LCFC 4-0 Wolves - Post Match Thread

[Beliall]

Just now, taupe said:

Chuffed to bits, with the result. Didn't watch (highlights anywhere?) but sounds like a pretty darned good all around performance.

 

If we keep putting in the performances and getting results then I don't give a toss who manages us. I'm defo still 'Rodgers out' but I'm enjoying the result. If he proves me wrong then cool. I'm big enough to get over my own feelings as long as we're showing some spirit, some belief and getting results (so **** off all you 'told you so, revisionist bores ) The team comes first not what I think!

Youri's goal will be on pornhub if you want to see it (or they're on page 1)

 

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Dontcha just love Sundays after a win? 

 

4-0 away. Dark evening. Roast beefdinner. Half a bottle of red. Life's perfect right now

Some of us lucky enough to be in Lisbon. 9pm dinner. Bottle of red. No rush in the morning. That’s what we work for 

Edited 23 October 2022 by CosbehFox

[surrifox]

3 hours ago, justfoxes said:

Superb display from the lads Youri started with a thunder strike up to 16th come on you foxes 

Look at the utter nonsense between our club and 10th spot 

[kenny]

3 minutes ago, surrifox said:

Look at the utter nonsense between our club and 10th spot 

Had we beaten Brentford and Southampton rather than throwing the games away we would be above Liverpool now.

[OntarioFox]

1 hour ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Yeah recently Rodgers definitely seems to be using handy players like Daka and Praet much better than he has done before, fair play. Juggle the squad well and it stops players being run into the ground as well as stopping folk getting rusty. Praet in particular is so useful. 

Shout-out everyone who bit my ear off for suggesting it was a good tactical call to rest him after a big shift in an unnatural position on Thursday.

 

He's an excellent option to see games out with, as opposed to the previous nonsense of going five (really three with our wingbacks) at the back a la Brentford, Southampton and Bournemouth. Regularly bringing him and Mendy on for the last half hour is a way more positive way to control a game if we must do it as Rodgers insists.

 

If he's happy to be a 30 min per game player, Dennis has a future here. He'll get more gametime if Madders does move on in an upcoming window too.

Edited 23 October 2022 by OntarioFox

[Lako42]

I genuinely don't know how every team we play looks worse than the last 

 

The PL is full of absolute shite. The standard is so low atm 

Edited 23 October 2022 by Lako42

[foxinsox]

2 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

I genuinely don't know how every team we play looks worse and worse. 

 

The PL is full of absolute shite. The standard is so low atm 

I was thinking that, but perhaps it is our team disrupting their plan and making them look shit? 🤔 

[taupe]

1 minute ago, Lako42 said:

The PL is full of absolute shite. The standard is so low atm 

I'm gonna quibble, but only to validate your point. It's not "full" of shite but if recent games are anything to go by then there's certainly enough shite around for us to just about keep our heads above it.

 

Normal service will be resumed next Saturday.

[Rawlings]

40 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

We actually look much better without Evans

The Stats also proves your valid point

3 matches without a SINGLE goal against

[tom27111]

Thinking about it, that was quite reminiscent of 15/16.

 

Solid at the back, let the opposition have the ball and were clinical up-front.

 

That worked out alright.

[Matt]

9 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Thinking about it, that was quite reminiscent of 15/16.

 

Solid at the back, let the opposition have the ball and were clinical up-front.

 

That worked out alright.

It’s not sustainable though, so they say!

 

Plus the football snobs don’t like it.

 

Keep it up!

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Thinking about it, that was quite reminiscent of 15/16.

 

Solid at the back, let the opposition have the ball and were clinical up-front.

 

That worked out alright.

We played out through their press. That’s not 15/16 esque 

 

early second half we couldn’t get out doing it and invited pressure but we came to terms with their press and played out a few times really well (though I was petrified) 

[turkish14]

4 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

Shout out for the back 4 and Danny Ward. Superb in both games this week.

We have 3 clean sheets out of 4 which of course is progress and brilliant!

 

Also we are defending set pieces better, and getting blocks in, which is of course great too. 

 

But playing devils advocate, are we still being sloppy with mis placed passes and lack of concentration?

 

As such is it only because the opposition is crap with a bit of “much needed luck”, that has helped the defenders to not concede?

 

 

[filbertway]

We are definitely dealing with crosses into the box a lot better, Faes is a bit of a colossus. Nice having someone in there who wins a lot of balls, feels much more like 15/16 when you'd happily watch teams lob balls in the box all game. Unfortunately he's just one man and our other lads have a tendency to switch off still

 

[FoxTimmy2]

28 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

I genuinely don't know how every team we play looks worse and worse. 

 

The PL is full of absolute shite. The standard is so low atm 

I agree, and I've often thought of this, the standard in the PL certainly has dropped. Wolves for instance used to be a solid side, this season they've thus far scored 5 goals.

[Jattdogg]

2 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

I’ve got absolutely no idea if we’re good or shit. 

Touchin cloth 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

17 minutes ago, Matt said:

It’s not sustainable though, so they say!

 

Plus the football snobs don’t like it.

 

Keep it up!

 

Swear you copy and paste every post brother. At least this one didn't use the word "sideways"

[Scanchez]

4 hours ago, buzzer_b said:

Well can’t complain about that performance. He actually got it right for once.

WRONG.

 

WE HAVE TO COMPLAIN.

[Iran]

The performance was so good and enjoyable I went ahead and rewatched the match! 

[foxsake]

Four top quality goals, superb result! 👏

 

[Fox92]

Great day. Love beating Wolves but I always seem to leave their place without a win, until today.

 

Four great strikes and we should have had more on the counter. I didn’t think anybody had a bad game today and Rodgers got everything spot on. I’m usually a big critic of his subs but he finished the game with his three subs.

[StriderHiryu]

34 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Thinking about it, that was quite reminiscent of 15/16.

 

Solid at the back, let the opposition have the ball and were clinical up-front.

 

That worked out alright.

If you looked at the stats, you would think it was the same style of play. But there is a pretty big difference in the style we use these days:

 

 

In 15/16, after the Arsenal defeat we ourselves played a super compact block that hit hard and fast on the break. Teams played a lot in our half, but it meant there was space in behind that Vardy and Mahrez would run into. That was more of a pure counter-attack.

 

What we've been doing under Rodgers is counter-pressing. Turn the ball over high up the pitch by pressing and then countering. See the last goal today, and the two goals against Leeds as perfect examples. The difference is that the distance we travel when we counter is a lot lower than 15/16, when we moved the ball from front-to-back faster than any other team. After we win the ball back now, we put together 3-5 slick one touch passes before making chances to score with. And we are good at it.

 

These heatmaps show that Wolves spent most of the time with their possession passing between their centre backs (sound familiar? ) but didn't spend that much time in the areas that matter. In 15/16, the action areas would nearer the halfway line:

 

 

^ Compare the screenshot above with how we play today. In today's game, the CB would be under pressure from either Daka, Vardy, Maddison or KDH. In 15/16 we backed off and played a high line instead.

 

36 minutes ago, Matt said:

It’s not sustainable though, so they say!

 

I think it's fair to say that a pure counter attacking style like the one we used in 15/16 isn't sustainable in modern football. There aren't many top teams in Europe that use it these days, with Conte's Spurs maybe being the only ones. Or maybe Southgate's hapless England tactics?

 

Counter-pressing seems more sustainable. Atalanta, Liverpool, the Red Bull teams, Bayern Munich, even Barcelona now play that way. Even Man City counter press, though they are so good in possession that most of their play is about breaking down deep blocks than winning the ball back high up the pitch, though they do that too.

 

To win football matches you don't have to have more possession than the opposition. But you do have to be more proactive and go for the jugular! Post title win for Ranieri and Shakespeare, teams sat back to match our own counter attack style and we couldn't break them down.

 

But perhaps the good news is that Rodgers has moved away from the Puel style of trying to pass your opponent to death for more of a dynamic physical / all-action style.

 

For what it's worth though, I do think that too often Rodgers values game control over attacking the game. I get that he doesn't want the game to be a basketball match, but for me it's more sensible to control the game after going 2 or 3 up, like against Leeds, rather than doing it straight away. Actually Rodgers should go back and watch Ranieri's vintage side, because under Ranieri we started almost every game on the front foot. In fact I don't think in the history of the club we've ever started games more front-foot than under him in his first season.

[fuchsntf]

4 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Ten teams in a relegation battle in October , probably not happened before.

Short memories…

[Harpenden Fox]

1 hour ago, Lako42 said:

I genuinely don't know how every team we play looks worse and worse. 

 

The PL is full of absolute shite. The standard is so low atm 

We say the same every year

[foxfanazer]

28 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

If you looked at the stats, you would think it was the same style of play. But there is a pretty big difference in the style we use these days:

 

 

In 15/16, after the Arsenal defeat we ourselves played a super compact block that hit hard and fast on the break. Teams played a lot in our half, but it meant there was space in behind that Vardy and Mahrez would run into. That was more of a pure counter-attack.

 

What we've been doing under Rodgers is counter-pressing. Turn the ball over high up the pitch by pressing and then countering. See the last goal today, and the two goals against Leeds as perfect examples. The difference is that the distance we travel when we counter is a lot lower than 15/16, when we moved the ball from front-to-back faster than any other team. After we win the ball back now, we put together 3-5 slick one touch passes before making chances to score with. And we are good at it.

 

These heatmaps show that Wolves spent most of the time with their possession passing between their centre backs (sound familiar? ) but didn't spend that much time in the areas that matter. In 15/16, the action areas would nearer the halfway line:

 

 

^ Compare the screenshot above with how we play today. In today's game, the CB would be under pressure from either Daka, Vardy, Maddison or KDH. In 15/16 we backed off and played a high line instead.

 

I think it's fair to say that a pure counter attacking style like the one we used in 15/16 isn't sustainable in modern football. There aren't many top teams in Europe that use it these days, with Conte's Spurs maybe being the only ones. Or maybe Southgate's hapless England tactics?

 

Counter-pressing seems more sustainable. Atalanta, Liverpool, the Red Bull teams, Bayern Munich, even Barcelona now play that way. Even Man City counter press, though they are so good in possession that most of their play is about breaking down deep blocks than winning the ball back high up the pitch, though they do that too.

 

To win football matches you don't have to have more possession than the opposition. But you do have to be more proactive and go for the jugular! Post title win for Ranieri and Shakespeare, teams sat back to match our own counter attack style and we couldn't break them down.

 

But perhaps the good news is that Rodgers has moved away from the Puel style of trying to pass your opponent to death for more of a dynamic physical / all-action style.

 

For what it's worth though, I do think that too often Rodgers values game control over attacking the game. I get that he doesn't want the game to be a basketball match, but for me it's more sensible to control the game after going 2 or 3 up, like against Leeds, rather than doing it straight away. Actually Rodgers should go back and watch Ranieri's vintage side, because under Ranieri we started almost every game on the front foot. In fact I don't think in the history of the club we've ever started games more front-foot than under him in his first season.

You don't half put some effort into your posts