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Kelechi Iheanacho / Nacho Man

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7 hours ago, danny2997 said:

How? Kramaric, for us, was as garbage as Iheanacho is now. 

 

Iheanacho randomly deciding to take it first time on his weaker foot against Man City is exactly the same bizarre decision making that made Kramaric decide to chip it into the keepers hands against Arsenal when one-on-one.

 

Both players have in their time shown that they can be good in a Leicester shirt, Iheanacho being at the end of last season.

 

I'm interested to hear why you think the situations are so different? 

I'm pretty sure he's left footed, hence the reason he took it first time. But to be honest it doesn't help his case as to how poor the attempt was. A striker with zero confidence is the most useless position on the pitch. 

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9 hours ago, danny2997 said:

How? Kramaric, for us, was as garbage as Iheanacho is now. 

 

Iheanacho randomly deciding to take it first time on his weaker foot against Man City is exactly the same bizarre decision making that made Kramaric decide to chip it into the keepers hands against Arsenal when one-on-one.

 

Both players have in their time shown that they can be good in a Leicester shirt, Iheanacho being at the end of last season.

 

I'm interested to hear why you think the situations are so different? 

Kramaric didn't get into a title winning team. He said that as he left - it wasn't his time. 

 

Iheanacho isn't getting into a fair to middling team and has been given ample chance. 

 

Don't pretend that's not a huge difference please. 

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2 hours ago, murphy said:

It was his stronger foot.  He is left footed. 

 

2 hours ago, M0901 said:

I'm pretty sure he's left footed

Fair enough, I stand corrected on this example but I still believe the decision making between the two here is very similar. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Kramaric didn't get into a title winning team. He said that as he left - it wasn't his time. 

 

Iheanacho isn't getting into a fair to middling team and has been given ample chance. 

 

Don't pretend that's not a huge difference please. 

The team as a whole may not be performing as well but he is still fighting for a place against Vardy, who is still as good as he was then. 

 

 

4 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

There is a huge difference or didn't you watch the odd cameo Kramaric had, which was far less chance than Nacho had. Kramaric clearly had talent but didn't fit in with the style of play we had at the time. Also, his competition was an on fire speeding into channels Vardy with mainly Okazaki in an advanced harrying more midfield role. When the latter tired, Ulloa would come on with his height for crosses and hold up play. Kramaric couldn't at his young age compete in any of those roles at that time and as a 4th striker, the law of averages suggests opportunities were scarce. 

 

Nacho is our only recognised 2nd striker and under several managers now can't get a game. The law of averages there suggests they can't all be wrong. His international manager denounced him twice, once for being unprofessional, it's there for all to see. His inabilities re touch, playing the main striker as well as a number 10 are well recorded on here as is his lack of effort. Kramaric was always talented, gave his best, but was unfortunate due to our team make up at the time. Nacho has been here two years now and shown nothing,  including determination and effort.

But like I said in my previous post, Iheanacho HAS shown talent in odd cameos, to around the same proportion as Kramaric did but has also shown amplified proportion of being useless having played more games. If you think I haven't seen Kramaric's good cameos then, your post suggests the same for you for Iheanacho. 

 

The lad is in a hole right now, and admittedly doesn't appear to be doing enough himself to get out of it. It would be a win for all of us if Rodgers manages to get the best out of him, but I agree that he's definitely hanging by a thread here at this point. 

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I have been reading valiant attempts to defend Iheanacho for what seems like years.  It is always the same argument of hope over experience and whenever he gets his chance he fails to take it.

 

I think we have no choice but to persevere with him as he has such little resale value and I'm sure that our owners are not willing to write off £25m.

 

I've given up on him though.  He has had his time and has currently made himself almost unselectable.  I don't expect to see some kind of Lazarus style turnaround.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, murphy said:

I have been reading valiant attempts to defend Iheanacho for what seems like years.  It is always the same argument of hope over experience and whenever he gets his chance he fails to take it.

 

I think we have no choice but to persevere with him as he has such little resale value and I'm sure that our owners are not willing to write off £25m.

 

I've given up on him though.  He has had his time and has currently made himself almost unselectable.  I don't expect to see some kind of Lazarus style turnaround.  

 

 

Your opinion is fair, and as long as when he's on the pitch you're willing to support and not boo then you're entitled to it.

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3 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Kramaric didn't get into a title winning team. He said that as he left - it wasn't his time. 

 

Iheanacho isn't getting into a fair to middling team and has been given ample chance. 

 

Don't pretend that's not a huge difference please. 

The problem still stands that regardless of what we are doing as a team, whilst we have one of the most prolific strikers in the country then any other striker just isn't going to get a sniff. The key difference with Iheanacho is though his confidence and morale appear to be at an all time low and he's now offering very little as an impact player.

 

I still think the ideal scenario of having a back up striker that scores once every few sub appearances is harder than it sounds, the whole environment of trying to be effective with 20 mins here and there often in games that are either not going for the team and the shape of the team is changed or when games are done and dusted and the whole team is keeping it tight and protecting a result. There aren't many clubs that have a back up striker who is reliable, they either have a main striker out of sorts so there's real competition between the two or teams change their back up strikers like they change their kegs as the player never really does much and asks to move on.

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19 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

You'll have to forgive me not taking your psychoanalysis and body language assessment seriously.

Oh come on fella. Nacho has hardly worked his arse off when played has he? Has he thrown everything at a game to win a spot in the team? 

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1 minute ago, Foxhateram said:

Oh come on fella. Nacho has hardly worked his arse off when played has he? Has he thrown everything at a game to win a spot in the team? 

This may come as a surprise to you but not all players run round like a twat all game 

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3 hours ago, danny2997 said:

 

Fair enough, I stand corrected on this example but I still believe the decision making between the two here is very similar. 

 

 

The team as a whole may not be performing as well but he is still fighting for a place against Vardy, who is still as good as he was then. 

 

 

But like I said in my previous post, Iheanacho HAS shown talent in odd cameos, to around the same proportion as Kramaric did but has also shown amplified proportion of being useless having played more games. If you think I haven't seen Kramaric's good cameos then, your post suggests the same for you for Iheanacho. 

 

The lad is in a hole right now, and admittedly doesn't appear to be doing enough himself to get out of it. It would be a win for all of us if Rodgers manages to get the best out of him, but I agree that he's definitely hanging by a thread here at this point. 

Unfortunately I think you're looking at him with blue tinted specs because I haven't seen anything remotely promising. This is understandable because you clearly want to support him and wish him to do well. The best I could give him is that on the odd occasion, I suppose he's been less poor than perhaps his previous performance. When his own midfielders overtake him busting a gut to get in the box for a potential goalscoring opportunity whilst he dawdles with his thumb up his arse there's a suggestion of bone idleness. He has on a couple of occasions under Rodgers ran a bit more but as he's only come on for a few minutes so he should. I take no pleasure in saying this as I too was excited when we signed him, I thought it was brilliant and boded well for the future as a successor for Vardy. The self will to achieve at club and national level seems minimal. He's been tried in different formations and positions but just doesn't sadly appear to have any redeeming features.

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1 hour ago, danny2997 said:

Your opinion is fair, and as long as when he's on the pitch you're willing to support and not boo then you're entitled to it.

Absolutely.  I have said many times here that the booing of Nacho and Ghezzal is shameful.

 

I criticise on here when I feel a player has let us down and that's how I feel with Nacho.  I also think that this is the right place to air your frustrations sometimes.  At the ground I believe that the fans have a job to do and that is to get behind the team, rain or shine.

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1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

The problem still stands that regardless of what we are doing as a team, whilst we have one of the most prolific strikers in the country then any other striker just isn't going to get a sniff. The key difference with Iheanacho is though his confidence and morale appear to be at an all time low and he's now offering very little as an impact player.

 

I still think the ideal scenario of having a back up striker that scores once every few sub appearances is harder than it sounds, the whole environment of trying to be effective with 20 mins here and there often in games that are either not going for the team and the shape of the team is changed or when games are done and dusted and the whole team is keeping it tight and protecting a result. There aren't many clubs that have a back up striker who is reliable, they either have a main striker out of sorts so there's real competition between the two or teams change their back up strikers like they change their kegs as the player never really does much and asks to move on.

Hmmm.  I'm not convinced.  There were strikers that used to specialise in the super sub role such as Solskjaer, Hernandez, Rosler.  Some players that are impact players when they come on.  In fact, that is precisely how Nacho scored his goals for Man City.  Coming off the bench.  He has just been exposed as ordinary away from the Man City Galacticos. 

 

It's not just the fact that he doesn't score for us, it is the fact that his touch is awful, his body language and application appear lacking and he is making basic errors like that comedy attempted flick on that ended up being a defensive header for the opposition and nearly resulted in a breakaway goal. 

 

I just think the excuses have well and truly worn thin now.  In two years he has failed to the point that his reputation has just fallen off a cliff.  I can't see anything in him and I don't think he ever wanted to be here.

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2 hours ago, murphy said:

Hmmm.  I'm not convinced.  There were strikers that used to specialise in the super sub role such as Solskjaer, Hernandez, Rosler.  Some players that are impact players when they come on.  In fact, that is precisely how Nacho scored his goals for Man City.  Coming off the bench.  He has just been exposed as ordinary away from the Man City Galacticos. 

 

It's not just the fact that he doesn't score for us, it is the fact that his touch is awful, his body language and application appear lacking and he is making basic errors like that comedy attempted flick on that ended up being a defensive header for the opposition and nearly resulted in a breakaway goal. 

 

I just think the excuses have well and truly worn thin now.  In two years he has failed to the point that his reputation has just fallen off a cliff.  I can't see anything in him and I don't think he ever wanted to be here.

All those strikers you have quoted were from an era where teams played two strikers and started a fair few games. Iheanacho at best is getting 5-10 starts a season. I expect more from him and he's evidently a broken man right now but my point still stands how difficult it is to find and keep impact strikers. They arent too happy to stick about playing 10 mins a game.

 

When was the last one we had? Ulloa in 15/16 probably when we were creating so many chances and being in an environment where it was easier to perform.

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I still think our backup striker should be a big b***tard that would not only be a goal threat from set peices, but also give us the option to play with Vardy (knock downs Heskey Owen style) or replace Vardy and hold it up bringing in the other attackers into play. It also allows us to completely bypass the midfield if playing stronger opposition...

 

It seems unfashionable at the moment but feel it would give us more options than just bringing on Nacho chasing a game. 

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37 minutes ago, Collymore said:

I still think our backup striker should be a big b***tard that would not only be a goal threat from set peices, but also give us the option to play with Vardy (knock downs Heskey Owen style) or replace Vardy and hold it up bringing in the other attackers into play. It also allows us to completely bypass the midfield if playing stronger opposition...

 

It seems unfashionable at the moment but feel it would give us more options than just bringing on Nacho chasing a game. 

Brendan at a Q and A said he won’t pay millions for a ‘lamppost’

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... I really do not see this as just a confidence issue. 

From the comments from his International coach, regarding arriving late for training his attitude when he does turn up, our managers use of his skills in view of the time on the pitch. 

  Just speculation but I really think he is in a mental dark place and this might be more off the pitch issues and more like financial problems that he has found himself in. 

 Prior to his move to us, the hold up was due to contractual rights in respect of his Image rights which seemed quite dubious as it was claimed to be owned by two agencies at the same time. His apparent greed may have once again led him into a situation that he is unable to extract himself and the pressure is coming from outside the football arena and I just do not see this as solely a confidence issue with what we have seen. If you lack confidence you don't want to be on the pitch, your coach sees this in training, people notice. 

  This club set up doesn't suit him... moreover he has problems and probably all of his making!! 

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His confidence is shot and he seems to be almost hiding from the ball at times.  He seems to be getting worse, not better. It's not easy to know what to do.   I'd give him until Christmas to improve under Brendan, and if that doesn't work, I'd loan him to a Championship side or sell him.  

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On ‎12‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 21:12, Collymore said:

I still think our backup striker should be a big b***tard that would not only be a goal threat from set peices, but also give us the option to play with Vardy (knock downs Heskey Owen style) or replace Vardy and hold it up bringing in the other attackers into play. It also allows us to completely bypass the midfield if playing stronger opposition...

 

It seems unfashionable at the moment but feel it would give us more options than just bringing on Nacho chasing a game. 

Slimani ?

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