Popular Post Raj Posted 15 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 15 August 2023 He was sh1t when we signed him. Sh1t for us throughout. I'll drive him to Napoli.. 3 3
whoareyaaa Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 5 hours ago, 87fox said: https://sportwitness.co.uk/club-make-offer-leicester-city-midfielder-player-looking-way-summer/ Sevilla have made an offer to sign Boubakary Soumare from Leicester City, according to reports from Spain. El Desmarque writes that as the player is not willing to play in the Championship next season, he is looking for a ‘way out’ from the Foxes this summer. It’s said Sevilla are ‘taking advantage of the situation’, and already placed their bid for the signing. They’re not the only in the race, though, as Turkish side Galatasaray made their move in the ‘last few hours’, and found the competition from the Spanish club. There are no details on how much money each of those clubs put on the table, although the story does make it sound like it’s Sevilla who have the lead for the signing. With El Desmarque highlighting that the La Liga side are moving ‘strongly’, it makes us curious to know more about their offer. Soumare has a contract with Leicester City running until 2026, and is currently valued by Transfermarkt at €20m. It’s already been said by the Italian media that €20m is precisely how much the Foxes demand for the move. snap both there hands off 2
Popular Post Old Fox Posted 15 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 15 August 2023 19 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: But it's hindsight, what did they say when we signed Soumare? You go back an find the thread when he signed and see how many people thought he was a good signing. No one is arguing it didn't work out, but a lot of people are talking in hindsight, being smart after the event. There is definitely a quality player in there as he has the attributes but he’s been misused and I am not convinced that BR wanted him and he certainly never got anything like the best out of him. to say he is completely rubbish is way off and like Soyuncu or Kramaric some players are better suited to a different pace of football - he may go on and become a quality player but we need to now move him on sadly for all parties! 12
Jimbo Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 2 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: I think you’re missing the point that I’m making. Our wage bill has been spiraling out of control for years and Soumare was a very big risk, which I understand every transfer is. However, my gripe about Soumare and many other recent signings is our awful control of the aforementioned wage bill. So no, it’s not a hindsight or “smart” comment, more a frustration that we’ve got ourselves into this situation. It's still hindsight though isn't it? If transfers such as Soumare work out then no one actually gives 1 iota about how much he's paid. Take all of the failed transfers that nearly everyone was excited about, whether you agree with my following comment or not is another discussion, but if you include Timmy, Daka, Soumare, Tete, Under, Perez off the top of my head. If they work out and we're continually looking at top 8 contenders in the premier league, which we did for a couple of years, then the wages paid are not that much over average. We over stretched with the wrong guy I'm charge and now we're paying the price for it, and that was always to worry with the risk attached to it, the risk that has now happened. But we were sensible enough to not (so far) end up in a mess like Bolton or Wigan etc But if you truly want a smart comment I'm pretty sure I made a few comments about how Rodgers history in the transfer market worried me, just after he was announced as our manager. He has a pretty big history of paying big money for duds and looks like I was correct. For every decent signing he's made, he's made 2 or 3 very poor ones. Back to the subject of Soumare, he needs to be gone asap, I so wanted him to come good and there a game last season, Wolves at home I think, where it finally looked like he'd unlocked something. It's not to be, cut our losses and take what we can 1
coolhandfox Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 1 minute ago, SafewayFox said: I think you’re missing the point that I’m making. Our wage bill has been spiraling out of control for years and Soumare was a very big risk, which I understand every transfer is. However, my gripe about Soumare and many other recent signings is our awful control of the aforementioned wage bill. So no, it’s not a hindsight or “smart” comment, more a frustration that we’ve got ourselves into this situation. Soumare was no more a risker then Fofana transfer. One transfer wasn't the issue, this situation was cause by lot of different elements, not just the wage bill.
cropstonfox Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 23 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Soumare was no more a risker then Fofana transfer. One transfer wasn't the issue, this situation was cause by lot of different elements, not just the wage bill. Rogers was the common denominator. He wanted out and fvuked us over! 2
Rigga Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 1 hour ago, Old Fox said: There is definitely a quality player in there as he has the attributes but he’s been misused and I am not convinced that BR wanted him and he certainly never got anything like the best out of him. to say he is completely rubbish is way off and like Soyuncu or Kramaric some players are better suited to a different pace of football - he may go on and become a quality player but we need to now move him on sadly for all parties! What attributes does he have that makes him a quality player ? 1
cropstonfox Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 10 minutes ago, Rigga said: What attributes does he have that makes him a quality player ? Price tag? 1
ronnup Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 80 games in 4 years at Lille, and I bet half of them were as a sub. He's not it
ACF Posted 15 August 2023 Posted 15 August 2023 3 hours ago, SafewayFox said: So you genuinely believe that RL are wrong when Matt Piper (who has much closer connections to the club/players than you or I) and an ex pro’s comments on our situation and says that we can’t move players on because WE are paying our squad players too much money? Of course we are spending too much money on these players but the argument that these are the wrong players to earn that money only exists in hindsight based off performance. When we finished 5th and were pushing Champions League, these figures were completely acceptable and justified to get the players we thought were the key to us pushing up the table for sustained success. If we finished 10th, this problem is a bit of a pain, but not as troubling. If you’re Sevilla, you’re not going to offer the same £ to Bouba, because he had a shit year, and he was one of the group that has meant we’re in the Championship. 1
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 7 hours ago, Happy Fox said: https://www.relevo.com/futbol/mercado-fichajes/sevilla-lanza-soumare-20230815160422-nt.html Cheerio ✌️ Translation for anyone interested: Sevilla remains attentive to the market to reinforce the squad and has launched itself for the midfielder Boubakary Soumaré, from Leicester City, as El Desmarque has advanced. The 24-year-old player, known as Víctor Orta from his time in the Premier League, is the one desired to reinforce the Seville midfield. The sports management of Sevilla wants to provide that plot of the field with more physicality, knowing that Fernando needs a replacement that allows him to withstand the harshness of the season in good condition. Mendilibar wants muscle in that area of the pitch to unleash his most creative players. As Relevo has learned, the Andalusians have submitted a loan proposal with a purchase option at the end of this season. Leicester City paid around 20 million for him when they bought him from Lille, but the amount that Sevilla will agree to will be less than the one mentioned.
Tuna Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 He's just not what we need for the championship. We persisted with him, curiously, last season and after 2 years I still do not know what his qualities are or why were persuaded to dispense with nearly £20 million for him. If there is any chance of a deal for him, take it. 1
Claudio Fannieri Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 2 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: Translation for anyone interested: Sevilla remains attentive to the market to reinforce the squad and has launched itself for the midfielder Boubakary Soumaré, from Leicester City, as El Desmarque has advanced. The 24-year-old player, known as Víctor Orta from his time in the Premier League, is the one desired to reinforce the Seville midfield. The sports management of Sevilla wants to provide that plot of the field with more physicality, knowing that Fernando needs a replacement that allows him to withstand the harshness of the season in good condition. Mendilibar wants muscle in that area of the pitch to unleash his most creative players. As Relevo has learned, the Andalusians have submitted a loan proposal with a purchase option at the end of this season. Leicester City paid around 20 million for him when they bought him from Lille, but the amount that Sevilla will agree to will be less than the one mentioned. From an FFP perspective he will have a book value of circa £12m so I am pretty certain the club will want to see a minimum loan fee of £4m plus all his wages cleared and then I suspect it would be a fee of somewhere around £15m so we show a profit of circa £7m next summer.
woznotwos Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 9 hours ago, Jimbo said: It's still hindsight though isn't it? If transfers such as Soumare work out then no one actually gives 1 iota about how much he's paid. Take all of the failed transfers that nearly everyone was excited about, whether you agree with my following comment or not is another discussion, but if you include Timmy, Daka, Soumare, Tete, Under, Perez off the top of my head. If they work out and we're continually looking at top 8 contenders in the premier league, which we did for a couple of years, then the wages paid are not that much over average. We over stretched with the wrong guy I'm charge and now we're paying the price for it, and that was always to worry with the risk attached to it, the risk that has now happened. But we were sensible enough to not (so far) end up in a mess like Bolton or Wigan etc But if you truly want a smart comment I'm pretty sure I made a few comments about how Rodgers history in the transfer market worried me, just after he was announced as our manager. He has a pretty big history of paying big money for duds and looks like I was correct. For every decent signing he's made, he's made 2 or 3 very poor ones. Back to the subject of Soumare, he needs to be gone asap, I so wanted him to come good and there a game last season, Wolves at home I think, where it finally looked like he'd unlocked something. It's not to be, cut our losses and take what we can Yeah, I remember a few being concerned about transfer activity and that sure came home to roost.
Viva Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said: From an FFP perspective he will have a book value of circa £12m so I am pretty certain the club will want to see a minimum loan fee of £4m plus all his wages cleared and then I suspect it would be a fee of somewhere around £15m so we show a profit of circa £7m next summer. There’s no way we will get that much. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and accept a loss. 1
Viva Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 8 hours ago, Rigga said: What attributes does he have that makes him a quality player ? I was going to ask the same. He’s not shown any of these qualities in two years. That’s certainly not all down to Rodgers. He has looked slow, lazy and overweight to me, which is unforgivable for a professional footballer. 1
South Shire Fox Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 4 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: Translation for anyone interested: Sevilla remains attentive to the market to reinforce the squad and has launched itself for the midfielder Boubakary Soumaré, from Leicester City, as El Desmarque has advanced. The 24-year-old player, known as Víctor Orta from his time in the Premier League, is the one desired to reinforce the Seville midfield. The sports management of Sevilla wants to provide that plot of the field with more physicality, knowing that Fernando needs a replacement that allows him to withstand the harshness of the season in good condition. Mendilibar wants muscle in that area of the pitch to unleash his most creative players. As Relevo has learned, the Andalusians have submitted a loan proposal with a purchase option at the end of this season. Leicester City paid around 20 million for him when they bought him from Lille, but the amount that Sevilla will agree to will be less than the one mentioned. No loans unless its an obligation. Pay it or fck off 1
Dahnsouff Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 5 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said: No loans unless its an obligation. Pay it or fck off Then they feck off? Better to recoup something. 1
Rigga Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 49 minutes ago, Viva said: I was going to ask the same. He’s not shown any of these qualities in two years. That’s certainly not all down to Rodgers. He has looked slow, lazy and overweight to me, which is unforgivable for a professional footballer. Has no awareness of opposition runners whatsoever… only starts to run when player has already gone.. 2
MGLCFC Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 (edited) I just don't see any positive attributes Soumare has. Personally I'd have tried to keep Mendy as back up to Winks. He's good at recycling the ball and moves it forward quickly. Whether he'd have accepted this bit part role, I don't know. Edited 16 August 2023 by MGLCFC 1
South Shire Fox Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 39 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Then they feck off? Better to recoup something. Thats why i said only if its an obligation, because they wont pay it at the end like Torino did with Praet
Finnegan Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 1 minute ago, South Shire Fox said: Thats why i said only if its an obligation, because they wont pay it at the end like Torino did with Praet You're missing the point I think mate tbf. He's saying even if they only give us 10% of his wages and fvck all else, that's still better than nothing. Of course ideally we want to sell him but we pay him a ridiculous amount of money and it makes him not worth it for clubs abroad who can't afford that. Any loan that gets him even mostly off our wage bill is a godsend quite frankly. Especially if he goes and performs well, then you won't want to have had a buy clause because maybe his value goes up. 1
sacreblueits442 Posted 16 August 2023 Posted 16 August 2023 2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said: From an FFP perspective he will have a book value of circa £12m so I am pretty certain the club will want to see a minimum loan fee of £4m plus all his wages cleared and then I suspect it would be a fee of somewhere around £15m so we show a profit of circa £7m next summer. ...would the £4m loan amount not be what will cover his wages for the year!!! If his book value is £12m amortised at £4m a year, in 3 years, being loaned out at £4m, it will clear the book value.
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