England vs Slovakia

[Tielemans63]

In my opinion, there's a lot of comparisons to be made between this England side and NP's Leicester side of Autumn/Winter 2014. Players who were technically pretty good, massively under performing, playing a system that doesn't suit any of the players on the pitch. I loved Nige then and I backed him through all the shit, so I don't really have much choice other than backing Roy as well.

What annoys me is people who backed Pearson then who slate Roy now, where's the consistency?

To be fair Nige did not have all of the countries best footballers to choose from. That's a pretty significant difference.

There is no excuse for Roy's abysmal selection policy. Absolutely none.

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[shen]

In my opinion, there's a lot of comparisons to be made between this England side and NP's Leicester side of Autumn/Winter 2014. Players who were technically pretty good, massively under performing, playing a system that doesn't suit any of the players on the pitch. I loved Nige then and I backed him through all the shit, so I don't really have much choice other than backing Roy as well.

What annoys me is people who backed Pearson then who slate Roy now, where's the consistency?

Technically pretty good?? How many crosses beat their first man, and when they did how many were overhit? How many dribbles and passes were completed, and how accurate were the finishes? It was a pretty poor technical showing, and it has been an area England have lacked for a long time.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Technically pretty good?? How many crosses beat their first man, and when they did how many were overhit? How many dribbles and passes were completed, and how accurate were the finishes? It was a pretty poor technical showing, and it has been an area England have lacked for a long time.

I'd back Clyne or Dier to put a decent ball into the box most of the time, it's just something seems off about most of our players when they pull an England jersey on. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

To be fair Nige did not have all of the countries best footballers to choose from. That's a pretty significant difference.

There is no excuse for Roy's abysmal selection policy. Absolutely none.

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That wasn't the point I was making was it. The point I was making was that the two sets of respective players weren't performing to their peak, regardless of their baseline ability level. 

[Wycombe Fox]

According to The Guardian we had 16 attempts on target.

 

I must've fallen asleep and missed those.

[Legend_in_blue]

We dominated the game and we're unbeaten in the group.

Well done Woy.

Part of me wants us to catastrophically fail on the stats front as well as the result so that the inept bloke has nothing to turn to in defence of his 5 million euros a year contract of fulfilling his managerial role.

He's clueless.

[jaqo88]

It's just something seems off about most of our players when they pull an England jersey on.

They're scared of being vilified and becoming the new scapegoat. Lots of fans don't help this by getting on their backs after every performance

[EGBFitness]

Not our fault Slovakia parked 11 men in their box for the whole game. At least we tried to score, even if it was a failed attempt

They set up a plan to frustrate like any club would of done playing a supponsingly stronger opponent.

We have no creativity, we are too predictable, we always play with a slow build up, crosses from the wings are terrible - either barely passed first man or too deep. If we was to put a decent ball into the box there is no one there with an aerial threat that would get you remotely interested. We are shocking at set pieces, it took us 85 mins sitting in slovakias half to get any form of urgency, I think we had 4 shot from outside of the box - none of them came anywhere close to even considering getting excited for.

I have spent 90 mins watching the same shit from England, slow build, pass to clyne, pass back into the middle, back to clyne, back into the middle, over to Betrand, back in the middle, back to smalling (you get the picture) finished with no end product or a frustrated shot that lead to nothing.

Let's be honest, it was ****ing boring. Wales game was boring. Russia game was pretty ****ing boring

[Dodgy Bob]

In my opinion, there's a lot of comparisons to be made between this England side and NP's Leicester side of Autumn/Winter 2014. Players who were technically pretty good, massively under performing, playing a system that doesn't suit any of the players on the pitch. I loved Nige then and I backed him through all the shit, so I don't really have much choice other than backing Roy as well.

What annoys me is people who backed Pearson then who slate Roy now, where's the consistency?

Pearson wasn't the most highly paid manager in the league. Leicester wasn't a top job so we had no right to expect the best manager. Pearson hadn't failed in all of his previous competitions as Leicester manager. Pearson wasn't 'vastly experienced' at that level and neither were his players. So there's a few reasons why we might have gone a bit easier on Pearson. As i recall he did come in for a fair amount of criticism for his selections though.

[Nick]

I feel embarrassed that finners Wales are top of the group. That guy must be tossing himself silly at the mo!!!

And deservedly so.

[Jattdogg]

According to The Guardian we had 16 attempts on target.

I must've fallen asleep and missed those.

We were mind fuch'd.

You know we did make it through to the next round and thats great but in this group shocking. Having said that any regular england team should have won all 3 games but this team has been "special" for a while.

Our manager is an absolute lost bell which just makes our true mediocre skills shine.

We arent a great side so my expectations are very low.

Woy should be canned after euros. He isnt the long term solution and has no idea how to put a squad together.

Id rather us miss out on a major tourney if it means we get the system right and the results long term.

This squad has no business getting past the quarters. If they make it there and beyond its a fluke.

Boring tossers.

[foxfanazer]

The Hodgson apologists are hilarious. There's blind optimism and then there's that!

[ScouseFox]

The Hodgson apologists are hilarious. There's blind optimism and then there's that!

 

not really sure what you mean by "hodgson apologist"? i think it's a given and pretty much known fact that bar hodgson himself literally nobody would choose him to be england manager. in fact he'd probably say no if he knew what was coming when he'd been offered it. 

 

 

however he hasn't done much wrong this comp. tonight's subs were bizarre and frustrating, sturridge and lallana are key to finding space when there isn't space which is key against a defence which is basically in a 10-0-0 formation. but we've played well enough, defended well enough, dominated each game and created enough to win all 3 games. it's not roy's fault that vardy gets in behind after a great ball and puts his shot straight at the keeper. it's not roy's fault that joe hart has had two moments of madness. not roy's fault that lallana keeps getting into superb positions and side footing shots straight at the keeper. 

 

 

one of vardy, sturridge, clyne or lallana takes a routine chance tonight and we praise roy for a) great football for 90 minutes, b) topping the group pretty easily, c) resting "key" players and d) getting the "fringe" players fully involved and getting that winning feeling. "fine margins", them. 

[foxfanazer]

not really sure what you mean by "hodgson apologist"? i think it's a given and pretty much known fact that bar hodgson himself literally nobody would choose him to be england manager. in fact he'd probably say no if he knew what was coming when he'd been offered it.

however he hasn't done much wrong this comp. tonight's subs were bizarre and frustrating, sturridge and lallana are key to finding space when there isn't space which is key against a defence which is basically in a 10-0-0 formation. but we've played well enough, defended well enough, dominated each game and created enough to win all 3 games. it's not roy's fault that vardy gets in behind after a great ball and puts his shot straight at the keeper. it's not roy's fault that joe hart has had two moments of madness. not roy's fault that lallana keeps getting into superb positions and side footing shots straight at the keeper.

one of vardy, sturridge, clyne or lallana takes a routine chance tonight and we praise roy for a) great football for 90 minutes, b) topping the group pretty easily, c) resting "key" players and d) getting the "fringe" players fully involved and getting that winning feeling. "fine margins", them.

Not getting into another 'deserved to win' debate because I've made my feelings on that clear already. We're 3 games in and he certainly doesn't seem to know his best 11 which is a concern. Bet you could have a good go at naming the German, Italian and Spanish lineups for the last 16 games, England are still scrambling to find their best combination

[AyewJoking]

embarrassing.

[m4DD0gg]

Hodgson out.

[wardyfox86]

What I don't get is, Slovakia had no desire to attack us, so why didn't we try some more risky passes. If we lose possession at least it would have urged Slovakia to at least come forward with the ball.

All the backwards passes were effectively clearing the ball for them anyway. We aren't creative enough to break teams down so we need to invite them to attack and trust our defenders to defend without the ball.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Pearson wasn't the most highly paid manager in the league. Leicester wasn't a top job so we had no right to expect the best manager. Pearson hadn't failed in all of his previous competitions as Leicester manager. Pearson wasn't 'vastly experienced' at that level and neither were his players. So there's a few reasons why we might have gone a bit easier on Pearson. As i recall he did come in for a fair amount of criticism for his selections though.

Again, not the points I was making at all. 

[Merging Cultures]

What I don't get is, Slovakia had no desire to attack us, so why didn't we try some more risky passes. If we lose possession at least it would have urged Slovakia to at least come forward with the ball.

All the backwards passes were effectively clearing the ball for them anyway. We aren't creative enough to break teams down so we need to invite them to attack and trust our defenders to defend without the ball.

 

Exactly this. All the talk of Vardy not having space, it was because we held on to the ball and didn't do anything with it, allowing them to organise and sit back. Do something the ball, stretch the defence, and create gaps.

[Nod.E]

Does anyone else find the slow, 'patient' build up play from United and now England really fvcking arrogant? 

It's as though passing it around the midfield is supposed to make you a superior team. It's the way they seem so happy to elegantly spray a pass 5 yards.

It's anti entertainment.

It's not actually difficult at all.

Most importantly, it doesn't work (as evidenced by Leicester last season.)

Crisp, fast passing with purpose would have opened space up last night. Instead we were happy racking up passes in front of the Slovak defence. Says it all that the only two players who threatened to do anything of the sort (Wilshere & Sturridge) were dragged.

You get the impression Hodgsgon would have settled for a draw, but perhaps more importantly for him and other football dinosaurs, 95% passing accuracy. Phwoarrrrrr.

Leicester would have been that England side comfortably last night. Kante would have gobbled up countless pointless passes and we'd have been set to pounce on the counter.

[Beliall]

Not one player seemed to want to make a forward pass, from the first to last minute , the only time we got down the flanks was Clyne running at that defender, cross it over everybody, regain the ball, pass it back to midfield, and pass sideways for another 10 mins. awful football. i wouldn't have minded if we had come away 0-0 after peppering their goal for 90 mins, but we didn't. Was Roy playing for the draw you think? And the spurs players are so selfish. within 30 yards of the goal, they shoot. no question. Vardy giving layoffs and flicks and whatever he can we he gets a touch to try and set up a goal, but no -one playing in Leicester's number 9, Clyne should have passed rather than shot. Would have been an easy goal, and probably led to a win. This isn'nt a team, but as someone said a few days ago on here, we have been spoilt watching Leicester this season.

[foxes_rule1978]

Ran out of ideas second half it happens, we try to move on and hope next game they somehow learn to provide a final ball without hitting the first defender, passing it to their keeper or over hitting it out for a goal kick or throw in

[kingcarr21]

To think Drinkwater is sat at home whilst Henderson and Wilshire are here being dogshit is embarrassing

[yorkie1999]

To think Drinkwater is sat at home whilst Henderson and Wilshire are here being dogshit is embarrassing

Pissing himself laughing whilst putting his feet up with a beer.

[J.Lisemore]

It was all about whether we'd take the gamble last night, Hodgson obviously didn't think it was worth the risk to lose the game by opening things up. We played 'safe' and hoped we'd nick it.