The "do they mean us?" thread pt 2

[davieG]

2 minutes ago, Dorkingfox said:

It is strange how some people support a team. My two boys and daughter we born in Surrey and only ever lived in Dorking where I moved to in the mid 80's. I took them to see Chelsea and Palace, offered to get them season ticket for a local team, they went to a few matches but always wanted to support Leicester City and the Tigers, I did warn them it would be a very frustrating thing to do, but they have stuck with it and glad they did. Dylan, my youngest boy is now at Uni in Leicester, loving it and going to as many matches as possible.

My Brother was similar he like me was born in London became a LCFC fan moved to Zambia with two very young boys and they've never lived in Leicester since, brother and one of his son's live in the South East and the other lives in the Philippines all three are ardent LCFC fans but rarely get to see them live. 

 

If they were 'big' team supporters they'd be called glory boys 

[Countryfox]

13 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well I must be different then because I was born in Chelsea ...

 

Begone devil ! ...

 

 

[cambridgefox]

16 minutes ago, Dorkingfox said:

It is strange how some people support a team. My two boys and daughter we born in Surrey and only ever lived in Dorking where I moved to in the mid 80's. I took them to see Chelsea and Palace, offered to get them season ticket for a local team, they went to a few matches but always wanted to support Leicester City and the Tigers, I did warn them it would be a very frustrating thing to do, but they have stuck with it and glad they did. Dylan, my youngest boy is now at Uni in Leicester, loving it and going to as many matches as possible.

Said it on here loads,and not wanting to sound boring,but my reason for supporting Leicester as a kid in 80s was different.

First glittery club badge in my Panini sticker book.Thats it.

[los dedos]

The amount of kids in Leicester tops at kids football training these days is massive compared to only a few years ago  . I even know of Liverpool supporting Dads whose kids are choosing Leicester over the scousers .

[davieG]

3 minutes ago, los dedos said:

The amount of kids in Leicester tops at kids football training these days is massive compared to only a few years ago  . I even know of Liverpool supporting Dads whose kids are choosing Leicester over the scousers .

This is why we need a bigger stadium - Now!

[Stuntman_Mike]

35 minutes ago, davieG said:

There may have been more local glory hunters back in the 70s but these days there are plenty of people that do not live in the city where they were born, my Son-in-law is a born and bread Liverpudlian and lives in Oxfordshire and his 2 kids are both, I'd say quite naturally Liverpool fans  but then I was born down the road from Stamford Bridge but have been an LCFC fan since I first started watching football.

 

Things aren't always what they seem.

See I love it when things are mixed up a bit and you get fans in different places who are genuine.

 

We're all football fans at the end of the day and if one town was full of people who supported the same club it would be boring.

 

My best mates dad is a Chelsea fan, born in London and followed them when Fulham were the better team in West London. If my best mate was to follow his dad's wishes, despite failed attempts with a Chelsea baby grow etc, he'd be a Chelsea fan with his thick Leicester accent. You'd just assume he was a tag along from the Abramovich era.

 

It's when there is no link whatsoever that it really frustrates me because these people are actually missing out on what it's all about. 

[HighPeakFox]

BBC has a league table based on xG, and they've made a small error, which may or may not be revealing. Their table shows Man City as being top, up 1 place. Unimportant really, but bloody annoying.

 

 

Edited 31 December 2019 by HighPeakFox

[Stoopid]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

Well I must be different then because I was born in Chelsea and moved to Leicester when I was 7 didn't start watching football until I was 15ish used to go to some LCFC games but also went to a few Chelsea ones when visiting family.

 

Both teams had excellent players and I enjoyed watching both but then this was when fans occasionally used to applaud really good play by the opposition as I recall.

 

But a decision had to be made when the 2 teams met in the League Cup Final and I chose LCFC and never looked back and never regretted it.

Yeah - well circumstances obviously differ from person to person. Coming from inner-city Leicester (in those days anyway) meant there was never any other option. It wasn't anything to do with choice. 

Why that changed - and to what extent - is an interesting sociological question. Who knows?

They were very different times, that's for sure, though I'm not sure I remember it as a more sporting or balanced era as you imply. As I remember it was just as fiercely tribal and one-eyed as it is now. In fact, considerably more so. Filbert Street in the 60s saw a vastly more hostile crowd than the blue rinse brigade at the KP these days.

Though I recall the whole ground at White Hart Lane once, Leicester fans included, reacting with stunned appreciation after Jimmy Greaves scored what - to this day - remains the greatest goal I've ever seen. That can still happen though - think Ronaldo in the Champions League.

The past may is a foreign country (I've heard it said), and as such the differences are what make it interesting.

 

Edited 31 December 2019 by Stoopid

[Guest Markyblue]

Don't live in Leicester now but brought up on the braunstone and unlike some parts of the city you supported city without a second thought. 

[davieG]

38 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Yeah - well circumstances obviously differ from person to person. Coming from inner-city Leicester (in those days anyway) meant there was never any other option. It wasn't anything to do with choice. 

Why that changed - and to what extent - is an interesting sociological question. Who knows?

They were very different times, that's for sure, though I'm not sure I remember it as a more sporting or balanced era as you imply. As I remember it was just as fiercely tribal and one-eyed as it is now. In fact, considerably more so. Filbert Street in the 60s saw a vastly more hostile crowd than the blue rinse brigade at the KP these days.

Though I recall the whole ground at White Hart Lane once, Leicester fans included, reacting with stunned appreciation after Jimmy Greaves scored what - to this day - remains the greatest goal I've ever seen. That can still happen though - think Ronaldo in the Champions League.

The past may is a foreign country (I've heard it said), and as such the differences are what make it interesting.

 

Oh it was still tribal but much more 'gentlemanly' tribal as i recall certainly not the venom and hatred that arose during the 70s+ the sporting aspect was not an everyday occurrence but it did happen. I was at WHL when Greaves scored direct from a corner and was roundly applauded momentarily and then the singing began.

 

I just remember the tribal aspect being more to do with supporting your own team rather than directed at the opposition fans, something I still don't understand.

[Dorkingfox]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

No doubt but not always, people should be more wary with their judgement these days.

No one is being judged, it is just strange that you do not support the club where born. I know there are many reason why people may choose a different team, but then you do not get the your team so often. To choose a team because they and top is a bit shallow.

[Dorkingfox]

53 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Yeah - well circumstances obviously differ from person to person. Coming from inner-city Leicester (in those days anyway) meant there was never any other option. It wasn't anything to do with choice. 

Why that changed - and to what extent - is an interesting sociological question. Who knows?

They were very different times, that's for sure, though I'm not sure I remember it as a more sporting or balanced era as you imply. As I remember it was just as fiercely tribal and one-eyed as it is now. In fact, considerably more so. Filbert Street in the 60s saw a vastly more hostile crowd than the blue rinse brigade at the KP these days.

Though I recall the whole ground at White Hart Lane once, Leicester fans included, reacting with stunned appreciation after Jimmy Greaves scored what - to this day - remains the greatest goal I've ever seen. That can still happen though - think Ronaldo in the Champions League.

The past may is a foreign country (I've heard it said), and as such the differences are what make it interesting.

 

Yes, I was an inner-city inhabitant, born in the Royal between the football and rugby ground so no choice. Filbert Street could be a rough old place in the 60's and 70's, full of passion, but as a spectator I think I prefer the KP now, but as a young supporter with you mates, standing at FS took some beating. I think if you choose another team where you were not born seems an odd one to me, but everyone to their own. The thrill of 2015/16 Prem win was really mind blowing, unless you were a spuds fan.

[OadbyBlue]

13 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I am afraid that the weird obsession with how bad the people and fans of Liverpool are is pretty distasteful. 

It’s not the people of Liverpool for me, it’s the lfc fans from Leicester, Surrey, Devon, Ireland etc 

[Manini]

7 minutes ago, OadbyBlue said:

It’s not the people of Liverpool for me, it’s the lfc fans from Leicester, Surrey, Devon, Ireland etc 

Yeah sums it up for me too. I know a lot of scousers and they’re all sound, know their footy too - few spiteful scallys but no different to some wrongens you meet in Leicester or any other part of the country. 

[CosbehFox]

11 minutes ago, OadbyBlue said:

It’s not the people of Liverpool for me, it’s the lfc fans from Leicester, Surrey, Devon, Ireland etc 

I can understand Devon and Ireland to an extent. I can’t understand cities and towns where there are existing football clubs with hundreds of years history 

[Stoopid]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

Oh it was still tribal but much more 'gentlemanly' tribal as i recall certainly not the venom and hatred that arose during the 70s+ the sporting aspect was not an everyday occurrence but it did happen. I was at WHL when Greaves scored direct from a corner and was roundly applauded momentarily and then the singing began.

 

I just remember the tribal aspect being more to do with supporting your own team rather than directed at the opposition fans, something I still don't understand.

Well, memory tends to be selective I guess and we perhaps remember things that suit whatever narrative we've constructed around our lives. There's a definite human tendency to see the past as a better place than actually it was.

As for tribalism being more 'gentlemanly' back then I'm not so sure. The skinhead phenomenon started in the 60s and had precious few adherents who could be described as gentlemen.

And I remember a game against Forest at Filbert Street in about 67 or 68 - no later, certainly - where there was what can only be described as a bloody battle throughout the afternoon. No segregation to speak of, and fights - real fights - all over the shop. Fans constantly spilling out onto the pitch as first City, then Forest, then City again fought for control of the Kop. Fights were even breaking out in the Main Stand and basically everywhere you looked.

Can't be arsed to look it up. Not even sure where you would, but there were well over a hundred arrests, and a fair few - eleven from memory - got banned for life.

Forest was the worst, but I recall pretty vicious tear-ups from that time against Man Utd and Everton too. Especially Everton.

Custom and habit may change over the course of a few decades, but human nature remains essentially the same. People then were certainly no kinder or given to fair-play than they are now. It's just that life was much less regulated then, and probably less was made of it. Growing up in Leicester in the 60s I actually remember society in general as more violent than it is now. Certainly from a street-fighting point of view. It's just that people didn't see it as anything particularly noteworthy. It just happened.

 

[OadbyBlue]

4 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I can understand Devon and Ireland to an extent. I can’t understand cities and towns where there are existing football clubs with hundreds of years history 

What I can never understand is how someone from somewhere like that who chose to support a successful team can try and brag to someone who supports Leicester about how shit they are, like that’s your city too anyone could just claim to be a Barca fan and watch “their” team win all the trophies in the world.

[davieG]

10 minutes ago, Stoopid said:

Well, memory tends to be selective I guess and we perhaps remember things that suit whatever narrative we've constructed around our lives. There's a definite human tendency to see the past as a better place than actually it was.

As for tribalism being more 'gentlemanly' back then I'm not so sure. The skinhead phenomenon started in the 60s and had precious few adherents who could be described as gentlemen.

And I remember a game against Forest at Filbert Street in about 67 or 68 - no later, certainly - where there was what can only be described as a bloody battle throughout the afternoon. No segregation to speak of, and fights - real fights - all over the shop. Fans constantly spilling out onto the pitch as first City, then Forest, then City again fought for control of the Kop. Fights were even breaking out in the Main Stand and basically everywhere you looked.

Can't be arsed to look it up. Not even sure where you would, but there were well over a hundred arrests, and a fair few - eleven from memory - got banned for life.

Forest was the worst, but I recall pretty vicious tear-ups from that time against Man Utd and Everton too. Especially Everton.

Custom and habit may change over the course of a few decades, but human nature remains essentially the same. People then were certainly no kinder or given to fair-play than they are now. It's just that life was much less regulated then, and probably less was made of it. Growing up in Leicester in the 60s I actually remember society in general as more violent than it is now. Certainly from a street-fighting point of view. It's just that people didn't see it as anything particularly noteworthy. It just happened.

 

I guess I'm talking early 60s late 60s yes it was the start of the hooligan era that was full blown in the 70s. Early 60s as i recall there wasn't even segregation. I stood in the Popular side alongside away fans including Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers, mind you that Ranger's game was scary. 

[Xen]

12 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I can understand Devon and Ireland to an extent. I can’t understand cities and towns where there are existing football clubs with hundreds of years history 

So what about Cardiff...?

 

[Stoopid]

8 minutes ago, davieG said:

I guess I'm talking early 60s late 60s yes it was the start of the hooligan era that was full blown in the 70s. Early 60s as i recall there wasn't even segregation. I stood in the Popular side alongside away fans including Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers, mind you that Ranger's game was scary. 

You got that right. I was there for the Rangers match and got pinged on the nut by a coin thrown by one of their lot who were in the Pop Side from memory.

Didn't half bleeding sting, felt it for weeks.

They were a bunch of drunken, rowdy gits. Nice silk scarves though (which I hadn't seen before).

[ScouseFox]

3 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I can understand Devon and Ireland to an extent. I can’t understand cities and towns where there are existing football clubs with hundreds of years history 

yeah there’s a decent amount of liverpool fans i know in leeds. from leeds. seems absolutely made when you consider most were born late 80s or early 90s so would’ve been fully involved in footy when leeds were actually better than liverpool at the end of the last century. 

[MPH]

Anyone who watch us through the David Pleat years truly has blue blood.

[ithuriel]

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

Anyone who watch us through the David Pleat years truly has blue blood.

Alcoholics ?

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

7 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

yeah there’s a decent amount of liverpool fans i know in leeds. from leeds. seems absolutely made when you consider most were born late 80s or early 90s so would’ve been fully involved in footy when leeds were actually better than liverpool at the end of the last century. 

 

This. I love Leeds and I'm desperate for them to come up but I've seen a few on here envious of them and Newcastle for being one club cities when it isn't the case. Leeds is full of folk that don't support them, partly because non native students settle there on account of it being the best city in the UK, others glory supporters that have grown up with Leeds being a bit shit. On a pro rata basis they should be filling Elland Road out every week regardless, it doesn't happen.

[Wolfox]

12 minutes ago, MPH said:

Anyone who watch us through the David Pleat years truly has blue blood.

 

9 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

Alcoholics ?

Anti freeze…