Countryfox Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 Join the dots .. this ain’t rocket science ... Inside the Merc Tanner says .. “They would only consider selling if the player himself expressed a wish to move .. and it would have to be a huge offer .. “ so the ball really is in Harry’s court. If he says I want to go ... he’s off ! Personally I can’t think why he wouldn’t want to go ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Maguire and Chilwell out for a combined 100m. Benkovic*, Tielemans, Telles in leaves plenty still left for a winger and a back up forward. Maguire and Chilwell.. More like £130m+... Benko back.. Sign Tierney, Bowen and Adams. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 18 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Probably end up with Joe Allan and Ibe Frigging hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Maguire and Chilwell out for a combined 100m. Benkovic*, Tielemans, Telles in leaves plenty still left for a winger and a back up forward. That’s not nearly enough for both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 6 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Join the dots .. this ain’t rocket science ... Inside the Merc Tanner says .. “They would only consider selling if the player himself expressed a wish to move .. and it would have to be a huge offer .. “ so the ball really is in Harry’s court. If he says I want to go ... he’s off ! Personally I can’t think why he wouldn’t want to go ... Precisely i think he will ask to be allowed to leave (without putting in a request) so the ball ball is in Man City’s court re what they are prepared to pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 35 minutes ago, That_Dude said: Indeed but it gives us more chances to do so. Our maybe less chance as we look to be a selling club rather than be able to compete at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vindaloo FOX Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 Hate to see him go, but we have a number of quilty CBs to step in. Hope we spend the money wisely and don't waste it on rubbish like we have done before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 10 hours ago, SO1 said: Sadly or not this is one of the best ways to build a team to get in the top six. Through selling players on and taking the money. Investing in youth for the academy and to compete for places in the first team. It's why its so important to have the best development and scouting teams. We're going to be selling players to the rich clubs every summer and in order for that to work we need to crate a conveyor belt of young talent. I'm thinking if were going to be successful we should expect a turnover every three to four years. problem is buying replacements, you buy duds for every star find on the market, selling and buying is far harder than it sounds. Generally selling established first team players unless you "need" rather than "want" the money is not a good idea. Think of all the dross we have signed since the title win as an example of that. I am sure people on here know this yet I keep reading this again and again likes its easy to sell a player for tons of money and then suddenly find a decent replacement. Also the issue is we wont be keeping good players for 3-4 years, maguire has been here 2 years, so that would be 2 seasons out of him. Thats a very high rate of turnover. Its probably why southampton fell down the table so fast as its a big ask to turnover players every 2 seasons and maintain quality, especially considering players need to fit with each other as well, its not a given any player will fit into a team. Sadly tho with the mess the club has got itself in (personally I think we in over our heads with new training ground and expansion, should never have gone ahead with it if owners were not personally willing to fund it), it does seem we "need" the money so at least one big player will be sold this summer and I think maguire is the most likely. If we use it to get tielemans I will consider it a reasonably intelligent move, as without tielemans our team is too unbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 I'd take Touaizi, Taylor Richards, Bernabe and £50m for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Join the dots .. this ain’t rocket science ... Inside the Merc Tanner says .. “They would only consider selling if the player himself expressed a wish to move .. and it would have to be a huge offer .. “ so the ball really is in Harry’s court. If he says I want to go ... he’s off ! Personally I can’t think why he wouldn’t want to go ... Good friends with Walker sure he has been tapping him up Edited 20 May 2019 by HankMarvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 1 minute ago, Chrysalis said: problem is buying replacements, you buy duds for every star find on the market, selling and buying is far harder than it sounds. Generally selling established first team players unless you "need" rather than "want" the money is not a good idea. Think of all the dross we have signed since the title win as an example of that. I am sure people on here know this yet I keep reading this again and again likes its easy to sell a player for tons of money and then suddenly find a decent replacement. Also the issue is we wont be keeping good players for 3-4 years, maguire has been here 2 years, so that would be 2 seasons out of him. Thats a very high rate of turnover. Its probably why southampton fell down the table so fast as its a big ask to turnover players every 2 seasons and maintain quality, especially considering players need to fit with each other as well, its not a given any player will fit into a team. Sadly tho with the mess the club has got itself in (personally I think we in over our heads with new training ground and expansion, should never have gone ahead with it if owners were not personally willing to fund it), it does seem we "need" the money so at least one big player will be sold this summer and I think maguire is the most likely. If we use it to get tielemans I will consider it a reasonably intelligent move, as without tielemans our team is too unbalanced. You are right in a way, but Maguire was already being talked about in wanting to leave after just a season. Now we could refuse bids all summer, even from Man City and force him to stay but eventually he's either going or his form will drop that much that he's no longer wanted by the very best. Obviously we could get top 6, maybe even top 4 with him and keep the wolf from the door but ultimately if Man City want him, he is going. This is why we sign players in their late teens, early twenties because you get a few more years out of them before they want to leave but Maguire is now 26 and I don't think he'd be content to stay here much longer if the elite are sniffing. There's no guarantees that we will spend the money wisely but there's no guarantees we will spend the money we currently have very wisely and we need to improve a few areas of the team. Central defence is probably our most secure area right now and Maguire had a very ordinary season for us, it feels like it wouldn't be the end of the world if he were to leave. Losing Chilwell however instead or as well as would feel much more of a worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 Has anything actually happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 8 minutes ago, Deeg67 said: That’s not nearly enough for both of them. I'd love the fairytale world where we get like 75 each for them but it's not going to happen. Man City are shrewd. They gave us 65m for our best ever player, months after Liverpool sold someone barely much better (who's had an equally tough time at his new club) for like 170. We're not getting 80/90 odd for Maguire and we'll get less for Chilwell. I'd like to be wrong but I think we get wildly optimistic about transfer fees on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 3 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Our maybe less chance as we look to be a selling club rather than be able to compete at the top. Yes we sell a player a season (ish) .. but only to the very very top clubs .. and only if they want to go and the fee is BIG .. I think so far we are doing as good as we can and the club is improving on a season by season basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Has anything actually happened? Yes Kompany is leaving Citeh ... Edited 20 May 2019 by Countryfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 Just now, Finnegan said: I'd love the fairytale world where we get like 75 each for them but it's not going to happen. Man City are shrewd. They gave us 65m for our best ever player, months after Liverpool sold someone barely much better (who's had an equally tough time at his new club) for like 170. We're not getting 80/90 odd for Maguire and we'll get less for Chilwell. I'd like to be wrong but I think we get wildly optimistic about transfer fees on here. Agreed, the only way we get more than £65m is if it's another club that come in for him than Man City. Man Utd would pay more than that if we forced them to, but Pep and Man City are clever. They know that Maguire or any player they are serious about getting is guaranteed trophies and probably insane progression in their game if they go there so they sit and wait for the player to force the move, forgo any loyalty money they might get out of a transfer and the deal crawls over the line when everyone's bored to tears with it. It would have helped if Man Utd hadn't been an absolute disgrace in the last 2 months, Maguire would possibly fancy a move there over City but not now. The gaff is an absolute horror show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Dude Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 13 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Our maybe less chance as we look to be a selling club rather than be able to compete at the top. IF we sell him for peanuts (which won't be the case), maybe. We already proved in this past that we only sell when we want it, at the right price. Like it or not, if MCFC come, Maguire will want to go and we are covered in terms of CBs. His stock now is higher than ever, we're short of good players in other crucial areas and we don't have the money, that's the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 20 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Our maybe less chance as we look to be a selling club rather than be able to compete at the top. Every club sells players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_marshall Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 (edited) If Man City are genuinely interested in him then we need to be pushing for a ridiculously high fee. This potential transfer is a weird one for me. If he went to United for £65m I'd think that we had done a good bit of business as they need a defender to sure up the back line and I don't think Harry is the man for that job so would look pretty average in their team. Conversely if he ends up at Man City I think we'd seriously regret selling him for any less than £85m as they require a footballer who is comfortable on the ball not necessarily someone versed in the art of defending so given Man City's dominance on the ball I think he'd look world class in their back line. Edited 20 May 2019 by ian_marshall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: yes - all the top six sides sell their best players each year ............. tell me a club this has worked for (and don’t say spurs as they had to sell bale and Walker who both wanted to leave). If harry asks asks to leave then I accept that and Man City have to pay 75/80 million (remember we owe hull 15%) but if he is content to stay and and leaves it up to us to decide then we should stick usually it doesnt work. squad stability is very important. Sadly tho I think king power are no longer willing to pump money in, our last profit was about a million and we have a players we need to fund and a huge debt for development work. I agree with you tho, for the most part selling players with the idea that you can buy replacements willy nilly that are suitable is fantasy for the most part, you could sell a gem for say 60 million and buy say 5 players for 20 million each, one is a good buy, the other 4 dude, so you spent 100 million to replace a player you sold for 60 and have 4 extra players on the wage bill trying to find that one good replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 2 hours ago, Babylon said: The top 6 have the money to stay there without selling players, because they are vastly richer than everyone else. Selling an asset and using that to strengthen is one of the few ways we can hope to push on if money isn't coming from elsewhere. Man City come calling, he isn't saying no. we already have the players, the advancement at this point is coaching and tactics. The only positions lacking is probably the fact tielemans needs signing and another striker. Those could be funded from a combination of king power and selling, loaning out fringe players. Selling your best player's and rolling the dice in the market can weaken as much as strengthen and actually probably is based on our track record more likely to weaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muzzy_Larsson Posted 20 May 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 20 May 2019 (edited) I get no club wants to lose their best players and Maguire is clearly one of those. However, given the strength in depth you guys have at the back and the astronomical fees that are being quoted for Maguire would it not be perceived as a calculated sacrifice to strengthen other areas of the side? Would be far easier to replace than someone like Chilwell for example. Edited 20 May 2019 by henrik_62 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Selling Maguire doesn't mean we can get Tielemans. That should be the condition of his sale from the clubs point of view, try and sign tielemans, if successful sell maguire to get the money back, (as it looks like king power is no longer willing to invest), but if we cannot buy him then keep maguire. the idea that one should just sell whenever is a big offer and can easy plug the gap is fantasy land. Edited 20 May 2019 by Chrysalis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: we already have the players, the advancement at this point is coaching and tactics. The only positions lacking is probably the fact tielemans needs signing and another striker. Those could be funded from a combination of king power and selling, loaning out fringe players. Selling your best player's and rolling the dice in the market can weaken as much as strengthen and actually probably is based on our track record more likely to weaken. Do we? We're already 14 points behind a dreadful united team who will just go out and spend another £200m. You can say we'll get more points from coaching, and I'm hopeful we will... but Puel got more points against the teams Rodgers faced than Rodgers actually did. So I'm not sure it's going to see a 14 point swing to even get close to Man U. The wingers are failing to produce so we're likely to need more and the fringe players aren't worth much at all. And, as yet Kingpower haven't shown willing to fund anything in the last 6 years (not a criticism), so we'll see on that one. Edited 20 May 2019 by Babylon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispin LA Posted 20 May 2019 Share Posted 20 May 2019 I haven't been to the King Power to see Leicester play, so what I've seen on Maguire is what I see on TV. What do you guys who watch the matches at the stadium think of his season, work ethic, gameplay and attitude on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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