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5 hours ago, davieG said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/danny-drinkwater-aston-villa-leicester-city-vs-manchester-city-riyad-mahrez-a9281016.html

 

How Danny Drinkwater’s Aston Villa debut illustrated the fleeting, freakish nature of Leicester’s greatest triumph
Drinkwater endured a miserable Aston Villa debut at the hands of Riyad Mahrez’s Manchester City

Richard Jolly @RichJolly

 

It is enough to induce pangs of nostalgia in Leicester. Two of their Unbelievables combined for a couple of goals. Or perhaps not quite how they remembered. For starters, Danny Drinkwater and Riyad Mahrez are team-mates no more. Their reunion was a 79-minute affair, curtailed by Drinkwater’s substitution. It felt like a mercy killing by Dean Smith, putting him out of his misery.

Because there are unfortunate first impressions and then there is Drinkwater’s disastrous debut. Aston Villa 1 Manchester City 6. If it was an embarrassment orchestrated in part by an old ally, it also illustrated the fleeting, almost freakish nature of Leicester’s 2016 glory. It was forged by men like Mahrez, whose talent is equipping him to flourish in a City side capable of magnificence, and Drinkwater, the immortal turned misfit. They were twinned in glorious achievement but have been separated by subsequent fortunes. Paths have diverged. Mahrez is now on the right track at City. Drinkwater seems on the road to nowhere.

Mahrez swayed past him all too easily for his first goal, Drinkwater making an apology of a challenge. His second came when his former team-mate was caught in possession by David Silva. He was slow to react, as if surprised to be on the ball in his own box. Or, indeed, surprised to be on the pitch.

His 2018-19 consisted of half an hour against City in the Premier League. His 2019-20 had brought 59 minutes in the division, also against City, but in a different Claret and Blue. Drinkwater inadvertently set up a Will Grigg goal on his Burnley debut, a 3-1 defeat to League One Sunderland. He inadvertently set up a Mahrez goal on his Villa bow, a 6-1 defeat to City. He used to be Jamie Vardy’s supply line. Now he creates goals for the opposition.

But more often than not, he is paid in excess of £100,000 a week to do nothing. He was a spectator under Maurizio Sarri. He has been loaned out, first to Burnley and then Villa. Drinkwater won the Premier League in 2016. He has not won a game in the Premier League since 2017. If his rise and fall suggests he had some kind of Faustian pact, it also reflects the catalytic qualities of N’Golo Kante; Steve Walsh’s old line that Leicester played three in midfield, with Kante either side of Drinkwater, concealed a truth: take Kante away and Drinkwater has been stripped of the petrol to fuel him.


Certainly there was no energy when he laboured in pursuit of Kevin de Bruyne for City’s third goal; rustiness is a reason but it does not amount to a guarantee he will continue to deputise for the injured John McGinn in the Villa midfield. The benched Marvelous Nakamba may not be a case of nominative determinism, but he isn’t this bad.

“Danny Drinkwater will make us a better team,” said a bullish Smith. “He started the game well.” Which was a generous assessment of a man who partly at fault for two goals inside 25 minutes. In a way, Drinkwater’s travails exacerbate the achievement of Leicester’s unlikely lads. Some have gone on to excel since then: Vardy and Kasper Schmeichel at the King Power Stadium, Kante for Chelsea and France and, more recently, Mahrez for a different City. By the very highest standards, others were one-season wonders, footballing everymen who did the extraordinary. Danny Simpson is now in the lower half of the Championship. Shinji Okazaki rarely scores in Spain’s second tier. Robert Huth has retired. Wes Morgan, Christian Fuchs and Marc Albrighton are understudies.


That stunning season was an outlier for the 5000/1 outsiders, and not merely because Leicester won the league with a points tally Liverpool could beat with 10 games to go. Mahrez was voted the best player in the country by his fellow professionals in 2016. He has not reached such heights again. Sometimes his fate to be the second- or third-best player on the pitch, which can be an occupational hazard for any team-mate of De Bruyne’s.

And yet he belongs. He was a bit-part player for much of his debut campaign at City. Now he is a reason the injured Leroy Sane has rarely been missed, a man who has facilitated Raheem Sterling’s seemingly permanent relocation to the left. He was outstanding at Old Trafford on Tuesday; with goals against Chelsea, Leicester and United this season, he has ascended to the ranks of the big-game player. A brace at Villa may not qualify as such, but it showed he is in rare form.

“The difference last season and this season is he plays more minutes because the manager is so kind to him,” said Pep Guardiola. “Always I have the feeling he can score a goal. He has incredible quality with his physicality. You see his legs it is impossible to be injured because he has no muscles.” If that makes Mahrez a medical marvel, the muscle-less man, the broader problem is that Drinkwater has been stripped of the powers that helped him achieve something special.

 

Not sure where to start with this lol

 

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17 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

Not sure where to start with this lol

 

That's why i didnt comment on it 

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3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Danny simple made poor career choices, I still rather he stayed as I think he would still have done a good job here over the last two seasons. 


He wouldn’t be anywhere near our side. 

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4 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Danny simple made poor career choices, I still rather he stayed as I think he would still have done a good job here over the last two seasons. 

Watch him chase down De Bruyne for Jesus' goal. His legs have gone, our medical team (the best in the league at the time) knew that. It's was the perfect time to cash in. 

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36 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said:

Watch him chase down De Bruyne for Jesus' goal. His legs have gone, our medical team (the best in the league at the time) knew that. It's was the perfect time to cash in. 

 

2 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:


He wouldn’t be anywhere near our side. 

2016 Drinkwater would, his suffered a bad run with injuries since he left us.

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On 30/12/2019 at 19:08, TRAD-DAD said:

I get a certain satisfaction of knowing that when the floodlights go out and the Liverpool fans trudge home they are hit with the realisation that they still have to live in Liverpool. No wonder  that football is the centre of their lives. imagine having to live in that cesspit with nothing else to live for?

Better city to live in than Leicester that's for sure.

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1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

Worst thing about Drinkwater playing this badly now is theres this tendency to now make out he was only surrounded by great players and any old half decent CM could play with Kante.

 

That isnt the case at all and anyone who watched him then and the Championship winning season knows how vital he was. Its quite sad to see certain pundits talk about him like that.


Yep he’s got a Premier League Champions medal in his back pocket and we all know how important he was to us ...   those ‘pundits’ can all fook off. 

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5 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

 

2016 Drinkwater would, his suffered a bad run with injuries since he left us.


Unfortunately for Drinkwater, it’s now 2020 and Pearson isn’t here to manage his ‘complex personality’.  

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15 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

 

2016 Drinkwater would, his suffered a bad run with injuries since he left us.

2016 Drinkwater was massively flattered by playing alongside Kante. On his own, he was always just a hard-working and energetic, but ultimately limited, footballer. 

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13 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Worst thing about Drinkwater playing this badly now is theres this tendency to now make out he was only surrounded by great players and any old half decent CM could play with Kante.

 

That isnt the case at all and anyone who watched him then and the Championship winning season knows how vital he was. Its quite sad to see certain pundits talk about him like that.

I agree with this. When drinkwater had a poor game the team usually didnt perform. Whetever his role it was clearly more than a bitpart player

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16 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

 

2016 Drinkwater would, his suffered a bad run with injuries since he left us.

So would 2002 Ronaldo but we're in 2020 now.

 

Its a sad situation for him, he was my favourite player during our Championship promotion season, but there's no situation that would have worked out better for us with regards to the timing of his sale. 

 

He was crocked when we sold him, we knew that. Chelsea took that gamble and he's gone downhill since, it's sad to see him slated on social media. 

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31 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said:

So would 2002 Ronaldo but we're in 2020 now.

 

Its a sad situation for him, he was my favourite player during our Championship promotion season, but there's no situation that would have worked out better for us with regards to the timing of his sale. 

 

He was crocked when we sold him, we knew that. Chelsea took that gamble and he's gone downhill since, it's sad to see him slated on social media. 

Have you got evidence of this, do you think Chelsea really spent £30 m on someone they know was injured.

 

I have said he would make our side now, just that hes had a bad run of injuries and without them he could still be the player his was in 2015/16- 2016/17 

 

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

2016 Drinkwater was massively flattered by playing alongside Kante. On his own, he was always just a hard-working and energetic, but ultimately limited, footballer. 

Maybe, doesn't make he a bad player, and limited football is a bit over the top. 

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Didn't drinkwater play most the last season with us injured? You can't be thrust in to a game like that when you haven't played a game for 2 years and expect it to go well, terrible management by villa, that won't have done his confidence any good. I'll always love him.

 

I remember in our Championship winning season a drunk sitting next to me saying over and over 'I'd shake all their hands, all of them, but not that tw*t drinkwater!!' okay mate.

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