Maguire to Man Utd / Man City

[Trav Le Bleu]

Got to the point that I don't care. Cough up or shut up.

 

The only person who should be worried about this is Mr H Maguire.

[fuchsntf]

3 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

I'm surprised that they don't go back to the old system of players being able to transfer at any time. These transfer windows just inflate the prices.

Because the old system ,was also abused. one could upset the rythme of

Your opponents during the season.

The media  lied to try and unsettle players just to get a story...Even players tried to coax,opponent players away to join them,during the season,worse still in title challenges and relegation battles.

I prefer this way to the older way,at least

Weaker clubs keep their better players until a campaign is over. And they can spring over the January transfer window,without feeling threatened.If an individual player is thinking of moving on or tapped up...!! The top league players are compensated enough,to carry the burden of waitin either 5 months or until the next season.

I don't like agents and the free run they have,but there has/was alot of unscrupulous owners who pushed and kept wages down,or players out of the team.Agents allowed the players to concentrate on their job at hand,but they

Themselves became too powerful and greedy!!

What amazes me more is that successful business men in their own field,can't run a fking football club!!

It took our owners time to learn,but I believe or it seems they have learnt and grew into what appears a firm but fair

generation of unique owners .

Though now if we throw money at the transfer market,and let ourselves be put under pressure,and not use further our

Youth ethos and mix of clever buys,then

the learning curve and prudent investment will be a total waste. Keeping or selling Maguire doesn't upset that issue..We were correctly stubborn with Mahrez and expected price,ditto with Harry...In player moves you win some you lose some.We have though been silly in extending contracts for too long a period ...

Also we don't know what our club promised Ulloa,Mahrez, and now Maguire....but that might not be an owner's problem,but arrogant incompetent management..

[Leeds Fox]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

I know it's been said a million times before, but what really is the point in 'contracts' in football, they literally mean nothing. Purely a tool to inflate prices and pay agents. Pointless shit. 

 

Usually guarantees another year of a player at best. That’s pretty much what it’s about. 

 

Offer comes in > New improved contract (player accepts out of loyalty or the contract is matched) > Offer comes in... either player leaves for more wages or matching contract is offered. 

 

Harry signing for 5 years last year has probably bagged us many more millions than if he hadn’t. It works both ways. 

[brucey]

Percy says we might not bother with a replacement. Rather no replacement than Dunk for 45m tbh

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/15/leicester-tell-harry-maguire-can-leave-join-manchester-united/

Edited 15 July 2019 by brucey

[Buzzell]

Thanks for clearing that up with me guys.

[ozleicester]

2 hours ago, SecretPro said:

I know it's been said a million times before, but what really is the point in 'contracts' in football, they literally mean nothing. Purely a tool to inflate prices and pay agents. Pointless shit. 

Asked and answered

[The whole world smiles]

3 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Actually think the time when Morgan leaves/retires, Wes will be a bigger loss in terms of desire and team ethic than Maguire imo.

Couldn't agree more although in terms of actuall football talent it's not even a conversation even when Wed was in his 15/16 destructive best.

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, brucey said:

Percy says we might not bother with a replacement. Rather no replacement than Dunk for 45m tbh

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/15/leicester-tell-harry-maguire-can-leave-join-manchester-united/

God I really do hope this is the case. We’ve really no business spending 50m on a CB, particularly when we have decent strength in depth in this position.

[Guest SO1]

54 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

God I really do hope this is the case. We’ve really no business spending 50m on a CB, particularly when we have decent strength in depth in this position.

Agree. I'd think Rodgers would go bonkers at spending that kind of dough on a defender instead of an attacker and more goals.

I know we should be preparing for the departure of Evans and Morgan after next year though.

Amartey and possibly players in the development squad (who should be loaned out now) to provide cover the following year.

Goals over fear.

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, LinekersApples said:

Unrelated: i have the following for sale- Framed and signed Harry maguire shirt (first season at leicester, signed in the 15 of maguire 15.inset pictures of debut season for Leicester and England World Cup campaign),  a white puma signed shirt (no name or number) and a signed nike ball. PM me if interested with genuine offer or I will sell at twice the price to a muppet who supports a Manchester side in the future.

Is the ball signed by you ??   Can never have too many balls .........

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, brucey said:

Percy says we might not bother with a replacement. Rather no replacement than Dunk for 45m tbh

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/15/leicester-tell-harry-maguire-can-leave-join-manchester-united/

that’s a public message to Brighton to stop their ridiculous valuation ..........doh! 

[mozartfox]

6 hours ago, brucey said:

Percy says we might not bother with a replacement. Rather no replacement than Dunk for 45m tbh

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/07/15/leicester-tell-harry-maguire-can-leave-join-manchester-united/

Thanks.  Very comforting about not spunking on Dunk.

[BirminghamFox]

You heard it here first folks....

 

Maguire is having a medical on Saturday...

 

some bloke who’s mates with Top told me last night in the pub...

 

i think his name was Sean and he’s from Enderby...

[Reg Vardy]

Isn’ the Maguire situation the same as Mahrez? 

City wanted Mahrez, we kept him and put him on a new improved contract, and he joined City a year later. The contract guaranteed us the fee, I suspect City were the only club he wanted to sign for, Mahrez had every reason to play well for us, in what was his last season.As far as I am aware no other club came in for him, a world class footballer.

Roll on a year, United want Maguire. Harry signs a 5 year deal, but he is going to Old Trafford. Only City are the other club muddying the water, because they know the score,

So if one of our star players signs a bumper 5 year deal in future, he will probably leave shortly after.

The player wins, the club get a realistic fee for him, the club buying him get their man. It’s known as a win,win,win......

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

Any bookies offering decent odds on him staying? 

[fuchsntf]

11 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

I'm surprised that they don't go back to the old system of players being able to transfer at any time. These transfer windows just inflate the prices.

Because the old system ,was also abused. one could upset the rythme of

Your opponents during the season.

The media  lied to try and unsettle players just to get a story...Even players tried to coax,opponent players away to join them,during the season,worse still in title challenges and relegation battles.

I prefer this way to the older way,at least

Weaker clubs keep their better players until a campaign is over. And they can spring over the January transfer window,without feeling threatened.If an individual player is thinking of moving on or tapped up...!! The top league players are compensated enough,to carry the burden of waitin either 5 months or until the next season.

I don't like agents and the free run they have,but there has/was alot of unscrupulous owners who pushed and kept wages down,or players out of the team.Agents allowed the players to concentrate on their job at hand,but they

Themselves became too powerful and greedy!!

What amazes me more is that successful business men in their own field,can't run a fking football club!!

It took our owners time to learn,but I believe or it seems they have learnt and grew into what appears a firm but fair

generation of unique owners .

Though now if we throw money at the transfer market,and let ourselves be put under pressure,and not use further our

Youth ethos and mix of clever buys,then

the learning curve and prudent investment will be a total waste. Keeping or selling Maguire doesn't upset that issue..We were correctly stubborn with Mahrez and expected price,ditto with Harry...In player moves you win some you lose some.We have though been silly in extending contracts for too long a period ...

Also we don't know what our club promised Ulloa,Mahrez, and now Maguire....but that might not be an owner's problem,but arrogant incompetent management..

[fox_favourite]

Man Utd seems to me wanting to drag this on to force our hand to sell at a cheaper price?Have they got to the player and his agent and that's why he said he wants to leave? Is this another tactic of Man Utd to reduce the price? In some ways I just want this saga sorted but on the other hand I like the tough stance our club is taking. We shall not be bullied. 

[Foxin_Mad]

If they pay the money they get him.

 

To be honest if he wants to go, let him. I would find it mildly amusing if he goes to yanited and then has a crap few games making silly mistakes (as he does), gets booed by the yanited fans then loses his England place. 

[weller54]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

If they pay the money they get him.

 

To be honest if he wants to go, let him. I would find it mildly amusing if he goes to yanited and then has a crap few games making silly mistakes (as he does), gets booed by the yanited fans then loses his England place. 

You wouldn't be bitter then? 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, weller54 said:

You wouldn't be bitter then? 

Not at all 

[Dahnsouff]

@Thecarrickfan Any news from your side?

[Ric Flair]

8 hours ago, kingfox said:

I'll have to repeat myself quite a bit again here  

 

We have enough money to sign ourselves a quality winger regardless if we sell Maguire or not. Lewis Dunk is a Premier League proven defender, vastly experienced and captain material. That is the British market nowadays, whether it's Dunk, Tarkowski, Lascelles or Ake clubs will have to pay £40-50 million for them.

 

For me we can't take that risk, fans shouldn't even be talking about Morgan or Amartey as possible first choice centre backs this season. This is the season where Wes has to take a back seat, I'd keep Amartey because he's versatile but this season he probably won't get anywhere near the matchday squad unless injuries occur.

 

There's two sides to every story, what about if the risk of playing them doesn't pay off then what? As I've just said on the Dunk thread, this is a massive opportunity of getting top six, we probably won't get a better chance. Signing an experienced Premier League centre back like Dunk could be the difference maker, if we sell Maguire then Rodgers will probably think the same way.

 

Even if one gets a chance the other won't, simple as that. Both were signed for the future, both weren't signed to be regular starters and a year later I still don't see them as regular starters...yet. Their time will come but right now I see one as 3rd/4th choice, the other should go out on loan for regular playing time, for me Soyuncu should be that guy.

 

I just think signing someone like Dunk would give us a better chance this season, and would set us up perfectly for the long term.

I could understand this if the supposed proven PL player was of higher calibre or stature than Lewis Dunk. Both Benkovic and Soyuncu would walk in to Brighton's team and then we would sign them again because they are proven Premier League players? Since when is the requisite that we have to buy proven PL players to reach the top 6? That is only important if the said players are clearly difference makers. 

 

Dunk has been part of a Brighton team that were nearly relegated, he's played 2 full seasons in the Prem but you're making out like he is a massive coup. He really ought to be for £45m but in reality he'd be an above average player who has spent the majority if his career in the lower leagues. We have built the nucleus of our successful squad on players like that at earlier stages in their careers which is fine, that's not a criticism but it is when considering WHY we need this player to go for the top 6. I don't think he is any more certain to help us get there than two of the most promising defenders being courted last summer in Soyuncu and Benkovic. Had both of them been signed this week just as Maguire is departing then would you still think we needed to buy the force that is Lewis Dunk?

[Nicolo Barella]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I could understand this if the supposed proven PL player was of higher calibre or stature than Lewis Dunk. Both Benkovic and Soyuncu would walk in to Brighton's team and then we would sign them again because they are proven Premier League players? Since when is the requisite that we have to buy proven PL players to reach the top 6? That is only important if the said players are clearly difference makers. 

 

Dunk has been part of a Brighton team that were nearly relegated, he's played 2 full seasons in the Prem but you're making out like he is a massive coup. He really ought to be for £45m but in reality he'd be an above average player who has spent the majority if his career in the lower leagues. We have built the nucleus of our successful squad on players like that at earlier stages in their careers which is fine, that's not a criticism but it is when considering WHY we need this player to go for the top 6. I don't think he is any more certain to help us get there than two of the most promising defenders being courted last summer in Soyuncu and Benkovic. Had both of them been signed this week just as Maguire is departing then would you still think we needed to buy the force that is Lewis Dunk?

This i think is at the heart of the argument. If we had signed two exciting young foreign centrebacks vying for Maguire's place in the squad this window, there would be few grumbles. Maybe some would go on about "PL proven" but that's besides the point. People just want something new.

[Ric Flair]

3 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

This i think is at the heart of the argument. If we had signed two exciting young foreign centrebacks vying for Maguire's place in the squad this window, there would be few grumbles. Maybe some would go on about "PL proven" but that's besides the point. People just want something new.

Getting proven Prem players when you are an above average team in this league is a nightmare to achieve and often not worth the money. Its laughable when you consider who much we'd have to pay for a Ricardo or Maddison that were proven Premier League players. 

 

Lewis Dunk really isn't the second coming and the price being quoted is staggering. If there's a real need for an upgrade on Benkovic or Soyuncu to fill the void of Maguire leaving then go elsewhere. 

[oadby.fox]

22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I could understand this if the supposed proven PL player was of higher calibre or stature than Lewis Dunk. Both Benkovic and Soyuncu would walk in to Brighton's team and then we would sign them again because they are proven Premier League players? Since when is the requisite that we have to buy proven PL players to reach the top 6? That is only important if the said players are clearly difference makers. 

 

Dunk has been part of a Brighton team that were nearly relegated, he's played 2 full seasons in the Prem but you're making out like he is a massive coup. He really ought to be for £45m but in reality he'd be an above average player who has spent the majority if his career in the lower leagues. We have built the nucleus of our successful squad on players like that at earlier stages in their careers which is fine, that's not a criticism but it is when considering WHY we need this player to go for the top 6. I don't think he is any more certain to help us get there than two of the most promising defenders being courted last summer in Soyuncu and Benkovic. Had both of them been signed this week just as Maguire is departing then would you still think we needed to buy the force that is Lewis Dunk?

Yeah exactly and whilst I can see why people are asking for "PL proven", I also notice that they are quick to dismiss the cases in which high-profile transfers between premier league teams have completely flopped (Sanchez surely one of the most recent worst) and those in which players have come from elsewhere to take the league by storm (Kante anyone?). "PL proven" is no guarantee that it is a risk free transfer, not even for extortionate wages and transfer fees. At the end of the day, a quality player will be a quality player and that is usually the case no matter which league they find themselves within. I haven't seen anything in Soyuncu or Benkovic which demonstrates that they can't make the step-up and if anything, I thought that the former looked pretty good at times when playing for us last season. If we have any intention of using either of them whatsoever then they will have to play at some point - every player has to play a first PL season at one point if they want to play in the PL, we weren't whinging about Barnes being recalled and thrown straight into the first 11 because he wasn't "PL proven". 

 

I hate the idea that we would just spunk millions on these two promising CB's for absolutely no reason whatsoever, they seem decent and there's two competing for a single place so give them a go! People act as if our defending was consistently amazing last season - it wasn't. I know we are looking to improve in all areas but I honestly feel that we will be grabbing way more goals with an ever-improving Maddison, Tielemans, Perez and a team which plays to Vardy's strengths. If it is the case that we need a CB, then surely one of the younger lads needs to be sold or loaned out and surely we can do better than the £45m touted for Dunk. I'd much rather see the money spent on a quality winger which could contribute towards 20 goals over a season and not basically use the vast majority of the Maguire fee to essentially land a slightly older downgrade. If we want to go for one of the cups then having midfielders and forwards that we can rotate will be essential in the early rounds, and obviously the deeper our bench is in this respect the more likely we will be to breeze through.