The "do they mean us?" thread pt 2

[BirminghamFox]

On ‎18‎/‎09‎/‎2018 at 19:07, davieG said:

I get that I just can't see relevance of the PL title which was 5 years ago.

5 years ago? 

[rico]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

"Puel is a manager who builds the house rather than hosts the parties."

 

More like:

”The Thais inherited a run down house, and gave Pearson a modest budget to build a shed.

Pearson eventually built a huge shed that won Shed of the Year but had to be fired after an unfortunate racist sex orgy involving his son. 

Ranieri then came along with the job of maintaining Andy slowly upgrading the shed but accidentally ended up holding the biggest rave this town has ever seen. The kind that the whole city turn out for, and one that attracted the attention of the world. 

The rave then comes to an end as accidental fires break out in the shed which then spreads to the downstairs of the house. Ranieri sadly had to go. 

And along came Shakespeare to put the fires out and restart the party. But eventually the fire restarts slowly in the corner of the house and Shakespeare is also gone.

The Thais bring in Claude Puel to put the most visible fires out AND to start slowly rebuilding the house. 

The memories of the epic rave endure and glimpses of it are still there, as well as one or two legendary ravers who just won’t leave. 

But Claude has started to slowly rebuild the house anyway, securing the foundations regardless despite having to sell the flashy car in the front drive that would only work if it wanted to and preferred the garage in the posh area round the corner.

Behind the scenes The Thais are strengthening the foundations - making them some of the best in Europe - while still allowing Claude the time and space to figure out which cladding works best.

Debate will rage over whether the house is nice enough; but it’s still one of the “best of the rest” in the neighbourhood and nobody will ever forget that rave.“

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, ealingfox said:

You can tell he's a forest fan because I don't think a fan of any other club would have been able to crowbar a mention of forest into the article.

 

Their current squad and management are weighed down by stuff that happened before any of their players were even born?  if you say so pal.

 

I'll wager at least one of their signings this summer gone had never heard of forest until their agent told them about the offer from them.

 

It's more the point that past success leads to heighten and unrealistic expectations. That's what the squad and management feel. For example we've posters during this season say we should target top six. Forest still have deluded idiots bleating on about top ten of the Premier League - doesn't help their last successful team was managed by an ex Clough players with a couple of ex Clough players in it. 

Edited 3 October 2018 by Cardiff_Fox

[Corky]

To be fair to our fans, we are pretty aware of the standing in the game and adjust our expectations accordingly. We just wanted to be in the Premier League whilst in the Championship and now we believe we should be in the top eight and possibly pushing for 6th with good cup runs. I doubt you'd see anyone 8/9 years ago saying we should be a top seven Premier League team. Now I think the talk is justified.

[Chester Dontlie]

I think the positive responses to this article show how starved we fans are for opinions about us that don't carry the usual big club bias, don't include convenient shortcuts and at least try make an attempt to analyze things a bit deeper than pundits and experts on tv usually do. I thought where it fitted his narrative, the journalist jumped to conclusions too eagerly.

 

How can he know that 'Leicester’s owners do not expect to win the league again'? What's the source for this piece of news is, perhaps he dined with Vichai? Or maybe he's just projecting his own (and maybe some supporters') thoughts onto the Thais... If like me you have met/worked with businessmen you know this kind of 'we don't expect to win again' attitude is as foreign to them as lettuce is to sharks (remember what Vichai said about breaking into top 4 in 3 years after they took over, he's hardly the unambitious type).

"But firefighters put out the fire and leave; they do not make themselves at home."

Well that's a nice round sentence from Daniel the Forest fan but the the comparison isn't very accurate. Football managers unlike firefighers are actually allowed to stay after they put 'the fire' out, the common rule seems to be the more points they get the longer they can stay. There's little doubt that Claude would look amusing in firefighters hat especially at Vardy's party sporting white gloves and a whistle raving to some classic 90s tune but there's also no doubt that his role at the club isn't a firefighter's role anymore. There's no fire at Leicester at the moment, and surely there was no fire after three games at the beginning of the season (the Thais arent a trigger-happy lot, quite the contrary). There's only Mirror stirring and throwing the shit and other papers dutifully smearing it all around...

 

So a Nottingham Forrest fan says "You can't blame them for chasing the dragon", therefore sentencing the top and us Leicester fans to the gloomy doomy dungeon of midtable (or worse) obscurity forever, without as much as a glimmer of hope for seeing the ray of sunshine again. The fairytale is over, you had your dance cinderella now the carriage turns into a pumpkin, time to get back to your broom and cinders that's where you belong. So some pricks keep on saying the glass slippers were actually too big for Cinderella (she was lucky or cheated you know), even though the whole world saw how well they fit at the time, and you are supposed to believe them. Now we should forever 'forget about catching the dragon', fall back in line, keep our head low and agree with the prevailing narrative. Why, I ask. Only because that's what they expect little Leicester to do? Because it seems to be the common rule, or the media agreement? Closed shop, litlle Leicester, dragon chasers, can't, won't ever grow? Because once mighty 1979/80 Champions of Europe faded out just as did many clubs throughout the history of football? Or because someone says you aren't allowed to catch the big boys with their pants down twice, and growing bigger for you is decidedly out of question?

 

  Dilly dong, BOLLOX!!!

Be careful about repeating stuff like that or you might actually believe it. Even the biggest of big boys can get weak and hand a sick note, ask any Milan supporter. There are numerous examples of smaller clubs which have emerged or are emerging from years of obscurity through lower tiers aiming to achieved some degree of success against various 'big boys only' agendas and narratives, clubs, for which the likes of Leicester and Hoffenheim are the standard bearers. Leicester showed them the impossible is possible, proved all the doubters experts journos even us fans non-believers wrong, the best part about the whole 'fairy tale' is that it's not a fairy tale. It had actually happened. And at the moment from where I'm standing the future of Leicester City is rather bright. Maybe it's not as blindingly bright as it seemed in the summer of 2016 but it's not that much dimmer, and certainly a lot brighter than murky Forests. We have a squad good enough to comfortably stay up and fight for the 7th place. We have fantastic owners, we don't leak money (we are in fact 15th most valuable club in Europe before AC Milan and Napoli, let that sink in). It's like some of you already forgot what certain Claudio used to say to us. Doesn't even matter that much what the dream is about anymore, but it's essential to have it and to 'keep dreaming'. Why are some of you allowing a Forest supporter within a pinching distance, is beyond me

 

If 2015/16 had ever taught me or any football fans one thing, it's that there's no such thing as 'never ever'. People who say things like 'it happens only once in a lifetime' are the same people who used to said that top 6 is a closed shop (where the likes of Leicester will never get in), who said we will get relegated or kept saying throughout 2015/6 that Leicester will slip. That's all very human, I can hardly blame them, but I don't subscribe to that school of thought anymore. Not after Bocelli's concert at KP.

 

It was 5000/1 once, it's only 300/1 now. Who knows what will happen in the next 10 years. We can establish ourselves as top 8, top 6 club, we can get relegated, we can also win the league again. The odds are decidedly against, but... one can dream, no? Que sera, sera, I refuse to submerge myself in the gloomy atmosphere of finality and futility this article seems to project. As a supporter you always dream about next game, next transfer window, next season. And there's not one big ultimate dragon that is the dogs bollocks, there are also many smaller ones to catch as well. I wouldn't mind if we won the Carabao cup, would you?

"There’s nothing quite as deflating as the realisation that you aren’t special anymore."

 

How can he possibly know what Puel thinks and how he feels, I wonder. Does Puel even think of himself as the special one, that would be quite a shocker, I wonder where it comes from. Doesn't look that much deflated to me either, certainly not as consistently as Moaninho of late. I might be reading too much into it but that article reeks of sour grapes to me, with a delicate hint of envy. Surely the guy speaks from his lifetime experience as a deflated Forest fan. They had their major glory moment ages ago, then it all went downhill with a little upward surge 20 years ago. Poor Forest, chasing The Rams and Swans in Championship, they simply forgot what chasing dragons feels like....

Who's to say Leicester's destiny is to walk the same 'Forest path' for the next 40 or more years? No one can tell what the future will bring.  If winning the league is catching the dragon then Europa League spot would be akin to piercing dragon's arse with an arrow. And currently it's within our shooting distance.

 

"Puel is a manager who builds the house rather than hosts the parties."

 

Well he doesn't exactly strike me as the vodka & charlie type of guy, but who says one isn;t allowed to host a party AFTER he builds a house? If/when Puel finally builds that house (we are all waiting for), I'm all for him staying and hosting the party, and if he'll keep on winning games (at least more often than he's losing points) then long may that party last. As long as Vards is invited, of course!

 

 

PS Dear Mr Storey if you can read this (a chance I'd say better than 5000/1) I hope your Forest will get relegated from Championship this season so next time you go to KP and look at Leicester's still fresh (not crumbling like 78-80's Forest's) paper clippings and videos you will salivate even more. Sincerely, sod off

Edited 3 October 2018 by Chester Dontlie

[Mr Weller]

Easy parallels with Forest under Clough make the mistake of overlooking the major differences.

Forest owed their success entirely to having a genius manager. Leicester owed their success to new owners and great recruitment.

This means Forest could only be good while Clough was at the helm but Leicester are capable of success under any number of managers.

I have never bought into the ‘freak season’ explanation of our success although it’s clear we benefited from the relative weakness of some of the big clubs. I don’t think it’s impossible we could get in to the top 4 and certainly not the top 6. We are a rich well supported club which is well led and organised-that’s a pretty strong combination.

[mad biker]

Well said Chester !! 

 

[Stadt]

Christ some are so ****ing touchy 

[egg_fried_rice]

Daniel Storey is about the best football journalist going at the minute. There may be a bit of conjecture in that article, but it's not unreasonable and shows a deeper consideration of our current standing as a club than most writers can muster. Can't believe some people can take such comments so personally. And if you've been following his pieces and podcast contributions for a while, you'll know he doesn't let his support for Forest bias his reporting in any way either.

[Carl the Llama]

52 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Christ some are so ****ing touchy 

Do you mean the people voicing different opinions to Storey or the people spitting feathers that anyone would do so?  

[Stadt]

21 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Do you mean the people voicing different opinions to Storey or the people spitting feathers that anyone would do so?  

A 10 paragraph post on an article that at worst you could say makes some mild assertions? Bit touchy that. 

 

 

[Carl the Llama]

7 minutes ago, Stadt said:

A 10 paragraph post on an article that at worst you could say makes some mild assertions? Bit touchy that. 

 

 

I enjoyed that post and its vibrant positivity, he's welcome to his opinion just as much as you're welcome to your opinion that it's a nearly perfect article.  It's erudite and demonstrates the author's general football knowledge but as an article about the current Leicester setup I think it misses the mark from the first, sensationalised sentence.  Ultimately I'd call it intelligent and well-written clickbait.

[Stadt]

28 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

I enjoyed that post and its vibrant positivity, he's welcome to his opinion just as much as you're welcome to your opinion that it's a nearly perfect article.  It's erudite and demonstrates the author's general football knowledge but as an article about the current Leicester setup I think it misses the mark from the first, sensationalised sentence.  Ultimately I'd call it intelligent and well-written clickbait.

I agree I probably come across as overly defensive of the article, it's just an article after all. It's not really clickbait as a FFT online piece about Leicester is barely going to pull in large volumes of traffic. There's much worse written about us by the tabloids ad even in the better papers, Storey is quite often on our side and any malice in the article is misread by some on here. I wish I hadn't have mentioned he was a Forest fan as that's what some posters have taken exception to but the fact remains that after a seminal season like 2016 the inevitable regression to the mean happens which is similar to his own club's experience, the article doesn't flat out say that will happen to us; its likely to.

[Jacnah]

On 03/10/2018 at 12:34, urban.spaceman said:

"Puel is a manager who builds the house rather than hosts the parties."

 

More like:

”The Thais inherited a run down house, and gave Pearson a modest budget to build a shed.

Pearson eventually built a huge shed that won Shed of the Year but had to be fired after an unfortunate racist sex orgy involving his son. 

Ranieri then came along with the job of maintaining Andy slowly upgrading the shed but accidentally ended up holding the biggest rave this town has ever seen. The kind that the whole city turn out for, and one that attracted the attention of the world. 

The rave then comes to an end as accidental fires break out in the shed which then spreads to the downstairs of the house. Ranieri sadly had to go. 

And along came Shakespeare to put the fires out and restart the party. But eventually the fire restarts slowly in the corner of the house and Shakespeare is also gone.

The Thais bring in Claude Puel to put the most visible fires out AND to start slowly rebuilding the house. 

The memories of the epic rave endure and glimpses of it are still there, as well as one or two legendary ravers who just won’t leave. 

But Claude has started to slowly rebuild the house anyway, securing the foundations regardless despite having to sell the flashy car in the front drive that would only work if it wanted to and preferred the garage in the posh area round the corner.

Behind the scenes The Thais are strengthening the foundations - making them some of the best in Europe - while still allowing Claude the time and space to figure out which cladding works best.

Debate will rage over whether the house is nice enough; but it’s still one of the “best of the rest” in the neighbourhood and nobody will ever forget that rave.“

genius! one of the best posts, being funny and true, that ive read in a long long time. 

 

I salute you sir!

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Christ some are so ****ing touchy 

No we're ****ing not.

[gerrytaggart]

16 hours ago, Mr Weller said:

Easy parallels with Forest under Clough make the mistake of overlooking the major differences.

Forest owed their success entirely to having a genius manager. Leicester owed their success to new owners and great recruitment.

This means Forest could only be good while Clough was at the helm but Leicester are capable of success under any number of managers.

I have never bought into the ‘freak season’ explanation of our success although it’s clear we benefited from the relative weakness of some of the big clubs. I don’t think it’s impossible we could get in to the top 4 and certainly not the top 6. We are a rich well supported club which is well led and organised-that’s a pretty strong combination.

Cloughie was indeed a genius but dont forget that they also broke transfer records spending huge (for the era).

 

[Finnegan]

Discovering he's a Forest fan just sort of reinforces my post in response tbf. Makes a bit more sense now really.

 

He basically just wanted to desperately convince himself that we're going to disappear in to obscurity the same as they did. 

[Mayofox]

From Football365 - "how every PL manager would fare in a brawl"...

 

9th - Claude Puel.

- I wasn't initially convinced about Puel's credentials: he spent his entire playing career at Monaco, and the streets of Monte Carlo are hardly notorious for churning out grizzled street toughs.

 

But then I read that he used to throw himself bodily into sliding tackles on his then-manager Arsene Wenger in training, just for lols. Man just doesn't give a f**k, and that makes him dangerous-.

[Captain...]

On 04/10/2018 at 14:38, urban.spaceman said:

No we're ****ing not.

Touché 

[ozleicester]

8 hours ago, Mayofox said:

From Football365 - "how every PL manager would fare in a brawl"...

 

9th - Claude Puel.

- I wasn't initially convinced about Puel's credentials: he spent his entire playing career at Monaco, and the streets of Monte Carlo are hardly notorious for churning out grizzled street toughs.

 

But then I read that he used to throw himself bodily into sliding tackles on his then-manager Arsene Wenger in training, just for lols. Man just doesn't give a f**k, and that makes him dangerous-.

[NZ_Foxile]

17 hours ago, Mayofox said:

From Football365 - "how every PL manager would fare in a brawl"...

 

9th - Claude Puel.

- I wasn't initially convinced about Puel's credentials: he spent his entire playing career at Monaco, and the streets of Monte Carlo are hardly notorious for churning out grizzled street toughs.

 

But then I read that he used to throw himself bodily into sliding tackles on his then-manager Arsene Wenger in training, just for lols. Man just doesn't give a f**k, and that makes him dangerous-.

 

[Mayofox]

We're not famous anymore. On 'Tipping Point', the two (female) contestants were asked which East Midlands football team played at Filbert Street until 2002.

 

One didn't know, the other thought Aston Villa. (?)...

 

Sacrilege !

[mod hero]

1 minute ago, Mayofox said:

We're not famous anymore. On 'Tipping Point', the two (female) contestants were asked which East Midlands football team played at Filbert Street until 2002.

 

One didn't know, the other thought Aston Villa. (?)...

 

Sacrilege !

Was it that shit bird from BT sport who try’s to hide her northern accent?

[Mayofox]

8 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Was it that shit bird from BT sport who try’s to hide her northern accent?

No, this was on an Irish station; middle aged 'Angela' said "Football's not my strongest subject".   No kidding!

[jonthefox]

Just a quick question. What’s wrong with ‘ do they mean us ‘ pt 1 thread. ?.