Blue ROI Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Most of the young players have done well for us. Chilwell himself, Barnes. Choudhury hopefully tielemans. I'm sure most of the fans acknowledge this. The likes of gray is inconsistent though and nachoman has not made any impact. Booing is uncalled for but there is such lack of consistency there that you can't ignore.
worthosoriginals Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: I could pick so many holes in this, it's almost as bad as Chilwell's crossing. boo him, that will teach him a lesson, improve his game, increase confidence. how dare a good young player not play with perfection.
Guest Markyblue Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 I find that not for the first time ft has managed to turn a drama into a full blown crises. I was at the game on Sunday and yes the substitution was booed, not by me dont see what it achieves, but anybody would think the players we're lucky to get off the pitch in one piece, a bit of reality in the mass breakdown thats going on wouldn't go a miss.
worthosoriginals Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 whoooosh! the sound of bens fair points whizzing past the 'brains' of our boo boy entitled brat section of what id not call supporters.
Hammo Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 53 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Player literally asking the fans to stop being bellends Substitute 'literally' with 'surreptitiously' and 'bellends' with 'impatient' and I'd agree with you.
Xen Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 9 minutes ago, That_Dude said: When you look at the team's average team you won't find much experienced pros anymore, aside from Vardy and Kasper, maybe that's why. He's clearly going for the youth and they're the future of the club. So I'd rather see them come out than the old guard which time is now counted. Oh I agree. The fact that the youth are coming out is a good thing - they make up the bulk of our first team and are ultimately our future. If they support the manager then brilliant, because with a bit of fortune they'll be working together successfully and progressing under him long-term. My point is that it feels more and more like the title winners are clinging on to the influence they have at the club and reluctant to make way for the youth. Morgan/Vardy/Schmeichel certainly don't seem to be Puel's biggest fans, and it worries me that they might be making his job unworkable (as they supposedly did with Ranieri, although I don't think I believe that).
lcfcell Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 as if one of our own players has had to come out and say this
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 13 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said: boo him, that will teach him a lesson, improve his game, increase confidence. how dare a good young player not play with perfection. Chilwell incidentally was abused a lot on here last season and he's improved dramatically. I was merely referring to his contradictory article.... It misses most of the points on why fans are so disconnected and at a loss with what they are seeing in home games. There is an argument for writing off the next few seasons whilst these young players get the supposed experience that will help them all fulfil their potential but it's a big ask, a huge leap of faith. It's so difficult to get behind Puel than it is the players he is investing in, that in itself is also contradictory but this is what Puel's regime is. It's all a muddle and the fans are left thumbing a floppy up their 'arris's.
Innovindil Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 He's 100% right though, fans are offering up absolutely no support in the stands and then wondering why the players look lifeless. It wasn't so long ago that a tight 1-0 loss to an in-form utd side would have been met with slight nods and a muttering of not bad's, now it's met with pretty much open hostility (from a significant portion of our fans).
ARTY_FOX Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 20 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: I think that's a misinterpretation in itself, you make it sound like a lack of effort or can't be bothered. The reality is for me the opposite in that they can but at the moment we just haven't got the players in the final third to break down the park the bus brigade. I’m not saying there’s a lack of effort. I do think they are playing the way they’re told to though. There’s a clear game plan, it’s just not a great entertaining one. It’s slow and rather than take a chance we just recycle the play.
Beechey Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 Embarrassing that the "real fans" are making us the new Arsenal for booing and bitching. Utter troglodytes.
mikey54 Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 33 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: I could pick so many holes in this, it's almost as bad as Chilwell's crossing. *Yawn*
murphy Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 I'm ashamed and annoyed that one of our young players has to plead with us not to be such a bunch ****tards. When the players discussed it among themselves, I bet they didn't use such measured tones. God knows what Top thinks of us. All that goodwill after the tragedy has evaporated like a fart in a wind tunnel. The thing is with this kind of short-sighted twattery, the players or manager might not be as forgiving as we'd like when things are going well. I remember the 'F*** off Martin O'Neill' chant and he never forgot that and he never forgave it. ,We never learn. If you booed yesterday, you are a tosser.
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 4 minutes ago, Innovindil said: He's 100% right though, fans are offering up absolutely no support in the stands and then wondering why the players look lifeless. It wasn't so long ago that a tight 1-0 loss to an in-form utd side would have been met with slight nods and a muttering of not bad's, now it's met with pretty much open hostility (from a significant portion of our fans). I'd love to see someone at the club come up with some explanation on how they might improve this. All we hear is how this is a young team that is learning and " getting better " but they aren't are they, it's all very much the same and the persistent problems at home is what is exaggerating this dismay amongst the fans. We haven't won a home game vs a mediocre side since Huddersfield and before then it was Huddersfield and Watford the year before, it's borderline a disgrace. This isn't because of a bad atmosphere and mean fans, this is slowly or now fastly spreading due to the abysmal home form under Puel. The majority of our fans only get to see us at home games, it's like going for a meal up Wagamamas in your home town and it repeatedly being the complete pits but apparently the other branches aren't as bad so suck it up. I would love to see an experiment where we either play our home games in an empty stadium or where we've all taken ecstasy and can't get negatively angry and see if it makes an iota of difference, I fail to see how Mendy and Ndidi and the severe lack of end product from Maddison, Gray and co would suddenly be dialled in.
lgfualol Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 He'll be out the door if the crowd continue being little baby back bitches
Rusko187 Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 10 minutes ago, Innovindil said: He's 100% right though, fans are offering up absolutely no support in the stands and then wondering why the players look lifeless. It wasn't so long ago that a tight 1-0 loss to an in-form utd side would have been met with slight nods and a muttering of not bad's, now it's met with pretty much open hostility (from a significant portion of our fans). So it's all my fault they aren't winning games? My fault they concede in first 10 minutes? My fault the manager doesn't recognise the glaring issues with the squad.
Ric Flair Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 4 minutes ago, mikey54 said: *Yawn* Our home performances does that to us, hang in there buddy
ARTY_FOX Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 29 minutes ago, Xen said: I disagree. We've played some decent football (not brilliant) recently but made it difficult for ourselves. I'd argue we've been the better side for most of our games since the New Year, but conceding early means the opposition can defend resolutely and its hard for us to unlock. It completely changes the face of the game. We've still had copious amounts of chances though, but either keepers have been on top form or our strikers haven't. Cut out the errors and I'd wager we'd have drawn with Cardiff/Wolves, beat Southampton/Newport and possibly got more against United, too. There are clear faults, that's undeniable, but there seems to be an awareness of it throughout (most of) the squad/management and a willingness to address it. We've brought Barnes back to give us more creativity up front, we've struggled in midfield so brought in YT etc. What I find quite telling is that the younger players all seem eager to come out and defend Puel. Not much at all from our more experienced pros. Seems like there might be a bit of a rift in the dressing room... I don’t think we would have beat Southampton, yea we penned them into their half but after we were 2-0 down and they were down to 10 men and even then the chances we made were more half chances than actually creating any real clear cut chances. (I maybe forgetting one or two to be honest as the game wasn’t high on the list of games I want to remember). Cardiff was another where we make some half chances and float a bunch of balls at vardy to be headed out by centre backs. We just don’t try anything new or different, nobody takes a chance or will do anything too risky, just turn around and pass back. Wolves we absolutley could have won won after the way we started the second half. Where we were running at players, were more direct and were trying risky little passes. But every time we drew level that went away and the sideways backwards no risk style came straight back in. Keeping the ball is great and I’m glad we do it but in the final third atleast you’ve got to take risks and try different things. But unless we’re losing by a couple or it’s late in the game we just don’t. Honstly thought we were getting away with one when we equalised vs Newport but the handball was unfortunatley stupidity form an experienced player. I agree it’s great we have loads of young players, it’s great they’re happy they’re playing but you’d think they’d be more likely to take chances and make a risky ball or two in and around the opposition box, take people on and try to create. We have players capable we just aren’t doing it. Half the time the most threatening player we have is a right back. Yes it’ll cost you sometimes and yes sometimes it’ll still frustrate but it’ll also get you out of your seat and give everyone a reason to cheer and be positive and leave people happier over all. With the young team we have who knows what they could do in a few years playing a positive way?
UPinCarolina Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 hour ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Player literally asking the fans to stop being bellends Says it all, really. They know that their maddening, baffling performances are to blame - but clearly the toxicity around the fanbase is getting to them.
holyfox Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 hour ago, ARTY_FOX said: It’s another case of misinterpring what the frustrations are though. The results aren’t solely why everyone is getting annoyed it’s shit football we turn out unless we’re playing a ‘big club’. People wouldn’t be so pissed off with where we are and some of the results we’ve had if we were atleast entertaining to watch. I understand the contrast from the entertainment we have been known for. However, the very best teams can both keep the ball and attack fast when the opportunity arises. Blaming Puel for this is crazy as every single interview I have heard from him states his frustration at the sideways passing and lack of self belief. maybe, just maybe with patience all round, the young grip of players will become more confident on the ball and in their own abilities. with a young relatively inexperienced squad, you are going to get more nerves than older seasoned pros. But what you get from building a young squad where they develop together with the odd ready made gem is another ‘band of brothers’ who are thankful for the opportunity and in it for the long term. It very much sounds to me that is what Chilwell is getting at. Puel’s post match comments again states how frustrating it was that there was sideways passing early on. I honestly believe that if we got behind the team no matter what and do that from the kick off like we used to, then confidence and results would improve. I’vr been around a long time and in my experience, drooping young talent works best when you show your faith in them when they struggle and stay positive. Finally, the rest of the mid table teams are mostly high press and counter attack- yet they can’t break into the top 6. i think it’s bloody obvious that the club have tried to compete in the transfer market without going studios like some and realised that we are not that attractive a proposition for various reasons. bullding quality training facilities, showing our commitment for good British and overseas talent, together with making the Stadium stand out is a bloody brilliant Strategy- stay in the PM and fight as best we can and we will see improvement and then have a basis to compete right at the top for a long time! we lost 1-0 against an in form Man Utd and made them look pretty average for most of the match. can we be more clinical in the final third? Yes! can we be better than we are at a number of aspects ? Yes! but if you hadn’t seen the stats, you would have thought that we had got our arses whipped! 17 shots against 10! thats not negative tactics- just need to improve the finishing which comes with confidence!!! Im backing the team and manager because I believe in the project!
whoareyaaa Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 hour ago, Suzie the Fox said: It just goes to show that booing isnt the way to go, since he feels he has to come out with this. Shock of the day
That_Dude Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Chilwell incidentally was abused a lot on here last season and he's improved dramatically. I was merely referring to his contradictory article.... It misses most of the points on why fans are so disconnected and at a loss with what they are seeing in home games. There is an argument for writing off the next few seasons whilst these young players get the supposed experience that will help them all fulfil their potential but it's a big ask, a huge leap of faith. It's so difficult to get behind Puel than it is the players he is investing in, that in itself is also contradictory but this is what Puel's regime is. It's all a muddle and the fans are left thumbing a floppy up their 'arris's. But that's exactly what it is, isn't it? Do we really have another alternative? I mean look at our squad, where are the players able to produce some entertaining football or crack down a deep lying defense? Mahrez is gone and even with him we had it hard against parked busses. Most of them just arrived this season or this winter and you know that it will take time to make them look good on the pitch. Lapses of concentration, silly mistakes, lack of understanding belong to the process. Puel has his fair share of mistakes but how booing and making the KP hostile for our own players is going to solve anything? It's going to become a habit. Manager and/or players perceived rightly or wrongly as not good enough, boo and jeer the hell out of them during and after the match. Then wonder when why they find it increasingly difficult to perform at home or why good players wouldn't want to come here.
Izzy Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 36 minutes ago, Markyblue said: I find that not for the first time ft has managed to turn a drama into a full blown crises. I was at the game on Sunday and yes the substitution was booed, not by me dont see what it achieves, but anybody would think the players we're lucky to get off the pitch in one piece, a bit of reality in the mass breakdown thats going on wouldn't go a miss. I agree. All this talk of things being ‘Toxic’ is a bit OTT I think. The atmosphere wasn’t great yesterday but it was far from ‘Toxic’ compared to the Pleat years for example.
urban.spaceman Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 He’s right. We have a very young squad with the majority of the first XI under 25. Just look at the squad (listed by minutes played) We give almost twice the game time to players 21 and under than anyone else. We need to be very patient with them as they develop, and crucially, learn from their mistakes.
Izzy Posted 4 February 2019 Posted 4 February 2019 1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said: He’s right. We have a very young squad with the majority of the first XI under 25. Just look at the squad (listed by minutes played) We give almost twice the game time to players 21 and under than anyone else. We need to be very patient with them as they develop, and crucially, learn from their mistakes. I didn’t realise Danny Simpson was Irish? Everydays a school day on here...
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