Outfox the Fox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 3 hours ago, rico said: Shakey with Chris Powell as assistant to be announced next week,you heard it here 1st I was told by someone working at Belvoir Drive, that Chris Powell took a few training sessions at the end of the season.
foxes21 Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: It's only us that don't know. All the agents out there who need to know will have been told. It shouldnt affect our transfer business Finally some sense in this thread!
Fox 4 Life Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 33 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Has he had his medical yet? Pretty sure he would fail the bleep test
Clever Fox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 7 hours ago, Thracian said: We need positive continuity not the risk-laden turmoil of a massive upheaval. Normally I would be in full agreement, however we failed the first test last Summer. Not only in our Signings but by allowing some of our proven staff to be sacked or leave.?. I think the proven systems that NP put in place should be protected and no Manager should be allowed interfere with them unless he can how there's a better way. Then I think we missed a big opportunity in the Champions league with our whole approach and Tactics for which Shakey has to take a lot of the blame. I just felt he was happy to settle for a respectable exit rather than to fight for a glorious victory. This one opportunity has shaken my confidence in him being the Man to take us to the level the Owners have stated they want us to be at, Namely Top 6.. With that in mind and if our best players are too leave then I see little point in appointing Shakey, As new players with different skills will likely change our Counter attacking system. Based on the above then I do believe a new proven MANAGER with new ideas in tactics and the stature to attract better players to the Club. I've always said that the right manager is priceless. Look what Chelsea got for spending 6.5 Million on Conte. A Premier league Title.Look at the job Pottichino has done at Spurs He cost 3.5 Million. Further evidence that appointing the right Manager is key to success. We know Money is not a problem for us now so just Identify the right Manager and pay him whatever it takes to bring him here. Then everything else will fall into place,
Countryfox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 Just asked an ITK (player) what's happening ... he hasnt got a clue .... mind you we have been on the sauce since 11 this morning ... I will try to pin him down later during the evening stint ....
MattCan Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 don't let the sauce cloud your head or we might be in for another wrong clue ..
Countryfox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 Just now, MattCan said: don't let the sauce cloud your head or we might be in for another wrong clue .. I haven't been wrong yet Matt ... I think Sylo predicted a decision before now .... leave it with me ...
Bunyip Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 1 hour ago, Countryfox said: Just asked an ITK (player) what's happening ... he hasnt got a clue .... mind you we have been on the sauce since 11 this morning ... I will try to pin him down later during the evening stint .... How can he be in ITK if he hasn't got a clue ? just asking.
Thracian Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 2 hours ago, Clever Fox said: Normally I would be in full agreement, however we failed the first test last Summer. Not only in our Signings but by allowing some of our proven staff to be sacked or leave.?. I think the proven systems that NP put in place should be protected and no Manager should be allowed interfere with them unless he can how there's a better way. Then I think we missed a big opportunity in the Champions league with our whole approach and Tactics for which Shakey has to take a lot of the blame. I just felt he was happy to settle for a respectable exit rather than to fight for a glorious victory. This one opportunity has shaken my confidence in him being the Man to take us to the level the Owners have stated they want us to be at, Namely Top 6.. With that in mind and if our best players are too leave then I see little point in appointing Shakey, As new players with different skills will likely change our Counter attacking system. Based on the above then I do believe a new proven MANAGER with new ideas in tactics and the stature to attract better players to the Club. I've always said that the right manager is priceless. Look what Chelsea got for spending 6.5 Million on Conte. A Premier league Title.Look at the job Pottichino has done at Spurs He cost 3.5 Million. Further evidence that appointing the right Manager is key to success. We know Money is not a problem for us now so just Identify the right Manager and pay him whatever it takes to bring him here. Then everything else will fall into place, a) Our best players haven't "left" and I don't see their "leaving" would necessarily be easy if they wanted to. Kante was a special situation that doesn't appear to be mirrored generally. And most of our players are on fairly long contracts from memory. b) I don't accept your assessment of Shakespeare at all. For me our performances after retaining our Premiership status were entirely explicable and understandable. It may be that Shakespeare would have adopted a different tack in certain of those situations in hindsight but we can all be wise in hindsight and the problems he faced were real and not easily or obviously overcome. As for the Champions League every single person I've spoken to individually thought we did exceptionally well against both Sevilla and Atletico. Indeed I still feel we were robbed but to achieve what we did with such a limited squad and such limited options was excellent. Again, hindsight and theoretical alternatives are wonderful but not convincing. c) Shakespeare has already been involved in taking us, and keeping us at the top of the Premiership or performing at a level that would have kept us at or near the top of the Premiership and that's a pretty good recommendation for me although that doesn't negate his need to keep learning like any other manager. d) Where's the indication that Shakespeare can't or won't integrate "new players". Incomers are an inevitability and it may well be that Shakespeare relishes reinforcements given that he quite clearly recognised the limitations of the squad he did have and how quickly it became inadequate with just a few injuries. No-one doubs that appointing the "right manager" is crucial. The question - given that neither Conte nor Pochettino are coming here - is whether Shakespeare is the "right manager" or someone else. I happen to believe Shakespeare has earned and deserves his opportunity, especially in the circumstances, and I've still to hear of an alternative candidate who might challenge that thinking and who's actually indicated he'd like to come here.
TrentFox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 2 hours ago, Countryfox said: Just asked an ITK (player) what's happening ... he hasnt got a clue .... mind you we have been on the sauce since 11 this morning ... I will try to pin him down later during the evening stint .... And when you've done that, ask him about the managerial vacancy, please.
deep blue Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 7 hours ago, Outfox the Fox said: I was told by someone working at Belvoir Drive, that Chris Powell took a few training sessions at the end of the season. Did theyo coincide with those games where we were very poor?
Clever Fox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 4 hours ago, Thracian said: a) Our best players haven't "left" and I don't see their "leaving" would necessarily be easy if they wanted to. Kante was a special situation that doesn't appear to be mirrored generally. And most of our players are on fairly long contracts from memory. b) I don't accept your assessment of Shakespeare at all. For me our performances after retaining our Premiership status were entirely explicable and understandable. It may be that Shakespeare would have adopted a different tack in certain of those situations in hindsight but we can all be wise in hindsight and the problems he faced were real and not easily or obviously overcome. As for the Champions League every single person I've spoken to individually thought we did exceptionally well against both Sevilla and Atletico. Indeed I still feel we were robbed but to achieve what we did with such a limited squad and such limited options was excellent. Again, hindsight and theoretical alternatives are wonderful but not convincing. c) Shakespeare has already been involved in taking us, and keeping us at the top of the Premiership or performing at a level that would have kept us at or near the top of the Premiership and that's a pretty good recommendation for me although that doesn't negate his need to keep learning like any other manager. d) Where's the indication that Shakespeare can't or won't integrate "new players". Incomers are an inevitability and it may well be that Shakespeare relishes reinforcements given that he quite clearly recognised the limitations of the squad he did have and how quickly it became inadequate with just a few injuries. No-one doubs that appointing the "right manager" is crucial. The question - given that neither Conte nor Pochettino are coming here - is whether Shakespeare is the "right manager" or someone else. I happen to believe Shakespeare has earned and deserves his opportunity, especially in the circumstances, and I've still to hear of an alternative candidate who might challenge that thinking and who's actually indicated he'd like to come here. Let me begin by saying as I've said previously that I believe he has earned the right to be given the chance for next season at least.. But I still believe his approach to the Atleitco games were wrong. i know we were up against a far superior side but as you know well Cup games are a one off and anything can happen on the Day. I think the options in the Atletico games were very obvious without the need for hindsight and should have been obvious to Shakey too. Forward planning is very much part of the job. and over the 2 legs he was sadly lacking. On such decisions Managers prove themselves or fail. Hopefully he's learned from it. Shakey played a full strength teams in the midweek and weekends before the games when he could have rested a few knowing the Atletico games were going to be the biggest in the Clubs history. I accept he didn't have a lot of cover to pick from and that wasn't his fault. But he could have rested people on the Sat / Sunday at least. Knowing that we were virtually safe. and a few games still to come. Atletico hadn't played for I think someone said a fortnight before our game. That I believe was his first mistake. His second was the Tactics As to the tactics . He approached the first game playing our usual counter attacking approach which was probably ok except we were playing against possibly the best defense currently in world football, Yet knowing how vital an away Goal can be he asked Vardy to play up top alone which proved too much for him. They never left any gaps and we never threatened or made a dent in them really. Yet remarkably leaving aside the penalty decision we still managed to get away with a 1 nil. In the return leg when we knew we needed to score yet he lined up exactly the same way which they were ready for. I believe we needed to play with width ( which I said before the game ) and should have played either Gray or Chilwell from the start to get behind and turn them facing there own goal. Which would have created space in and around the box and allowed others to get forward in support. I think our second half performance proved that was the right approach as we very nearly achieved the unthinkable. I think Shakey showed poor judgement over those two games which worries me a little going forward. I'd prefer if he was proactive rather than reactive which we'll need to be to take us to the next level. I've seen errors with some players which as head Coach he should have seen also and worked on with them, Yet nothing happened. I agree all Managers have to integrate new players that's always a difficult part of the job. But as our current squad is quite limited, and if our best players leave, then it might be the best time for a whole new approach. I agree though I don't think we'll lose many aside from possibly Mahrez and Slimani. But we've got to sign real quality or we really are then going backwards. I don't accept players won't come here. It just depends on whats on offer and who is doing the selling of our club and vision. I know Conte and Pottichino etc are not coming here. The point I was making was that they both cost very little and have reapid that investment many times over. Money talks and we have plenty of it. The best Managers want to try their hand in the Premiership. People like Simeone or Pelligrini could be tempted with a Salary of 10 to 15 million and a decent transfer budget which we have now. Why can't we tempt them here. if we are serious about cracking the top six. The other alternative is to pick one of the good young managers like Eddie Howe or Wagner or Stam all doing a great job with small Clubs. But either approach might be for the future. I agree Shakey has earned the right to have a go and who knows he might turn out to be a top Manager. I sincerely hope he does. I wish they would make the decision and appoint someone so as everyone knows where they stand and we can get our buying under way.
HankMarvin Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 9 hours ago, ozleicester said: ITK not going to pass his medical if his radioactive
HankMarvin Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 9 hours ago, Countryfox said: Just asked an ITK (player) what's happening ... he hasnt got a clue .... mind you we have been on the sauce since 11 this morning ... I will try to pin him down later during the evening stint .... Well its not Simpson then, thats far too submissive
AmarteyAndChill Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 It's been so long wouldn't surprise me if the owners forgot we needed a new manager for next season.
Wymsey Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 Met an ex board member (seriously) who had been well-respected at the club today, and he said it's Shakespeare - but, as mentioned by some on here, the issue is down to some legal issues.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 10 hours ago, ozleicester said: ITK I love this image, looks like Shakey's been kicked out of Counting House and is mouthing off
Thracian Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 1 hour ago, Clever Fox said: Let me begin by saying as I've said previously that I believe he has earned the right to be given the chance for next season at least.. But I still believe his approach to the Atleitco games were wrong. i know we were up against a far superior side but as you know well Cup games are a one off and anything can happen on the Day. I think the options in the Atletico games were very obvious without the need for hindsight and should have been obvious to Shakey too. Forward planning is very much part of the job. and over the 2 legs he was sadly lacking. On such decisions Managers prove themselves or fail. Hopefully he's learned from it. Shakey played a full strength teams in the midweek and weekends before the games when he could have rested a few knowing the Atletico games were going to be the biggest in the Clubs history. I accept he didn't have a lot of cover to pick from and that wasn't his fault. But he could have rested people on the Sat / Sunday at least. Knowing that we were virtually safe. and a few games still to come. Atletico hadn't played for I think someone said a fortnight before our game. That I believe was his first mistake. His second was the Tactics As to the tactics . He approached the first game playing our usual counter attacking approach which was probably ok except we were playing against possibly the best defense currently in world football, Yet knowing how vital an away Goal can be he asked Vardy to play up top alone which proved too much for him. They never left any gaps and we never threatened or made a dent in them really. Yet remarkably leaving aside the penalty decision we still managed to get away with a 1 nil. In the return leg when we knew we needed to score yet he lined up exactly the same way which they were ready for. I believe we needed to play with width ( which I said before the game ) and should have played either Gray or Chilwell from the start to get behind and turn them facing there own goal. Which would have created space in and around the box and allowed others to get forward in support. I think our second half performance proved that was the right approach as we very nearly achieved the unthinkable. I think Shakey showed poor judgement over those two games which worries me a little going forward. I'd prefer if he was proactive rather than reactive which we'll need to be to take us to the next level. I've seen errors with some players which as head Coach he should have seen also and worked on with them, Yet nothing happened. I agree all Managers have to integrate new players that's always a difficult part of the job. But as our current squad is quite limited, and if our best players leave, then it might be the best time for a whole new approach. I agree though I don't think we'll lose many aside from possibly Mahrez and Slimani. But we've got to sign real quality or we really are then going backwards. I don't accept players won't come here. It just depends on whats on offer and who is doing the selling of our club and vision. I know Conte and Pottichino etc are not coming here. The point I was making was that they both cost very little and have reapid that investment many times over. Money talks and we have plenty of it. The best Managers want to try their hand in the Premiership. People like Simeone or Pelligrini could be tempted with a Salary of 10 to 15 million and a decent transfer budget which we have now. Why can't we tempt them here. if we are serious about cracking the top six. The other alternative is to pick one of the good young managers like Eddie Howe or Wagner or Stam all doing a great job with small Clubs. But either approach might be for the future. I agree Shakey has earned the right to have a go and who knows he might turn out to be a top Manager. I sincerely hope he does. I wish they would make the decision and appoint someone so as everyone knows where they stand and we can get our buying under way. Hobson's choice. Give so much responsibility to Gray and Chilwell in such an important match and you get novices exposed to ridicule. I'm sure Shaky will have weighed your suggestion but the bottom line is that neither have showed themselves flawless by any means. Chilwell, for all his considerable promise, has made two or three mistakes which have contributed to us losing goals while Gray hasn't really shown any great promise in getting behind defences for a long time - and certainly not for more than a a fraction of the 20-25 minutes he's any threat at all. I truly wish it were different and the case for their use was stronger. Chilwell's improved as a player, no question, but I don't think he'd have made a great difference while Gray just hadn't made a case from anything I've watched As for our next manager you mention some decent names but we can only wait and see. I do wish they'd get on with it whatever. My feeling is they might just be sifting through applicants, a tiresome process, but I suppose it's due process. .
chapero82 Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 He's still doing the bleep test! He started it last week so we should give it another week!
Countryfox Posted 2 June 2017 Posted 2 June 2017 7 hours ago, Bunyip said: How can he be in ITK if he hasn't got a clue ? just asking. 6 hours ago, TrentFox said: And when you've done that, ask him about the managerial vacancy, please. 1 hour ago, HankMarvin said: Well its not Simpson then, thats far too submissive You lairy fookers ... he plays for the fookin club ... and I thought I would try and find out if he knows anything ... he THINKS Shakey might have it but doesn't know much more than that .. he's Just a young lad .. bless ... and has now gone off clubbing ... I, along with most of the old boys, have retired to my pit and will stay there till I get the breakfast knock .... back on the ale at 11 am .... costa del binge .. love it ....
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