Madeleine McCann

[Benguin]

I wonder if it's Martin Nay, he has been mentioned in the past. 

[foxy boxing]

18 minutes ago, MattFox said:

Police have identified a suspect in Germany

 

Already in Prison

 

Seems to be a major breakthrough potentially 

I think everyone will agree with torture to get information in this case.

[Wymsey]

24 minutes ago, DanNDH88 said:

Would be a fvcking emotionally sensational mad year if she’s been found

 

[l444ry]

Operation Grange must be desperate for funds again.

[foxfanazer]

I can't help but be cynical 

[StanSP]

How many times has this happened? There's some attention to the case given at some point in any given year, hyped up a little then goes dead quiet.

 

Why is this time around any different?

[Voll Blau]

Suspect is from Braunschweig, according to a German mate. Don't think he's been named there either yet mind.

[Guest Bilo]

Honest question; if she turned out to be alive and had been raised abroad, probably thinking she was German or Portuguese, what would be the next step? How would they reconcile her rediscovering her true identity with maintaining what she perceives as her true identity? If she is alive, she might have little to no knowledge of being English and limited memory of her biological family. 

Edited 3 June 2020 by Bilo

[Paninistickers]

25 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Honest question; if she turned out to be alive and had been raised abroad, probably thinking she was German or Portuguese, what would be the next step? How would they reconcile her rediscovering her true identity with maintaining what she perceives as her true identity? If she is alive, she might have little to no knowledge of being English and limited memory of her biological family. 

That's a nice problem to have compared with the other options on the table. 

 

[Paninistickers]

59 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Operation Grange must be desperate for funds again.

You begrudge that?

[l444ry]

1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

You begrudge that?

Not convinced the UK cops have come up with anything that the original Portuguese hadn't already covered and dismissed. You have to draw the line somewhere.  

[Paninistickers]

7 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Not convinced the UK cops have come up with anything that the original Portuguese hadn't already covered and dismissed. You have to draw the line somewhere.  

What, accusing the parents? 

 

The Portuguese investigation was a shambles. A disgrace.

[l444ry]

5 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

What, accusing the parents? 

 

The Portuguese investigation was a shambles. A disgrace.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

 

[turkish14]

Though this sounds the most promising lead, yet from the article, I don’t understand why he was on the radar in 2017, but the police only just making this public now?

anyone that has seen the Netflix series, it’s truly heartbreaking. And I hope answers are found.

Edited 4 June 2020 by turkish14

[stripeyfox]

Interesting development. Hopefully leads to some kind of closure for the family.

 

be interesting to see the reaction of all the facebook warriors who have lead the disgusting witch hunt against her parents all these years - 

[Nalis]

10 hours ago, Bilo said:

Honest question; if she turned out to be alive and had been raised abroad, probably thinking she was German or Portuguese, what would be the next step? How would they reconcile her rediscovering her true identity with maintaining what she perceives as her true identity? If she is alive, she might have little to no knowledge of being English and limited memory of her biological family. 

In that scenario the relationship from Madeleine's point of view would be similar to that of an adoptee meeting their biological parents for the first time as harsh / sad as it sounds, think the parents would have to accept that.

[Webbo]

21 minutes ago, Nalis said:

In that scenario the relationship from Madeleine's point of view would be similar to that of an adoptee meeting their biological parents for the first time as harsh / sad as it sounds, think the parents would have to accept that.

But what if those parents had paid for Madeleine, were  complicit in the crime? 

Edited 4 June 2020 by Webbo

[Nalis]

17 minutes ago, Webbo said:

But what if those parents had paid for Madeleine, were  complicit in the crime? 

I was just looking at it from the McCanns and Madeleine's points of view in terms of their relationship with each other.

 

If there were another set of adoptive parents who paid for Madeleine then that would add another layer.

[Webbo]

If this suspect is guilty, it very unlikely she's still alive, I'm sorry to say. 

[stripeyfox]

Just now, Webbo said:

If this suspect is guilty, it very unlikely she's still alive, I'm sorry to say. 

yes, this unfortunately is the most likley outcome. 

 

 

[David Guiza]

13 hours ago, foxy boxing said:

I think everyone will agree with torture to get information in this case.

Nope.

[Lionator]

Despite all the conspiracies, this does seem like a very plausible explanation and can hopefully give the family some much needed closure.

 

Judging from reports of the guy in question being a serial burglar, I'd be guessing that he broke in, was startled by MM and ended up killing her either purposely or by mistake, then disposed of her body at sea. It would also explain the reports of the time of a man carrying a child. 

 

It's insane that it's taken so much money and time to find an answer to this but I get the feeling that we're finally there. 

[stripeyfox]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Despite all the conspiracies, this does seem like a very plausible explanation and can hopefully give the family some much needed closure.

 

Judging from reports of the guy in question being a serial burglar, I'd be guessing that he broke in, was startled by MM and ended up killing her either purposely or by mistake, then disposed of her body at sea. It would also explain the reports of the time of a man carrying a child. 

 

It's insane that it's taken so much money and time to find an answer to this but I get the feeling that we're finally there. 

certainly a lot more plausable than her parents killing her intentionally or accidentally and then managing to dispose of her body within a few minutes and conceal it so well that no trace was discovered!

 

[Alf Bentley]

2 hours ago, Nalis said:

In that scenario the relationship from Madeleine's point of view would be similar to that of an adoptee meeting their biological parents for the first time as harsh / sad as it sounds, think the parents would have to accept that.

 

Purely thinking of her and her parents, that was my first thought, too. Madeleine was 3 when she disappeared, wasn't she? I have never had any memories from before I was 3 and only two from before I was 4 - and I understand that's quite common.

 

If she were alive and had been brought up caringly by new parents (however that had come about), her psychological welfare would be paramount and they would have to be effectively viewed as her parents for her welfare.

 

Mind you, most adopted kids know they're adopted long before they're 17 (Madeleine's age now, if alive). She'd need extra psychological support not only for any shock of discovering she was adopted, but particularly if she found that she had been brought up by her birth parents to age 3, had been snatched - and that the parents she knew were complicit in that.

 

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

But what if those parents had paid for Madeleine, were  complicit in the crime? 

 

As you say, sadly it seems unlikely that she's still alive.

 

But if she is alive, the "adoptive" parents would have to pay the penalty for any crime they'd committed, even if they'd brought her up with care. 

Given the high profile of the case, it's highly unlikely they could have been unaware of how their "new daughter" had been acquired, so I imagine they'd be looking at a significant prison sentence.

 

The police seem to be very interested in the phone call the suspect made just before Madeleine disappeared.

Maybe the McCanns will be hoping that call was to someone who had paid for a snatched child to bring up.

But the German police seem to be focusing on the fact that, although the suspect is a known sex offender, he was also making a living partly through burglaries.

Perhaps they hope that the phone contact was a fence or partner in thieving crime who knew about his thieving plans, hadn't bargained on a girl dying but stayed schtum - there is a suggestion that the German police think Madeleine was killed during a burglary that went wrong. 

 

Might come to nothing, but this does seem like possibly the biggest breakthrough since 2007. Hope for the best, but I feel instinctively queasy about the likely outcome.... 

 

Edited 4 June 2020 by Alf Bentley

[Countryfox]

If this is now the top news story does that mean things are back to normal ...