Claude Puel lays out his vision for Leicester City

[southfox66]

I think his vision is to bleed the life out of us and make us as boring as him, i really dont understand why anyone sings his praises he had a honeymoon period when he started but last 15 plus he has been mostly shite

[purpleronnie]

Now I know why he turned Southampton's scoring record into one of the poorest in the league.

 

It's what he does and we were warned.

 

It seems (unlike Claudio) the warnings were justified.

 

I do worry about next season.

 

But thankfully the premiership has never been poorer.

[Mark]

The one thing I’m hanging onto is that he looks as frustrated as us on the touchline, and did make the right call in dropping Morgan and Simpson tonight.

[MC Prussian]

People usually only have visions when they're on drugs.

 

Just sayin'.

[lozzyblue fox]

2 minutes ago, Mark said:

The one thing I’m hanging onto is that he looks as frustrated as us on the touchline, and did make the right call in dropping Morgan and Simpson tonight.

we can all stand on the touch line and look frustrated hes perfected that look since being Southamptons manager

[MC Prussian]

Imagine.

 

Claude Puel is on track to finish two successive seasons on 46 points and in 8th spot with two different clubs...

 

(Please give Burnley a run for the money in the last four matches)

[Dr The Singh]

He needs to apply his skills in Italy

[WoodyFox]

I’m on the fence with Puel.

 

But I would say, what happens if he goes and someone comes in and we lose the first 5 next season? Back to square one.

 

Also, don’t forget what’s happened to Southampton since he left them? 

 

Would only get rid if they have a top, top manager ready to replace him. 

[Babylon]

24 minutes ago, Mark said:

The one thing I’m hanging onto is that he looks as frustrated as us on the touchline, and did make the right call in dropping Morgan and Simpson tonight.

Yep, I feel like he sees the problem like most of us. I agree with his long term planning... but he really needs a couple of performances in the next four, without them I think he'll be gone. Long term vision is fine, but you need at least the odd glimpse of progression to win fans and the owners trust to get the time to implement that vision.

[BlueSi13]

He's more than welcome to layout his vision for the future.

 

Just as long as someone else comes in during the summer to implement it.  

[lcfc sheff]

he's saying the right things, but the players are doing the wrong things it would seem

[Chester Dontlie]

I just hope the owners won't take their eyes off the ball till the end of the season and watch him closely. 

[Sharpe's Fox]

Can Wes, Kasper and Vards now just make the move and go to Vichai telling him to bin this loser? Ta

Edited 19 April 2018 by Sharpe's Fox

[StriderHiryu]

I understand all of the negativity from the fans as most, if not all are fed up with the style of play we are seeing. However, I would ask the question "is it worth taking one step backwards to stake two steps forward?" Leicester City have never been a team that bosses possession and ruthlessly dominates teams from start to finish. We don't do pass and move, we've either been direct or played the counter attack. Both of those styles did work at times, famously so, but aren't styles that top teams play to consistently place highly in the league and challenge for cups regularly. And that is both the goal of the owners and surely of the fans too. We are quite literally undergoing a transition phase.

 

As the saying goes, Rome was not built in a day. Our passing as a team is a lot better than it was at the start of the season and in many games we control the game. Tonight at the end we had Chilwell, Barnes, Chodhury, Ndidi, Gray, Diabate and Maguire on the pitch. Nacho started, Dragovic was in for Morgan and Albrighton was at right-back as a player that could provide an overload and cross it into the box. Technical players have been introduced into the team (Silva, Diabate) and youth team players are getting chances to play. Is this not exactly the thing we should expect as part of a transition period?

 

Thus is it worth persevering with the current manager and trying to keep passing it about so that the team improves and eventually becomes a more dominating team, which we can build on over the years?

 

For me I would say yes, but it is hard to ignore the boring displays we've been putting in. Football is at the end of the day entertainment for fans and we want to be entertained. I know that for many, though we might have a lot more of the ball and pass it around, it's not nearly as exciting as not having the ball but countering with blistering pace and deadly finishing. It's also seen as a wasted opportunity by many that in a league that is weak and with a squad of players who won the title just 2 years ago that we seem so inept going forward.

 

You look at Southampton this season and worry, because Puel was their coach last year, and their drop in form last year was followed by a disastrous one this season. But at the same time any manager needs time to change the style and ethos of a club. Even Guardiola, Klopp and Pochetino did not pull it off over night.

 

I'm actually quite torn. I see a lot of things that are really encouraging and make me excited. But I think it's *crucial* for a team to embody the fans as it's our club. Our fans don't like the football we are seeing right now - that is a fact. Can we trust a manager to implement a long term plan if the football will remain boring?

 

I was really hoping Puel would bag a couple of wins before the end of the season to satiate the understandable frustration so he would have time to build in the summer. But I'd rate it as 50/50 that he stays right now.

[Wymsey]

If he gets sacked and his replacement achieves similar and nothing more, would some regret wanting him out if he does depart?

[MC Prussian]

6 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

If he gets sacked and his replacement achieves similar and nothing more, would some regret wanting him out if he does depart?

That's a lot of conjecture in one sentence.

[TheUltimateWinner]

19 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I understand all of the negativity from the fans as most, if not all are fed up with the style of play we are seeing. However, I would ask the question "is it worth taking one step backwards to stake two steps forward?" Leicester City have never been a team that bosses possession and ruthlessly dominates teams from start to finish. We don't do pass and move, we've either been direct or played the counter attack. Both of those styles did work at times, famously so, but aren't styles that top teams play to consistently place highly in the league and challenge for cups regularly. And that is both the goal of the owners and surely of the fans too. We are quite literally undergoing a transition phase.

 

As the saying goes, Rome was not built in a day. Our passing as a team is a lot better than it was at the start of the season and in many games we control the game. Tonight at the end we had Chilwell, Barnes, Chodhury, Ndidi, Gray, Diabate and Maguire on the pitch. Nacho started, Dragovic was in for Morgan and Albrighton was at right-back as a player that could provide an overload and cross it into the box. Technical players have been introduced into the team (Silva, Diabate) and youth team players are getting chances to play. Is this not exactly the thing we should expect as part of a transition period?

 

Thus is it worth persevering with the current manager and trying to keep passing it about so that the team improves and eventually becomes a more dominating team, which we can build on over the years?

 

For me I would say yes, but it is hard to ignore the boring displays we've been putting in. Football is at the end of the day entertainment for fans and we want to be entertained. I know that for many, though we might have a lot more of the ball and pass it around, it's not nearly as exciting as not having the ball but countering with blistering pace and deadly finishing. It's also seen as a wasted opportunity by many that in a league that is weak and with a squad of players who won the title just 2 years ago that we seem so inept going forward.

 

You look at Southampton this season and worry, because Puel was their coach last year, and their drop in form last year was followed by a disastrous one this season. But at the same time any manager needs time to change the style and ethos of a club. Even Guardiola, Klopp and Pochetino did not pull it off over night.

 

I'm actually quite torn. I see a lot of things that are really encouraging and make me excited. But I think it's *crucial* for a team to embody the fans as it's our club. Our fans don't like the football we are seeing right now - that is a fact. Can we trust a manager to implement a long term plan if the football will remain boring?

 

I was really hoping Puel would bag a couple of wins before the end of the season to satiate the understandable frustration so he would have time to build in the summer. But I'd rate it as 50/50 that he stays right now.

Spot on and really well thought out post. Exactly my thoughts.

[The Doctor]

7 hours ago, Ian S said:

The fact we are nit picking over whether a point a game is relegation form or even having the conversation really says it all.Furthermore your credibility will take a bash if you really believe that with just our fair share of luck since the turn of the year we would be 14 points better off!.As for encouraging displays recently,name them as I think they will be more than matched by average/poor ones.

He needs a strong end to the season to even start to convince me,starting tonight.

What it says is that I'm not massively fond of lying to try and score points. We've not hit relegation form in any sense under Puel.

 

Frankly, I'm going by what the stats say and what the score-line would typically be based on expected goals. That said, the improvement in expected score-line (as it were xG v xGA) in the past few months is the mirror of the first period under Puel, where our actual points tally outstripped our expected one. But, I've crunched through since Puel started until prior to kick-off tonight (not got the xG for those yet), table on actual results:

 

Pos	Team	P	GF	GA	GD	Points
1	MNC	24	61	21	40	62
2	LIV	25	64	19	45	57
3	MNU	25	43	22	21	54
4	TOT	25	47	25	22	48
5	CHE	24	34	22	12	42
6	BUR	24	25	20	5	39
7	ARS	24	42	32	10	38
8	LEI	24	35	33	2	34
9	EVE	25	31	36	-5	34
10	CRY	25	33	35	-2	31
11	BOU	26	35	45	-10	31
12	WHU	24	33	41	-8	28
13	NEW	24	24	25	-1	25
14	BRI	25	23	37	-14	25
15	SWA	24	20	36	-16	23
16	HUD	25	20	44	-24	23
17	WAT	25	27	43	-16	22
18	STO	25	21	44	-23	20
19	SOU	24	24	42	-18	17
20	WBA	25	20	42	-22	14

and table based on expected results:

 

Pos	Team	P	xG	xGA	xGD	xPoints
1	MNC	24	59	16	43	65
2	LIV	25	54	23	31	62
3	TOT	25	49	24	25	56
4	CHE	24	45	20	25	55
5	CRY	25	42	35	7	41
6	ARS	24	44	32	12	40
7	MNU	25	38	33	5	39
8	LEI	24	31	31	0	35
9	EVE	25	34	39	-5	29
10	BRI	25	28	34	-6	28
11	NEW	24	30	37	-7	26
12	WBA	25	25	33	-8	26
13	SOU	24	27	34	-7	22
14	WAT	25	27	37	-10	22
15	HUD	25	20	37	-17	21
16	BOU	26	27	49	-22	21
17	SWA	24	20	37	-17	20
18	STO	25	22	42	-20	20
19	WHU	24	23	39	-16	19
20	BUR	24	20	33	-13	17

 

Aside from the interesting sections on other teams (just how madly Burnley are defying the mean), you can see in both cases for us eighth (far more secure based on performances than on points) and within a good shout of 7th. 

 

As in the link I gave you, over the past few months we've created a lot of good chances (hence good xG) and not given away many good ones (hence good xGA). That's encouraging, because regression to the mean should see us start scoring in line with our xG (outscored it from Puels arrival til the new year, underscoring it since) and conceding in line with our xGA.

[chapero82]

He said the night that they played how he wanted us to play! That’s the worrying part! 

[Wymsey]

Heard on Radio Leicester that a big transfer war chest of £150m is available.

This Summer will be massive recruitment-wise.

[Ian S]

43 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

What it says is that I'm not massively fond of lying to try and score points. We've not hit relegation form in any sense under Puel.

 

Frankly, I'm going by what the stats say and what the score-line would typically be based on expected goals. That said, the improvement in expected score-line (as it were xG v xGA) in the past few months is the mirror of the first period under Puel, where our actual points tally outstripped our expected one. But, I've crunched through since Puel started until prior to kick-off tonight (not got the xG for those yet), table on actual results:

 

Pos	Team	P	GF	GA	GD	Points
1	MNC	24	61	21	40	62
2	LIV	25	64	19	45	57
3	MNU	25	43	22	21	54
4	TOT	25	47	25	22	48
5	CHE	24	34	22	12	42
6	BUR	24	25	20	5	39
7	ARS	24	42	32	10	38
8	LEI	24	35	33	2	34
9	EVE	25	31	36	-5	34
10	CRY	25	33	35	-2	31
11	BOU	26	35	45	-10	31
12	WHU	24	33	41	-8	28
13	NEW	24	24	25	-1	25
14	BRI	25	23	37	-14	25
15	SWA	24	20	36	-16	23
16	HUD	25	20	44	-24	23
17	WAT	25	27	43	-16	22
18	STO	25	21	44	-23	20
19	SOU	24	24	42	-18	17
20	WBA	25	20	42	-22	14

and table based on expected results:

 

Pos	Team	P	xG	xGA	xGD	xPoints
1	MNC	24	59	16	43	65
2	LIV	25	54	23	31	62
3	TOT	25	49	24	25	56
4	CHE	24	45	20	25	55
5	CRY	25	42	35	7	41
6	ARS	24	44	32	12	40
7	MNU	25	38	33	5	39
8	LEI	24	31	31	0	35
9	EVE	25	34	39	-5	29
10	BRI	25	28	34	-6	28
11	NEW	24	30	37	-7	26
12	WBA	25	25	33	-8	26
13	SOU	24	27	34	-7	22
14	WAT	25	27	37	-10	22
15	HUD	25	20	37	-17	21
16	BOU	26	27	49	-22	21
17	SWA	24	20	37	-17	20
18	STO	25	22	42	-20	20
19	WHU	24	23	39	-16	19
20	BUR	24	20	33	-13	17

 

Aside from the interesting sections on other teams (just how madly Burnley are defying the mean), you can see in both cases for us eighth (far more secure based on performances than on points) and within a good shout of 7th. 

 

As in the link I gave you, over the past few months we've created a lot of good chances (hence good xG) and not given away many good ones (hence good xGA). That's encouraging, because regression to the mean should see us start scoring in line with our xG (outscored it from Puels arrival til the new year, underscoring it since) and conceding in line with our xGA.

xG and xGA means bugger all.Put the ball in the net and beat some p*** poor team for a change.

So if Puel is in charge next season and we have 18 points after 17 games  but our xG  is good against our xGA then all will be well with the world? No it will mean we are in a relegation dogfight.

[The Doctor]

6 hours ago, Ian S said:

xG and xGAmeans bugger all.Put the ball in the net and beat some p*** poor team for a change.

So if Puel is in charge next season and we have 18 points after 17 games  but our xG  is good against our xGA then all will be well with the world? No it will mean we are in a relegation dogfight.

What they show is whether a run of results is sustainable, and at present they show that our form is worse that should expected from what is happening on the pitch, and so results should improve with how we're playing.

[MC Prussian]

4 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

What they show is whether a run of results is sustainable, and at present they show that our form is worse that should expected from what is happening on the pitch, and so results should improve with how we're playing.

That's the crux of the matter with stats.

It's about what you think will/should happen as opposed to what really happens in the end.

 

It's all fine and dandy to pull those statistics when they fit your argument and use them as an instrument to underline your personal hopes regarding the club, but Puel and the team need to put these chances away or else it'll end in tears.

He's got at least four more games to prove your numbers right.

Edited 20 April 2018 by MC Prussian

[m4DD0gg]

We wont win again this season under clown puel. 

[foxinsocks]

Last night he clearly laid out his vision.

 

It was southampton ffs... not Barcelona