings. This is in response to the old days when we apparently overpaid players and were poor negotiators. If true it might make it harder for us to get the players we really want in.  

[Lambert09]

5 minutes ago, An Away Move said:

I know someone who has had dealings with Rudkin and am told his instinct, contrary to what some believe on here, is to quite tight with the purse strings. This is in response to the old days when we apparently overpaid players and were poor negotiators. If true it might make it harder for us to get the players we really want in.  

I actually fully understand what we were trying to do as a club. It mean that you become a destination for top players, you can hold onto your stars and youth players have extra motivation to earn that contract. 

 

The problem is when it goes wrong it’s a nightmare to shift people. But would you rather protect your assets or have it easier to sell duds. 

 

The problem is two things, FFP moving the goal posts and the fact that our recruitment has been so bad recently. 

 

Without our model though, we don’t land fofana, youri or castagne for example.  As other clubs would be willing to give them the dosh. 

 

[lcfc_forever]

1 hour ago, Clarkey123 said:

Viera certainly starting to look like he’s heading up the management ladder.

I think he should have got manager of the season last year. 

 

For him to turn around Palace with so many new players and new playing style, remarkable. And they look a good side again this season. 

[LFox99]

 

[GingerrrFox]

We shouldn’t be selling this lad under any circumstances. I guarantee under the right manager who will put their arm round him and give him the love he needs he will be absolutely mustard in this league. He’s the type of player you make feel special and you get what you want out of him. 

Edited 22 August 2022 by GingerrrFox

[Richmondfox]

6 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

We shouldn’t be selling this lad under any circumstances. I guarantee under the right manager who will put their arm round him and give him the love he needs he will be absolutely mustard in this league. He’s the type of player you make feel special and you get what you want out of him. 

He shouldn’t need an arm around him to suddenly stop watching players run past him with the ball then slowly jog after them. 

[sm1]

35 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

He shouldn’t need an arm around him to suddenly stop watching players run past him with the ball then slowly jog after them. 

Rodgers should try emulating Ryan Giggs and write some poems to Soumare to make him feel loved "you are the jam in my donut" 🤣

[An Away Move]

The very fact Viera, of all people, can see the player Soumare can be should be a red flag about how Rodgers has managed him. 
 

I wouldn’t be against us going for Viera as our next manager. 

[Cincinnati Fox]

I hate rodgers

[lanefox]

After the pre-season he had  I’m shocked he’s not even getting on the bench