A voice of Reason.

[filbertway]

6 hours ago, Ashley said:

Firstly, I'm angry right now after today. We controlled the game went 1-0 up then shït it. 

 

On another note, I don't think we can sack Brendan. 

 

We sell Fofana for £80/£85m what ever the fee may be then sack Rodgers. 

 

We owe 20% of the profits to St Ettiene then we would owe Rodgers £30m. That's is practically that money gone. 

 

Then adding to that, who takes the job? Who could we get that is good enough to turn us around and meet or expectations?

Literally anyone that can coach a group of international players. 

 

The answer is Graham Potter and we go hard for him.

[Motty]

2 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

Not sure if that's true but we would also have to pay off all his staff too and there's a lot of them. 

shame cos my sxxt gets flushed and is forgotten

[Chrysalis]

9 hours ago, iancognito said:

I want to know what's gone on between about March/ April time when all the talk was of surgery to the squad - and even Top himslef said at the end of the season he was expecting a busy transfer window - to now when it seems to be a total rift between Rodgers and the board about any players coming in. He's making remarks about it at almost every opportunity, even saying in today's post-match that the fans haven't had the lift of new signings and are rightly frustrated.

Whatever is going on behind the scenes, it needs sorting out. You cannot have what, until 6 months ago, was a well-run outfit fall apart like it is doing. He's not covering himself in glory with his actions right now and that surely passes on to the players but everyone agreed the squad needed a rebuild and it's not actually his fault that hasn't happened. It should have been adressed in the summer and everyone either agree to shut up and get on with it, or part ways. We're looking like a bunch of tits withthe 4th highest paid manager throwing his toys out after 3 games.

I will speculate, these are all possible reasons, potentially a mix of them.

 

1 - KP has suffered heavily because of covid, I posted in another Thailand was down from 10s of millions of tourists to hundreds of thousands in recent statistics on a news report.

2 - The FFP, this got changed late last season.  Although there would have been a draft the club should have kept abreast off prior to it going official.

3 - Potentially the club might actually be able to spend but maybe they simply dont want to give Rodgers more money which would indicate they no longer trust him as our manager and perhaps whats saving him is the cost of giving him the boot.

Edited 21 August 2022 by Chrysalis

[Chrysalis]

8 hours ago, iancognito said:

This.

 

King Power itself has barely put a penny of it's own money towards player purchases since that initial season under Sven, certainly since hitting the Prem. The TV & sponsoship money covers virtually everything we do football-wise. The only place that gets that KP input is the infrastructure of the training ground, expansions and club development.

There is cashflow, e.g. a reason Norwich can never spend is the TV money isnt paid start of season, so by the time they get it, the transfer window is closed.

 

Plus KP have been lending us money.

 

Looking at what we spend, our wages etc. I think there has been injections here and there, its just too tight otherwise.  Although we have been getting these commercial loans secure on Mahrez fee and TV money to provide cashflow, but I dont think those have been quite enough in the last few years due to combination of covid and not forcing big player sales on Rodgers.

[UniFox21]

I've just ran out of words really. Not sure where we're going, not sure what the plan is, not sure if Rodgers has a clue anymore. 

 

Can see the being an agreement around Christmas for him to step down and we pay him some of his contact, as this just can't go on

[foxinsox]

13 hours ago, Hitesh said:

But who would want to come here? We need to come off our pedastal as we're likely to end up with someone like Dyche 

Frankly, I would have Dyche.

 

Under him Burnley fought and overactive on a tiny budget. Shithoused it at times, but knew how to defend. 

 

 

[foxinsox]

1 hour ago, UniFox21 said:

I've just ran out of words really. Not sure where we're going, not sure what the plan is, not sure if Rodgers has a clue anymore. 

 

Can see the being an agreement around Christmas for him to step down and we pay him some of his contact, as this just can't go on

If we wait for Christmas it maybe too late. 

 

We have the players to stay up, but not the manager. Sacking Brendan is far far cheaper than relegation.

[Hitesh]

21 minutes ago, foxinsox said:

Frankly, I would have Dyche.

 

Under him Burnley fought and overactive on a tiny budget. Shithoused it at times, but knew how to defend. 

 

 

That might be great for the short term but don't expect the likes of Madders, Fofana, Tielemans to be joining the club.  It's a poor move for the future and building a side, especially with a refresh needed next summer

[volpeazzurro]

13 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Club has two choices.....

 

1) sack him 

 

Or 

 

2) Go and buy 2-3 good players with the money and try and give the others a boost.

Has to be the first. We can't trust Rodgers to pick any players. If the club buys them using their older model of recruitment then the chances are that Rodgers will either refuse to play them or play them out of position. 

[roblcfc84]

Think Ruskin and Dyche are friends, so they may see it as a short-term solution

[iancognito]

7 hours ago, foxinsox said:

If we wait for Christmas it maybe too late. 

 

We have the players to stay up, but not the manager. Sacking Brendan is far far cheaper than relegation.

Not really. The World Cup break in the middle means that it's a Boxing Day restart. We have 13 more games before that November break up. If they get rid of Rodgers in November the new manager has a good 6 weeks to work with the majority of the players, have closed doors games etc and then a January window to bring his own players in for a 22 game run-in.

Personally because of his recent interviews basically blaming the board for not bringing people in, I think Rodgers is toast but he's not been helped by the open window unsettling players and inevitably the squad so he at least needs a chance to get a few points on the board and sort this mess out.

[StanSP]

17 hours ago, 4everfox said:

What I meant was, how is it even possible to not have a better team now, after over three years of being in charge? This was our team in Rodgers' first game:

 

Schmeichel 

Evans

Morgan

Maguire

Ricardo 

Tielemans 

Ndidi

Chilwell

Maddison

Barnes

Vardy

 

We have a weaker team now, despite three years of squad investment. That is appalling. Just shows how overrated Rodgers is, he inherited a top six side and made us worse. A truly elite level manager would've made us top four regulars had he inherited the same and been backed as much as Rodgers has. 

A truly elite manager doesn't come to us, and also probably leaves before start of this season to a better club. 

 

Technically he inherited a side nowhere near top 6. Got us 5th twice and the FA Cup, then started to regress. It's harsh to say we regressed as soon as he came in.

 

 

[4everfox]

19 minutes ago, StanSP said:

A truly elite manager doesn't come to us, and also probably leaves before start of this season to a better club. 

 

Technically he inherited a side nowhere near top 6. Got us 5th twice and the FA Cup, then started to regress. It's harsh to say we regressed as soon as he came in.

 

 

I never said we had regressed as soon as he came in. I said the squad he inherited was stronger then the side he has put together after spending 200 million on dross. The reason we sacked Puel was because we were underachieving with a side capable of finishing in the top 6, so we brought Rodgers in, and for two seasons he achieved what should've been achieved with the squad he inherited. I'm not having this whole "we haven't backed him" argument because we have, and he has ran us into the ground. With the squad we had, and the 200 million investment we have made in the squad since he joined, we should be comfortably in the champions league by now. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

We can't stick with him out of fear of the unknown. What is known, is that we're gonna be fighting relegation unless he goes, so we've got to take the chance that someone else can do better and I'd say it's likely they can.

[Matt]

16 hours ago, Ashley said:

Let's be careful what we wish for hey.

What does this even mean?

 

We could say the same, "Be careful what you wish for" to those still trying to justify Rodgers position.

 

We could say "Be careful what you settle for".

 

Edited 21 August 2022 by Matt

[StanSP]

12 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

I never said we had regressed as soon as he came in. I said the squad he inherited was stronger then the side he has put together after spending 200 million on dross. The reason we sacked Puel was because we were underachieving with a side capable of finishing in the top 6, so we brought Rodgers in, and for two seasons he achieved what should've been achieved with the squad he inherited. I'm not having this whole "we haven't backed him" argument because we have, and he has ran us into the ground. With the squad we had, and the 200 million investment we have made in the squad since he joined, we should be comfortably in the champions league by now. 

Comfortably? Jeez.

 

You're acting like teams around us haven't invested or improved either. In fact, not even around us. Those higher and bigger than us. Teams spend £200m in one window, let alone across 3 years  

 

Who's saying he hasn't been backed?

[SkidsFox]

I dunno. Let's just have a lottery once a month so one of the supporters can be the boss for 4 weeks. Not sure we could be much worse.

[oadby.fox]

57 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Comfortably? Jeez.

 

You're acting like teams around us haven't invested or improved either. In fact, not even around us. Those higher and bigger than us. Teams spend £200m in one window, let alone across 3 years  

 

Who's saying he hasn't been backed?

The man himself for starters!

[Ashley]

10 minutes ago, Matt said:

What does this even mean?

 

We could say the same, "Be careful what you wish for" to those still trying to justify Rodgers position.

 

We could say "Be careful what you settle for".

 

Like Ronseal, exactly what it says on the Tin. 

 

It's not justifying Rodgers position but we seriously need to be careful what we wish for; see my first post  

[taupe]

Having watched Brighton today, I'd say there's little chance of Potter leaving for us. He's in the midst of a very exciting project there. That team is going places.

 

I'm starting to reconcile myself to Rodgers not going, not even foreseeably (unless he walks) Yes there are problems, and maybe significant ones outside of what we see on the pitch, but I reckon there's too much going on at the moment, too much dust flying around. Sensibly, you let at least some of that settle before making decisions.

 

We have to at least see what happens this window, wait for that instability to resolve itself. Then we need to see how Rodgers responds to the situation he didn't want; whether he's good to his word (working with what he's got) without sulking and playing silly buggers (with coded/barbed messages in press conferences) I'm not optimistic as it happens but it's not my call.

 

Do I want him gone? Yes. 

Do I want him gone asap? Yes

Do I think it'll happen? No

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

Like Ronseal, exactly what it says on the Tin. 

 

It's not justifying Rodgers position but we seriously need to be careful what we wish for; see my first post  

I'd rather fight and go down than watch Rodgers borefest.

[Guest worth_the_wait]

Going back over the last 40-50 years at the City, I was thinking about the difference between "hands on" coaching-type managers and more "detached" high-level managers.
 
The coaches tend to concentrate on team tactics, passing movements, and the like.  This often works in the short term ... a few months, maybe even a season ... as the players embrace a different approach    But then what happens, is these coaches tend to neglect the other side of football management.
 
At the City, hands-on coaches such Brian Hamilton, David Pleat, Peter Taylor started well, but then they all got worse as time went on.  All of them inhertited a squad with some good qualities, but then neglected the basics - to just concentrate on playing tactics.  And so it went downhill after an initial good period.
 
But proper managers concentrate on everything.  The whole set-up.   It's not just about team tactics, but also fitness, discipline, physicality, mental strength, being a team player, hard working, character and decency.   The whole lot.   And also how to get the best out of every individual, which relies on understanding the character of individual players.  They need to be able to motivate the team, and sometimes shout at them.  There needs to be a little bit of fear, not just liking and respect.
 
These type of managers are basically still good 3/4 years into their job, because they are constantly working on the whole set-up ... and they never neglect the basics.   So managers like Jock Wallace, Brian Little, Martin O'Neill and Nigel Pearson were generally a success over their whole tenure  (obviously "success" being a relative term, based on many factors).
 
So back to the current ... this is where we are with Brendan Rodgers, who is basically a coach.   He inherited a squad that could basically defend, knew how to counter attack fast, and had plenty of physicality and mental strength.   He's neglected the basics, and most of those positive attributes seem to have been coached-out of them.   Now they're just obsessed with keeping possession, and most teams have worked out how to stop us.   It's only been a few flashes of magic from Maddison, Tielemans and Vardy over the last year that has kept us afloat.

 

[Desabafar]

the only voice of reason would be somebody from the football club seeing the fans as worth communicating with and tell us what is going on. asked people to pay 10% more this season and don’t see them worthy of telling them why we’re choosing to go backwards

[CosbehFox]

13 hours ago, taupe said:

Having watched Brighton today, I'd say there's little chance of Potter leaving for us. He's in the midst of a very exciting project there. That team is going places.

 

 

Potter at Brighton has a recruitment team really thinking outside of the box too with some of the players they’ve signed. Simply doesn’t have it here currently 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Potter at Brighton has a recruitment team really thinking outside of the box too with some of the players they’ve signed. Simply doesn’t have it here currently 

They do now what we used to be noted for 

 

not sure how we’ve lost our way on recruitment……. Well I do…………. congerton and his grubby mits ……