FA investigating Hamza

[Foxxed]

I will support the investigation if it goes like this:

 

"When did he tweet the things?"

"When he was 15."

 

"Okay. Case closed."

[Suzie the Fox]

17 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

1. You don't know they won't do that. The match was Sunday, it's only Tuesday. That's literally no time at all in football. Hennessey's nazi salute issue is still ongoing isn't it? 

 

2. They shouldn't just fob it straight off, they should take their time to appraise it properly. Some of what he said was horrible and whilst his age SHOULD mitigate any punishment down to basically a finger wag, they should send the message that any such comments will be properly scrutinised. 

 

3. The people that matter, the club, know Hamza played very well. That's all that matters. 

 

Again i agree with you - It shouldnt be fobbed off, this sort of thing should be stamped out and addressed, just because he is young he shouldnt get away with it. But how long does it take to look on his twitter account to see old posts? The time anyway is irrelevant .. Like i said i think he will be cleared and told he is a naughty boy and not to do it again.

 

I made a post here to basically say i felt sorry for Hamza having a crazy good game and now all that will be remembered is these tweets. To go from super high to probably very low in a matter of days, cant be fun for anyone. 

 

And with regards Hennessey, he was cleared of all charges 3/4 weeks ago. 

 

 

[Bryn]

The investigation is fairly tenuous but it is obviously worthwhile checking high-profile footballers aren't genuinely sexist or racist, and if they are ensure they have access to support and education to ensure that they learn. Proper punishment should be reserved for where it is genuinely appropriate (assault, sustained offending or genuine incitement of discrimination against a section of people).

 

The investigation should go about as far as checking he now rejects any such sentiment and that should be that.

[Stadt]

His apology is better than most I thought. It appears genuine to me, given that Rice and Hennessey have been let off it'd be ridiculous if Hamza faces any punishment but I doubt he will.

[Guest MattP]

29 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Honestly the funniest case I've seen in how long. How he got away with pleading ignorance is beyond me

 

My favourite part though is that his agent / solicitor even advised him to plead innocence in the first place. He was doing it to a German player and he had his ****ing finger under his nose

 

Who was ever going to think he was a real Nazi!?!? 

 

He was clearly taking the piss. If national treasure and absolute legend John Cleese can do it in one of the country's most beloved comedy sketches of all time, why the hell didn't he just say that's what he was blatantly doing and leave it at that

 

So insane. 

It was pretty staggering, if you Google the statement the FA released they say things along the lines of his knowledge of the second World War being "lamentable".

 

And as funny as Cleese was we all know there is no chance that they would screen something like that today. Sadly even Larry David is wrapping up Curb after the next series as he says the humour isn't going to fit into the modern World so imagine the reaction Faulty Towers would get, using that excuse would have seen him get banned rather than nothing. 

 

I'd love to have seen the whole process, imagine having to pretend to be that thick just so you can play football - completely embarrassing.

[sm1]

2 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Welcome to the future.

 

All your childhood comments are on record forever.

 

They will be used against you.

This is the big brother society that George Orwell wrote about. People getting charged for "thought" crimes. 

[Guest MattP]

18 minutes ago, Bryn said:

The investigation is fairly tenuous but it is obviously worthwhile checking high-profile footballers aren't genuinely sexist or racist, and if they are ensure they have access to support and education to ensure that they learn.

How do you "educate" someone into thinking women's football is good if they think it's shit?

 

You can't exactly sit them down A Clockwork Orange style to watch the 1970 World Cup final and impose long hair and tits on Pele and Jarzinho etc

[Bryn]

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

How do you "educate" someone into thinking women's football is good if they think it's shit?

 

You can't exactly sit them down A Clockwork Orange style to watch the 1970 World Cup final and impose long hair and tits on Pele and Jarzinho etc

 

You don't, you educate them if they harbour genuinely sexist views and motivations.

[don_danbury]

"investigating" looooool

[Corky]

Why didn't they do this when it happened six years ago? He was a footballer then too.

[Tielemans63]

I'm not just saying this because it's Hamza but if the FA go ahead with this then it sets one hell of a precedent. This will become commonplace after games whereby fans from other clubs will dig up some shit about a player who has annoyed them and the FA will then be duty-bound to investigate.

 

Maybe they should set a date for inappropriate comments e.g they investigate any content from within the last three years. Hamza was 15 for crying out loud!

[Dorchester Fox]

Sort of linked to this..

 

There was a moment in the first half when Hamza was down in the away fan corner and he seemed to bite at something that was shouted by an Arsenal fan... He definitely turned around and then looked like he mentioned something to the linesman. I briefly wondered at the time if it had been something out of order from an Arsenal fan... And thought it probably was..

 

What's the betting that the same Gooner caveman has tried to pre-empt any complaint coming his way by raking some of this up? It's the way that they work when they have chips on their shoulders...

[H.a.r.r.y]

Declan Rice was fine though...

[H.a.r.r.y]

54 minutes ago, Bryn said:

 

You don't, you educate them if they harbour genuinely sexist views and motivations.

thinking women's football is sh*t is not sexist

[Guest ttfn]

Even putting to one side the fact that he was 15, disciplining somebody for something they said 6 years ago seems like a total waste of time.

 

The opportunity to “educate” Hamza was 6 years ago. He’s a grown man now, he knows what he said was wrong.

 

So in the end this is just about pleasing the internet mob. Hopefully this will sate the public until the next young man/woman has the temerity to do something to put themselves in the spotlight.

 

There’s a generation of people aged 20-35 who grew up not properly understanding the permanence or reach of social media, and it’s hard to imagine that many people of that age don’t have things on their public record which won’t look good in the cold light of 2019. 

 

[Bryn]

12 minutes ago, H.a.r.r.y said:

thinking women's football is sh*t is not sexist

 

That's precisely the point I'm making.

[worthosoriginals]

2 hours ago, sishades said:

When I was 4 years old I once called someone a fatty bum bum. Should I be worried?.

yes, expect the sound of jackboots and a knock on your door in the night.

[reynard]

19 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Even putting to one side the fact that he was 15, disciplining somebody for something they said 6 years ago seems like a total waste of time.

 

The opportunity to “educate” Hamza was 6 years ago. He’s a grown man now, he knows what he said was wrong.

 

So in the end this is just about pleasing the internet mob. Hopefully this will sate the public until the next young man/woman has the temerity to do something to put themselves in the spotlight.

 

There’s a generation of people aged 20-35 who grew up not properly understanding the permanence or reach of social media, and it’s hard to imagine that many people of that age don’t have things on their public record which won’t look good in the cold light of 2019. 

 

Unfortunately the world doesn't work this way. If he had commited a crime when 15 he could still be charged for it now if someone filed a complaint and the police decide to proceed.

 

The question that needs to be asked is why was something not done at the time by both the club and the FA? If it was then why is this being investigated.

Clubs surely have a duty of care to young players to educate them in the usage and dangers of social media. Was this done by us? It would simply be far better if players and celebrities stayed off things like twitter and left it alone to the sad trolls who seem to be obsessed with it.

[MPH]

5 hours ago, Babylon said:

Absolutely ridiculous, the lad was a minor. Hadn't taken his GCSE's, couldn't buy a packet of fags, or vote (they limit young people doing so for a reason). Where do you draw the sodding line. They going to go through his Bebo account form when he was 9?

 

 

I bet he's got a couple of songs with some dodgy lyrics on an old myspace account...

[Countryfox]

6 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Don't the FA have better things to do than investigate things a 15yr old tweeted? 

Surely the issue of racism in football, along with diving and implementing VAR and safe standing successfully are bigger issues to be tackling?

 

Doesn’t surprise me one fookin bit ....   but I am surprised though that it hasn’t been passed to the Crown Prosecution Service  ....   

[sylofox]

3 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Investigating a child’s tweets?  expect every player to cop a ban for something stupid then. 

People should go through every arse players tweets. 

2 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

One tweet was “why are black guys fast runners because the slow ones are in prison” 

 

A tweet about how he don’t feel any sympathy towards people who commit Suicide 

 

a tweet about women’s football not being great 

good luck getting him on point one

 

Point 2 so he has no feelings for someone he don't know committing suicide. Wow

 

Point three he don't think women's football is great. So what his choice. If he had said they should stick to ironing and washing up

 

How fvcking sad are people. If that's all he's said people need to fvcking grow up. 

[MPH]

2 hours ago, sishades said:

When I was 4 years old I once called someone a fatty bum bum. Should I be worried?.

 

When i was 6 i called my brother a banana-faced matchstick ( he was skinny), Well he hit me and my mum made him pay me 50p a week compensation for 6 weeks from his pocket money. I was well chuffed.

 

 

However i am now worried i might get prosecuted for extortion, or he might get reported to someone.

 

 

[The Horse's Mouth]

People wonder why there's no characters in football anymore, sneeze and you get a one match ban

[z-layrex]

This is the problem with the world in the age of social media. You can't be a moronic teenager anymore, because one day some historical tweet or facebook post will get dragged up to damage you, when you are most likely a totally different person now.

 

I would quite happily wipe facebook, insta, twitter and the rest of it off the face of the internet. They have become incredibly damaging to society.

 

**** knows what it must be like being a teenager today, where your entire self worth is dictated by your instagram account. It's like that black mirror episode where everyone is rated by their social media score.

[Leeds Fox]

4 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

When i was 6 i called my brother a banana-faced matchstick ( he was skinny), Well he hit me and my mum made him pay me 50p a week compensation for 6 weeks from his pocket money. I was well chuffed.

 

 

However i am now worried i might get prosecuted for extortion, or he might get reported to someone.

 

 

 

You’ll be okay as long as your brother isn’t an Arsenal fan. 

 

Imagine getting drubbed by little old Leicester and the first thing you do is go through years of tweets on someone’s Twitter account. That isn’t normal behaviour.