Villa - Postponed

[LCFCJohn]

10 minutes ago, J. James said:

Lets be honest, if the prem decides to play the games, the attendances will not be significantly down, so all the people virtue signalling here and other places could stay at home and mourn (unless they work of course),  but my guess would be that there wont be too many who choose not to go.

 

Reading your comment about the attendance, made me think all the people who said they wouldn’t go to vote with their feet. BR, if asked, would give this as the excuse for that wouldn’t he! 

[Sampson]

11 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

That’s the thing about traditions ……start watering them down and within a short period of time, as a nation,  you’re left wondering where your historic and cultural heart is ….

 

if it snows heavily then games are postponed - there isn’t an outcry …… I think one set of fixtures can be put back as a mark of respect for the deceased monarch of 70 years . 

The cultural and historical “heart” should simply be in its residents and how they interact with each other and that’s it. The country’s “heart” has changed dramatically over my lifetime because people have rightfully questioned and changed traditions. I don’t see how it’s been “watered down” though, just different. What most people mean by “tradition” is “I want it to be how it was when I was a kid”, when that was dramatically different to the previous generations you didn’t see, because every new generation questions traditions

 

Loads of countries have abolished their monarchy and haven’t lost “their heart”, many also haven’t ground to a halt for weeks on end when their head of state has died. It’s just weird.

 

If it snows heavily there isn’t outcry because it’s cancelled for health and safety, travel reasons and because people wouldn’t be able to see the ball. Have no idea what that has to with the Queen dying, Very few are going to stop going because the Queen died if the game was still on

Edited 9 September 2022 by Sampson

[grobyfox1990]

11 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

When the helicopter carrying Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha crashed out of respect the upcoming  game against Southampton was cancelled, a couple of Woman’s games involving Leicester City teams and a game involving Oud Heverlee we’re  likewise cancelled 

Of course the loss of Vichai was mainly felt by Leicester City supporters but the loss of a Monarc will be massively impacting quite a large number of the population and if football doesn’t cancel this weekends games then sorry it’s lost it’s heartonce and for all

 

 

The soton game had to be cancelled. The stadium was a live scene of investigation. Likewise I imagine the unreal upheaval of a group chairman suddenly dying means other operations (womens games etc) have to be cancelled in the short term to draw up contingency plans. That’s nothing like the queen dying. I’m no royalist but tbf I’m quite upset at her passing. That being said life should go on with the utmost of respect. Min 2 min silence, black armbands and advertising space dedicated to her memory 

[GlennyFox55]

18 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

When the helicopter carrying Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha crashed out of respect the upcoming  game against Southampton was cancelled, a couple of Woman’s games involving Leicester City teams and a game involving Oud Heverlee we’re  likewise cancelled 

Of course the loss of Vichai was mainly felt by Leicester City supporters but the loss of a Monarc will be massively impacting quite a large number of the population and if football doesn’t cancel this weekends games then sorry it’s lost it’s heartonce and for all

 

 

I’m not sure they are entirely comparable, one died prematurely in a horrific accident just yards from our stadium that was witnessed by members of the playing and backroom staff.

 

The other died peacefully surrounded by family at the age of 96 and if you are religiously inclined is now reunited with her lifelong husband she recently lost. 

 

Personally feel the games going ahead with marks of respect will be much more poignant but that’s me, if they’re off ah well. 
 

Though to add do feel for those that will be left out of pocket if they are. 

Edited 9 September 2022 by GlennyFox55

[Nugent]

Keep the games on!

 

Those who want to mourn and grieve can choose to stay home and mourn, those who work hard to spend their money on going to the football can go to the football as normal. Everyone wins! 
 

But I imagine they’ll be called off and we’ll be stuck watching wall to wall coverage of the death. Two good games on TV either side of ours at 3pm as well - gutting!

[Ric Flair]

I'm big on tradition, mourning the monarchy if the tradition is that a lot of things come to a halt then that should continue.

 

It is surprising though that professional sport was played the weekend that the King died 70 years ago. Therefore, I suspect any decision to postpone all sport this weekend will set a new precedent.

[KrefelderFox666]

28 minutes ago, Terraloon said:

When the helicopter carrying Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha crashed out of respect the upcoming  game against Southampton was cancelled, a couple of Woman’s games involving Leicester City teams and a game involving Oud Heverlee we’re  likewise cancelled 

Of course the loss of Vichai was mainly felt by Leicester City supporters but the loss of a Monarc will be massively impacting quite a large number of the population and if football doesn’t cancel this weekends games then sorry it’s lost it’s heartonce and for all

 

 

As above, this is an apples and pears comparison.

[Le Renard]

After losing my mother a few months back I feel sorry for the family and can sympathise that someone has lost a mother/grandmother/auntie etc.  But to self flagellate ourselves into a state of mourning because of the modern day "we must do something" by cancelling football or every other sporting event is a bit OTT.  There was a time when a minute silence was good enough for those who actually fought in a war, but now for some reason we have to have 2 minutes, as if the minutes count for your quality of reflection for those that have passed.  So if people want to mourn the Queen they should do it in their own way, like millions of us who've lost loved ones especially in these last 2 years of Covid.

Edited 9 September 2022 by Le Renard

[lanefox]

49 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

 

As if. That fact you've posted that comment on an Internet forum shows how this is nothing like North Korea.

Certainly acting like it

[J. James]

Lol... This is all entirely for show!

Nobody but nobody on this or any other forum "loved" or even knew the queen unless one of her close relatives contribute!

 

By no stretch am l a royalist l would say  as monarchs go she was as good as they get but not even her greatest fans would - lets say - not celebrate their kids wedding during the next 10 days!

Whether or not the football is on or off is a triviality really but l do think the out of pocket expenses should be paid by the people who decide to cancel it (not a chance).

So to all those extremely admirable and virtuous posters using words like respect and selfish I'm sure that you will all be extremely subdued, forego the pub, take no alcohol at home, not watch films or tv (or other sport from other countries) and not so much as smirk for 10 days in the privacy of your homes after telling your boss its not respectful to work at such a terrible time.

I am totally certain that these things will happen because otherwise your chastising words would just be hypocritical claptrap.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

1 hour ago, Walshie is God said:

Not really,  i wasnt pushing my view onto anyone, or certainly not intentionally. I was just trying to highlight that is what happens in this country, deal with it!

[An Away Move]

55 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

I was being sarcastic you miserable prune

Still being a knob then. 

[StanSP]

So apparently the postponement is more to do with police and security personnel being told to go to the capital, to support the Met with the influx of tourists that will flock there to pay their respects. 

Obviously with larger amounts of people, there's bound to be the need for more security and safety. 

 

From that aspect I can understand why sporting events may be cancelled. If there's not enough police for the sporting events, they can't go ahead. 

[FoxinNotts]

'Read the room' people! Regardless of what we want or think, there would be major opposition to the matches going ahead, and the PL couldn't afford the negative publicity. I can't see this weekend going ahead. i'd be very surprised indeed.

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

'Read the room' people! Regardless of what we want or think, there would be major opposition to the matches going ahead, and the PL couldn't afford the negative publicity. I can't see this weekend going ahead. i'd be very surprised indeed.

Why would there be major opposition?

 

That's probably their fear, but in reality, it would be a tiny insignificant portion of the population that genuinely were against it. 

 

If people are genuinely upset, they definitely won't be worrying what other people are doing

 

[Lionator]

11 minutes ago, StanSP said:

So apparently the postponement is more to do with police and security personnel being told to go to the capital, to support the Met with the influx of tourists that will flock there to pay their respects. 

Obviously with larger amounts of people, there's bound to be the need for more security and safety. 

 

From that aspect I can understand why sporting events may be cancelled. If there's not enough police for the sporting events, they can't go ahead. 

How many police are there at the KP though, 100-200 max? I get you’d need more in terms of contingency should there be crowd trouble/an emergency but are the police really that under resourced?

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

That’s the thing about traditions ……start watering them down and within a short period of time, as a nation,  you’re left wondering where your historic and cultural heart is ….

 

if it snows heavily then games are postponed - there isn’t an outcry …… I think one set of fixtures can be put back as a mark of respect for the deceased monarch of 70 years . 

There isn't a tradition of postponing football games because of a monarch's death. This would be the first time.

 

Can you explain why postponing public events shows 'respect' for a monarch? Surely allowing them to go ahead, with appropriate tributes to allow people to celebrate her life in public, would be far more respectful?

[Ricey]

13 minutes ago, StanSP said:

So apparently the postponement is more to do with police and security personnel being told to go to the capital, to support the Met with the influx of tourists that will flock there to pay their respects. 

Obviously with larger amounts of people, there's bound to be the need for more security and safety. 

 

From that aspect I can understand why sporting events may be cancelled. If there's not enough police for the sporting events, they can't go ahead. 

I think that’s stretching things a bit (from their point of view not yours). How does London cope when their is a jubilee? Or any of the thousands of other events that happen in London every year.

 

I think they are massively overestimating how many people will want to go to London to stand outside Buckingham Palace.

[Lesterlad]

I personally hope all football matches are postponed this weekend. Yes I will go to the game if it is on but out of respect I hope the FA postpone 

[filbertway]

Just now, Lesterlad said:

I personally hope all football matches are postponed this weekend. Yes I will go to the game if it is on but out of respect I hope the FA postpone 

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you go if you want the game to be postponed?

 

If you believe it should be postponed, surely you stick to your principles and give it a miss.

[Big Dave]

A local event in my town was due to go ahead on Saturday. It was cancelled yesterday.  There have been so many posts saying it is the wrong thing to do - real pressure is being put on the organisers to put the event back on.

[Happy Fox]

Just now, Big Dave said:

A local event in my town was due to go ahead on Saturday. It was cancelled yesterday.  There have been so many posts saying it is the wrong thing to do - real pressure is being put on the organisers to put the event back on.

Big Dave’s Rave? 

[Lesterlad]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you go if you want the game to be postponed?

 

If you believe it should be postponed, surely you stick to your principles and give it a miss.

Because I take my grandson to the games 

[goose2010]

3 minutes ago, Ricey said:

I think that’s stretching things a bit (from their point of view not yours). How does London cope when their is a jubilee? Or any of the thousands of other events that happen in London every year.

 

I think they are massively overestimating how many people will want to go to London to stand outside Buckingham Palace.

the last one was in June not smack bang in the middle of a season. 

 

To be fair it isn't just the public, they expect the majority of the worlds head of state  to travel to London over the next few days. 

 

 

[Joe90lcfc]

47 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm big on tradition, mourning the monarchy if the tradition is that a lot of things come to a halt then that should continue.

 

It is surprising though that professional sport was played the weekend that the King died 70 years ago. Therefore, I suspect any decision to postpone all sport this weekend will set a new precedent.

I’m with you on this, although I think the magnitude between George and the queens death is more significant, George reigned for 16 years the queen has basically been a lifetime, I certainly won’t be disappointed if they choose to call of the games this weekend, but on another note if they do go ahead it will be nice everyone to pay there respects across the nation