Also In The News - part 3

[fox_up_north]

Honestly I really don't think this goes anywhere. The US and the world has publicly told Israel to back off, the money has just been voted through for Ukraine and I would suspect there's a lot of eyes being rolled around the world.

 

It's proper "I had the last laugh" stuff. 

[fox_favourite]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

So his second post is saying "yeah, I got it wrong and over hyped it. Nothing much happened". 

 

Israel needs to wind it's neck in a little. No one wants the middle east to become any more volatile but they are trying to make it happen.

[Brizzle Fox]

11 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Who knew that getting trapped in a flat was so expensive?

 

You can say what you like but one thing's certain is that this man isn't is a good negotiator

 

 

What I really want to know is if it was Angela Rayner's flat (not main residence...).

 

Bloody Rayner!!!

 

I'm sure the Mail will tell me.

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

22 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said:

What I really want to know is if it was Angela Rayner's flat (not main residence...).

 

Bloody Rayner!!!

 

I'm sure the Mail will tell me.

 

 

It would be so typical of her to incarcerate a good, honest, normal guy doing good, honest, normal guy things.

 

I mean, when things got a bit livelier than expected, she could've put her hand in her own pocket to help the poor chap out and the fact that she didn't speaks volumes

[Zear0]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

19 hours ago, bovril said:

Love it - the Conservatives spend much time and effort going after Rayner only for...

 

But the really interesting thing is the press and therefore pressure will still be on just the one person.

[Lionator]

Given that Ben Gvir tweeted ‘scarecrow’, I’m assuming Israel did indeed take a very limited attack near the facilities to show they can reach them. But stopped going further. Iran denying it basically gives them an off ramp and draw a line under these handbags at dawn. 

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Given that Ben Gvir tweeted ‘scarecrow’, I’m assuming Israel did indeed take a very limited attack near the facilities to show they can reach them. But stopped going further. Iran denying it basically gives them an off ramp and draw a line under these handbags at dawn. 

Ben gvir wouldn’t be satisfied with any response that didn’t flatten Tehran 

 

will be interesting to see if any countries release detailed satellite imagery to show what’s happened. That could be counter productive because Iran needs to show a public face that nothing of any note happened.  If Iran has suffered notable damage at an installation from just a few missiles fired at it then it will feel like it has to respond. Best for Iran to appreciate Israel’s message within govt only. 

[MPH]

So it does appear at least one or two explosions happened and there is video footage all over Twitter showing some explosions but it appears like they targeted an airbase a couple of miles away from an uranium enrichment facility….

[MPH]

reading into this a bit more... immediately after Iran's attack at the weekend they released a swift response explaining that their retaliation was over.  fair play to them for that.. it may have been a ploy to de-escalate or discourage an Israeli response. However, you cant fire more than 300 drones and rockets at someone and expect them not to retaliate. So Israel did retaliate and they could have gone in much worse. 2 rockets landed and it appears it was a limited response again with the aim of de-escalating tensions so fair play to them for that.. and also fairplay to Iran for trying to downplay the Israeli response instead of stirring up a cauldron of rhetoric in response.

 

So If both sides are sensible, that should be the end of direct conflict between the two sides... i will say this though... if Iran fires back, i do not think Israel will be so reserved in their response.

[Daggers]

Sunak’s statement on mental health - just vile. Ignorant, vicious and vile. 
 

 

Edited 19 April by Daggers
Soggy spelling

[Bellend Sebastian]

46 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Sunak’s statement on mental health - just vile. Ignorant, viscous and vile. 
 

 

That's the "mental health isn't real" section of the electorate onboard then.

 

Big crossover on the venn diagram between those guys and the "really quite mentally unwell but not diagnosed" section

 

 

[Wymsey]

They simply don't understand what it's like to live with a mental health condition, and there's plenty of them.

 

There's a genuine lack of empathy.

Edited 19 April by Wymsey

[Sampson]

Post-2016 Tories are cruelness personified. How did we ever let a government like this run our country?

[boots60]

4 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Post-2016 Tories are cruelness personified. How did we ever let a government like this run our country?

Because  the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn was the only alternative at the last election

[Daggers]

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Post-2016 Tories are cruelness personified. How did we ever let a government like this run our country?

[insert ‘torrent of abuse that would absolutely get me banned and the thread locked’ here]

[RoboFox]

Cynical and desperate vote grab strategy. They need a group of people to demonise. The immigration rhetoric failed, so now they're going after the vulnerable. 

 

There's no such thing as "sick note culture," Sunak, you fvcking amoeba. There is a record high NHS waiting list, crippling housing costs, widespread food poverty, stagnant wages and inadequate benefit rates, a broken social care system and dire mental health services.

 

Their annihilation can't come soon enough. 

[Brizzle Fox]

1 hour ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

That's the "mental health isn't real" section of the electorate onboard then.

 

Big crossover on the venn diagram between those guys and the "really quite mentally unwell but not diagnosed" section

 

 

Desperate attempt to get a couple of % points back from Reform, appealing to the traditional hardcore Tory vote. Damage limitation 

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, boots60 said:

Because  the unelectable Jeremy Corbyn was the only alternative at the last election

Not a massive Corbyn fan, he was clearly still the far better alternative to Boris and a hard Brexit though.

[bovril]

2 hours ago, Sampson said:

Post-2016 Tories are cruelness personified. How did we ever let a government like this run our country?

They were pretty cruel from 2010-16 as well, and more competently cruel. 

[Corky]

Calling it a sick note is another problem, as though people are trying to get out of doing PE at school.

 

A genuinely horrible group of people in Government.

[Daggers]

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

They were pretty cruel from 2010-16 as well, and more competently cruel. 

They’ve always sought to recategorise it as essential cruelty, terming it as “making tough decisions” - tough decisions that makes the lives of poorer people worse as they bleed money from the state into their bank accounts. It’s always been this way. Part of me is hopeful people now see this party for who they are - but they won’t. Selfish ignorant fvcks will go out and vote for them all over again. 

[Parafox]

4 hours ago, Daggers said:

Sunak’s statement on mental health - just vile. Ignorant, viscous and vile. 
 

 

 

3 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

That's the "mental health isn't real" section of the electorate onboard then.

 

Big crossover on the venn diagram between those guys and the "really quite mentally unwell but not diagnosed" section

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Wymsey said:

They simply don't understand what it's like to live with a mental health condition, and there's plenty of them.

 

There's a genuine lack of empathy.

As some of you may have seen, I have posted about my own experiences of MH with regards to my daughter. She will never be capable of working in any meaningful way. 

 

Sunak's statement INFURIATES me. Whilst I can agree there are some claimants that are scurrilous and work the system however they are a TINY, TINYminority of those claiming support from the state.

 

Callous, thoughtless, right-wing vote grabbing rhetoric. Ultimately and unnecessarily scaring those who are genuinely unfit to work.

 

Also, there's no explanation of how the plan will work. There's mention of those "genuinely unable to work". I assume that will be based on an assessment process. That already exists and is not fit for purpose. It's entirely biased in favour of the state and not the patient.

 

My daughter has had 2 face to face assessments to examine if she was fit to work. Both times the outcome was against her. We went to appeal and both times the decision was overturned and in the first instance the panel were, in their own words, "aghast" at the initial assessment.

 

I dread to think what could happen if Sunak and the vile party he leads gets elected. Not just for MH but all those that are vulnerable through poverty, personal situations, illness, disability, and so many more. 

 

 

Edited 19 April by Parafox

[Parafox]

Can I also add, the statement that those that are still out of work after 12 months of support from a "work coach" (a person that is only interested in their appraisals rather than the person sitting in front of them) will have their benefits "removed completely" is vindictive and threatening in the extreme.

 

What does he think those unfortunate people will do without ANY SUPPORT.

 

The man is a nasty millionaire who does not care. To him we are all serfs and need to bend the knee and tug the forelock to the wealthy and powerful.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Don't hold out much hope for the next Government either but it's gonna be delicious to watch these current Government arseholes take a beating at the next election.