Premier League Thread 2019/20

[Danno]

2 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Really hope Bournemouth finally do one.

Yeah, West Ham, Bournemouth and Villa need to fvck right off 

[Stadt]

4 minutes ago, DanNDH88 said:

Yeah, West Ham, Bournemouth and Villa need to fvck right off 

Hate that Pearson ended up at Watford, feel so conflicted about them now 

[Tielemans63]

58 minutes ago, Christoph said:

Unpopular opinion but why do these parents need their kids feeding in the summer? Have their benefits gone down because of the virus? It's not like they've lost their jobs as most of them wont even have jobs. Presumably next summer they wont get the free dinners. 

 

 

Ive got a few "council estate" crowd on my facebook and all of them seem that these people dont even need it and that if they werent wasting money on fags and cheap alcohol they wouldnt be struggling to feed their kids. Obviously there is a counter argument to that in which should kids suffer because of their parents being shit and the answer is probably not. Still a little food for thought. 

I think that's a big generalisation. While there's no doubt that some do waste money on booze and fags for many the situation they find themselves in isn't their own fault. At the school I teach at we have kids getting FSM because a parent has died, some have parents who have been injured at work or while serving their country. Sometimes parents have lost jobs in specialist industries and now can't find work

 Sometimes a parent has just upped and left and isn't contributing anything financially. There's loads of scenarios and it can happen to anyone, not just 'council estate types'. That perception is quite inaccurate unhelpful.

 

These are problems don't go away for 6 weeks over summer.

Edited 16 June 2020 by Paddy.

[Christoph]

Just now, Paddy. said:

I think that's a big generalisation. While there's no doubt that some do waste money on booze and fags for many the situation they find themselves in isn't their own fault. At the school I teach at we have kids getting FSM because a parent has died, some have parents who have been injured at work or while serving their country. Sometimes parents have lost jobs in specialist industries and now can't find work

 Sometimes a parent has just upped and left and isn't contributing anything financially. There's loads of scenarios and it can happen to anyone, not just 'council estate types'. That perception is quite inaccurate unhelpful.

 

I'm just playing devils advocate. Can't say i disagree with the motion  at all just giving some opinions from others ive heard. 

 

To me this seems like something the government is doing to shut up people but come next summer they'll be back to no fsm. Then it begs the question why only this summer?  

 

 

[Danno]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Hate that Pearson ended up at Watford, feel so conflicted about them now 

Never really minded them but now I’m always checking their results.. their fans aren’t as unbearable as West Ham and Villa though

[tom27111]

1 hour ago, rachhere said:

It's about breaking cycles of deprivation. It's well documented that some kids unfortunately go without adequate food over the school holidays. They will be giving out food vouchers rather than cash, so in theory it won't be abused. 

 

It's not specifically food vouchers, it's a £15 weekly voucher for a supermarket of your choice. Supermarkets sell fags and booze.

 

A problem is how the free school meal system works. 

 

My Mrs was a single mum, at university as a mature student a few years ago, struggling, but coping.

 

Her 2 kids we're given free school meals. Now, my Mrs is a qualified social worker, who doesn't need the help she once did and she's told the school this.

 

The schools reply..."If you're eligible for free school meals at any point, that stands for the next 6 years, whatever your current circumstances."

 

We've had £30 worth of vouchers every week since the school closed. As we don't need it, we've donated £30 worth of shopping to a local food bank in Northampton every week.

[RowlattsFox]

Wasn't sure where to put this but wanted to say something, watching the end of the England v Croatia 2004 on BBC2, what a chance that tournament was to win something.

[Nod.E]

2 hours ago, FoyleFox said:

 

Exactly this. I can't get anyonw who isn't a City fan to comprehend this.  No matter how well we're doing I can't truly be optimistic, whenever I consider a bit of opttimism, like early this season we then get battered i.e. Liverpool Boxing Day or we lose a ridiculous game i.e. Villa in the Cup. And boom, back to pessimism.

 

I always hope, desperately hope but If I'm expecting the worst I can be pleasantly surprised.

I don't really understand your point. 

 

You're basically explaining that we sometimes lose football matches. That'll happen! 

[Footballwipe]

3 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

 

It's not specifically food vouchers, it's a £15 weekly voucher for a supermarket of your choice. Supermarkets sell fags and booze.

 

A problem is how the free school meal system works. 

 

My Mrs was a single mum, at university as a mature student a few years ago, struggling, but coping.

 

Her 2 kids we're given free school meals. Now, my Mrs is a qualified social worker, who doesn't need the help she once did and she's told the school this.

 

The schools reply..."If you're eligible for free school meals at any point, that stands for the next 6 years, whatever your current circumstances."

 

We've had £30 worth of vouchers every week since the school closed. As we don't need it, we've donated £30 worth of shopping to a local food bank in Northampton every week.

But that's not limited to that particular system? Both the winter fuel allowance and the free TV licence are both available for the richest of rich oldies, because it isn't means tested. It's not the only benefit in the world where there's a global entitlement.

[rachhere]

3 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

 

It's not specifically food vouchers, it's a £15 weekly voucher for a supermarket of your choice. Supermarkets sell fags and booze.

 

A problem is how the free school meal system works. 

 

My Mrs was a single mum, at university as a mature student a few years ago, struggling, but coping.

 

Her 2 kids we're given free school meals. Now, my Mrs is a qualified social worker, who doesn't need the help she once did and she's told the school this.

 

The schools reply..."If you're eligible for free school meals at any point, that stands for the next 6 years, whatever your current circumstances."

 

We've had £30 worth of vouchers every week since the school closed. As we don't need it, we've donated £30 worth of shopping to a local food bank in Northampton every week.

Yes that definitely is a problem. But poor policy implementation doesn't mean it's not much needed by some (referring specifically to the OPs post earlier). 

[Nalis]

1 hour ago, DanNDH88 said:

Yeah, West Ham, Bournemouth and Villa need to fvck right off 

Would need some run from Norwich but works for me!

 

Brighton can fvck off next season when Leeds get promoted.

[CosbehFox]

10 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Wasn't sure where to put this but wanted to say something, watching the end of the England v Croatia 2004 on BBC2, what a chance that tournament was to win something.

Kinda of ended when Rooney got injured. We were mint against France in the opener before individual mistakes 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, The Bear said:

We've got a good run-in but not the best, according to the average position of our opponents. 

 

The average position is bit of a misnomer, you want to play teams who have naff all to play for 

[Danno]

1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Would need some run from Norwich but works for me!

 

Brighton can fvck off next season when Leeds get promoted.

I hate so sound arrogant because we’ve served up some absolute dross since we’ve been in the prem but teams like Brighton and Norwich are pretty pointless in this league 

[The Bear]

3 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

The average position is bit of a misnomer, you want to play teams who have naff all to play for 

I've never really bought that argument. I'd much rather have teams in the bottom half. They are down there for a reason.... because they're not very good. They might be slightly more up for it in terms of work-rate, but the point still stands. 

 

Those with nothing to play for often can play with a bit more freedom, unless its the last day when everyone is already on the beach.

 

Plus nowadays clubs go nuts over table pride and prize money for each place, even though its not much. 

Edited 16 June 2020 by The Bear

[HighPeakFox]

16 minutes ago, The Bear said:

I've never really bought that argument. I'd much rather have teams in the bottom half. They are down there for a reason.... because they're not very good. They might be slightly more up for it in terms of work-rate, but the point still stands. 

 

Those with nothing to play for often can play with a bit more freedom, unless its the last day when everyone is already on the beach.

 

Plus nowadays clubs go nuts over table pride and prize money for each place, even though its not much. 

I believe you are saying this to soothe yourself  

[Heathrow fox]

4 hours ago, DanNDH88 said:

I hate so sound arrogant because we’ve served up some absolute dross since we’ve been in the prem but teams like Brighton and Norwich are pretty pointless in this league 

I think it’s good to have East Anglian representation in the top flight.In fact I like it when both Ipswich and Norwich are up there.As for Brighton,fair play to them.I know they scream Championship but they are working really hard to build something.

[The Bear]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

I believe you are saying this to soothe yourself  

Nah. I'm just a rebellious contrarian. 

Edited 16 June 2020 by The Bear

[UniFox21]

I don't understand when fans or pundits try to justify that Mane or Son are underrated, when nothing could be further from the truth. Both are brilliant players and get plaudits constantly. 

[Leeds Fox]

6 hours ago, Christoph said:

 

I'm just playing devils advocate. Can't say i disagree with the motion  at all just giving some opinions from others ive heard. 

 

To me this seems like something the government is doing to shut up people but come next summer they'll be back to no fsm. Then it begs the question why only this summer?  

 

 

Some parents have had their kids at home for an extra 3 months compared with what they’d usually have. On top of that, some working parents who already struggle will have had their wages cut or even completely removed. 
 

Asking an uneducated, stereotyping questions isn’t playing devils advocate. 
 

Of course there are irresponsible parents but as @Paddy. said, there are plenty of reasons that a child might go without.
 

It should be means tested and ideally only be spent on food. However not helping to feed children who’s parents genuinely need help, because there are some bad eggs about isn’t right. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion on the matter but I’m sure we can all agree that no child deserves to go hungry regardless of the circumstances. I feel even more for the ones with bad parents because they likely suffer in other ways than being hungry too. Going hungry is one thing, but imagine that as well as having no love, dirty clothes, living in a house that isn’t very nice (and potentially being bullied because of any of those factors). Some of us have had it that good that we struggle to see how the other half live. 

[fox_up_north]

15 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I don't understand when fans or pundits try to justify that Mane or Son are underrated, when nothing could be further from the truth. Both are brilliant players and get plaudits constantly. 

I hate the narrative that Son, who got 3 red cards in a season, "isn't that sort of player"

 

B0llocks. You don't get a red card for kicking someone and get to be seen as an angel. 

 

Get in the Fuching corner with Joey Barton.

 

But, yeah, other than that - lovely guy  

[snoopy87]

17 hours ago, FoyleFox said:

 

Exactly this. I can't get anyonw who isn't a City fan to comprehend this.  No matter how well we're doing I can't truly be optimistic, whenever I consider a bit of opttimism, like early this season we then get battered i.e. Liverpool Boxing Day or we lose a ridiculous game i.e. Villa in the Cup. And boom, back to pessimism.

 

I always hope, desperately hope but If I'm expecting the worst I can be pleasantly surprised.

i think that Villa Semi-Final sums it all up. The best possible tie against a side we've already battered once and we didn't even show up for it. Leicester that

[Dan.Reynolds]

It's finally back.

 

Feels like Christmas day as a kid.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Dan.Reynolds said:

It's finally back.

 

Feels like Christmas day as a kid.

Christmas Day where you only get to open a few fairly shit gifts whilst you wait for the proper presents off the main man to arrive 3 days later?

[CosbehFox]

13 hours ago, The Bear said:

I've never really bought that argument. I'd much rather have teams in the bottom half. They are down there for a reason.... because they're not very good. They might be slightly more up for it in terms of work-rate, but the point still stands. 

 

Those with nothing to play for often can play with a bit more freedom, unless its the last day when everyone is already on the beach.

 

Plus nowadays clubs go nuts over table pride and prize money for each place, even though its not much. 

I say this as a club who finished their seasons twice in expectational form to win the title and stay up. The fixtures were so helpful. 

 

When we won the league, Newcastle and Norwich were the hardest opponent to get past. Playing the likes of Palace, Watford and Southampton was so handy. You run harder they don't want to. 

 

Same happened the year before when we beat West Ham to kick off the great escape, Swansea and Southampton. Cannon fodder. Burnley we squeezed past by comparison.