jayfox26 Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 Hamza needs to fight this. I'd be questioning why they have chosen to charge Hamza but let off Hennessey over the nazi salute (bollocks hes never heard of Hitler) and Rice off for the IRA bollocks. The FA seem to act like their refs, extremely inconsistent.
Foxxed Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 4 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: Looking at the rules, he will admit to the mistake a pay a fine -- I am not sure how much, since I don't know if he had signed a professional contract at that point. I can't imagine even the FA would be stupid enough to suspend the only British Asian footballer in the Premier League for being a racist based on 6-year-old tweets. Who would have thought the biggest racist in the squad also sports the biggest afro? He's been hiding in plain sight.
foxile5 Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 Just now, Foxxed said: Who would have thought the biggest racist in the squad also sports the biggest afro? He's been hiding in plain sight. Not only that but in Bangladeshi culture women are immensely beneath men. Surely the FA are punishing him culturally? I'm aware this is a stupid argument.
Wymsey Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 Appears to be racial discrimination by the FA, even if they tried to hide it..
urban.spaceman Posted 2 May 2019 Author Posted 2 May 2019 I’m curious as to what the FA will do - they banned Andre Gray for 4 matches for the same sort of thing yet called up Declan Rice for supporting the IRA and were somehow convinced that a 32 yr old man had never heard of the Nazis. If they hand him a match ban like Gray, then we’ll not just know exactly where their racial politics are, but also who they want to win the league - Hamza was integral to us beating Man City earlier this season and if they ban him now for the return fixture they could ruin our chances of qualifying for Europe but could also hand the title to Man City.
Yes N'Didi Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: I’m curious as to what the FA will do - they banned Andre Gray for 4 matches for the same sort of thing yet called up Declan Rice for supporting the IRA and were somehow convinced that a 32 yr old man had never heard of the Nazis. If they hand him a match ban like Gray, then we’ll not just know exactly where their racial politics are, but also who they want to win the league - Hamza was integral to us beating Man City earlier this season and if they ban him now for the return fixture they could ruin our chances of qualifying for Europe but could also hand the title to Man City. He has until 15th May to respond so in no way affects his availability for the next match.
Yes N'Didi Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 1 hour ago, Poznan34 said: Do we know if this will affect his availability for the final two games? It would be a massive shame for him to miss them. Has until 13th May to respond so is available against Man City.
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: I’m curious as to what the FA will do - they banned Andre Gray for 4 matches for the same sort of thing yet called up Declan Rice for supporting the IRA and were somehow convinced that a 32 yr old man had never heard of the Nazis. If they hand him a match ban like Gray, then we’ll not just know exactly where their racial politics are, but also who they want to win the league - Hamza was integral to us beating Man City earlier this season and if they ban him now for the return fixture they could ruin our chances of qualifying for Europe but could also hand the title to Man City. He has until May 13 to answer. That's the day after the Chelsea game, so if he did face a ban, it would be next season. Andre Gray made his comments when he was 21, not a minor -- although the comments were made when he was at a non-league club, he was fined the Premier League fine. My understanding is that Gray's tweets were also a bit more harsh than Hamza's. But in any event, very club needs to be scrubbing each player's social media, beginning yesterday.
Babylon Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: His entire defence should be "I was 15 years old" And my Dad by blood is black.
GeorgeTheFox Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 I told a girl in primary school that she smelt. Hope this doesn't come back to haunt me in my future career. What an absolute joke. Again with the FA it's the lack of consistency. What if Hamza appeals and says he didn't know that women existed? What if he denies any knowledge of suicide even being a thing? **** off you melts
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 5 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: He has until May 13 to answer. That's the day after the Chelsea game, so if he did face a ban, it would be next season. Andre Gray made his comments when he was 21, not a minor -- although the comments were made when he was at a non-league club, he was fined the Premier League fine. My understanding is that Gray's tweets were also a bit more harsh than Hamza's. But in any event, very club needs to be scrubbing each player's social media, beginning yesterday. One of grays were along the lines of, homosexuals are wrong and should die. Another was, stuck in traffic, hope the person involved has died to make it worth it I can't remember the exact words but it's along those lines Hardly the same as an immature 15 year old. I wonder if all these fa jobsworths were perfect at 15. Or even 6 years ago, I can say I'm not the same person I was 6 years ago and I'm sure that's the case for most people
Fightforever Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 He was 15 he hadn't even done his GCSEs at that point. WTF FA
Dan Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: Didn't Wayne Hennessey get out of one of these by saying he didn't know who Hitler was or something? Should just say he's never heard of women's football. That'll get him off and piss them off at the same time.
lcfc sheff Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 Anyways, moving on from this pointless nonsense...- he looks like he can really add something to this team. Eventually, he could be our captain.
Foxes1 Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 36 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: Hamza needs to fight this. I'd be questioning why they have chosen to charge Hamza but let off Hennessey over the nazi salute (bollocks hes never heard of Hitler) and Rice off for the IRA bollocks. The FA seem to act like their refs, extremely inconsistent. Most likely because they play for London clubs they seem untouchable.
norwichfox Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 This sort of thing needs stamping out right now, bloody 14/15 year old sending offensive tweets....someone in the FA really needs to get a grip - they're utter tw@ts for taking this action.
Dan Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 1 hour ago, Hammo said: This is all complete bollocks - but I don't actually blame the FA. I blame all those self-righteous, seemingly irreproachable PC pressure groups and media outlets that are sprouting up from everywhere and leave governing bodies and public services with no choice but to bow fearfully to their bullying, beyond-the realms-of-reasonable-debate demands. Can we not just be left alone to act as decent, honourable, law-abiding - though inevitably imperfect - human beings without being hounded into shame and notoriety for the most trivial detour off the path of PC-sanctioned conformity? That's where I blame the FA - that simply isn't true. If they all collectively stood up to this shite these people wouldn't yield a jot of power. There's just too much empowering of absolute ****ing morons nowadays. The constant failure to call it out is the problem.
Captain... Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 They really aren’t that bad, immature definitely, but the ‘racist’ one is clearly a poor taste joke not an act of genuine racism. The women's football one is out of context but almost definitely true, the self harming one shows a lack of understanding and empathy which is not surprising in a 15 year old. Andre Gray’s tweets were vile and can in no way be compared or justified.
turtmcfly Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 23 minutes ago, GeorgeTheFox said: I told a girl in primary school that she smelt. Hope this doesn't come back to haunt me in my future career. What an absolute joke. Again with the FA it's the lack of consistency. What if Hamza appeals and says he didn't know that women existed? What if he denies any knowledge of suicide even being a thing? **** off you melts Were you between jobs?
GeorgeTheFox Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 1 minute ago, turtmcfly said: Were you between jobs? listen it was a rough time when I was 20 that I wouldn't like to revisit. To be fair she was my niece and she fcking stank
ALC Fox Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 The FA comes across as very reactive rather than proactive regarding this type of thing. Do we ever hear of any kind of guidelines regarding how they define the level of severity of historical, public tweets? The prevalence of social media means this type of thing is going to keep happening and they need disciplinary procedures in place for exactly what kind of content is posted, how severe it is, how long ago it was posted, how old the perpeptrator was at the time, etc. It needs to be a root and branch set of conditions that results in a set fine, ban, or whatever kind of punishment it may be for a certain kind of offence. Journalists would also need to be made aware of these guidelines so that they can be reported on accurately, and the FA need to explain clearly how they arrived at their punishment. Otherwise, there will always be scrutiny and the FA will be open to criticism for inconsistent punishments, especially if players of a certain race or skin colour appear to be treated differently to others. Regarding Hamza specifically, there's no excusing the racism, that's the worst part of it for me. The sexism isn't as harsh, but it is wildly ignorant and still offensive. The FA have a duty to investigate and hand out a punishment if it's warranted, but they have to be clear and explicit about exactly how their decision is made. I'm sure Hamza himself will have his tail between his legs and will learn from the experience. I'd also hope the FA and the club will speak with him and offer him some education because that's the only way these kinds of views are really going to be eradicated. Punishment on its own just keeps the views on the downlow, hidden from public view (unless the perpetrator educates themselves of course). Hamza will get over it, I'm sure. But presently there's a lot that stinks about how certain fans of other clubs have jumped on his back and how, in these types of situations, the FA seem to just trot out identikit statements about 'investigations' and what a punishment is without really giving any structured reasoning for their conclusions.
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 1 hour ago, Izzy said: Fvck Twitter. Horrible invention And pointless. Hey everybody, here are my dumbass opinions. Now tell me yours. Now that I think about it, it's a bit like FoxesTalk.
GingerrrFox Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 So Declan Rice can post a tweet supporting a terrorist organisation and get away with an apology. So to can Wayne Hennessy who was photographed doing a Nazi salute whilst being a professional footballer. Yet Hamza gets formally charged for mocking his own skin colour and having a cheeky dig at women’s football? This screams of ****ing racism.
Guest SO1 Posted 2 May 2019 Posted 2 May 2019 7 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said: So Declan Rice can post a tweet supporting a terrorist organisation and get away with an apology. So to can Wayne Hennessy who was photographed doing a Nazi salute whilst being a professional footballer. Yet Hamza gets formally charged for mocking his own skin colour and having a cheeky dig at women’s football? This screams of ****ing racism. Political Correctness Rules!
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