leicsmac Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49141521 Yes, it's "just another thing being said on Twitter", but it also concerns actual administration policy and how Trump likes to respond to criticism of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 A 'Boris Bounce' in the latest polls +7, +6, +10, +3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 On 27/07/2019 at 00:17, lifted*fox said: DEMOCRACY! What a cretin!.. Deluded brexiteers keep spouting on about respect the democratic vote of 2016, we voted to leave so leave means leave.. Well how about respecting my democratic vote to remain in 1975?.. I haven't changed my mind. 67% voted to be part of the EU.. The argument maybe that things have changed since 1975, perhaps yes.. But that same argument could be said about things changing dramatically in the last 3 years too. Brexit was a protest vote nothing more nothing less, if you voted leave please explain what you were voting for in 2016?.. Be honest with yourselves, were you told the truth? Johnson and Farage lied, the campaign was fraudulent and illegal and still leave only scraped though by a tiny margin. Now the people know the true horrors of what Brexit will do to our economy and our children and Grandchildren's futures let's have a deciding vote.. It's 1-1 (1975 and 2016).. I'm pretty convinced Remain would win by a landslide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathrow fox Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 1 hour ago, weller54 said: What a cretin!.. Deluded brexiteers keep spouting on about respect the democratic vote of 2016, we voted to leave so leave means leave.. Well how about respecting my democratic vote to remain in 1975?.. I haven't changed my mind. 67% voted to be part of the EU.. The argument maybe that things have changed since 1975, perhaps yes.. But that same argument could be said about things changing dramatically in the last 3 years too. Brexit was a protest vote nothing more nothing less, if you voted leave please explain what you were voting for in 2016?.. Be honest with yourselves, were you told the truth? Johnson and Farage lied, the campaign was fraudulent and illegal and still leave only scraped though by a tiny margin. Now the people know the true horrors of what Brexit will do to our economy and our children and Grandchildren's futures let's have a deciding vote.. It's 1-1 (1975 and 2016).. I'm pretty convinced Remain would win by a landslide. The difference is that the first referendum was implemented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 2 hours ago, weller54 said: What a cretin!.. Deluded brexiteers keep spouting on about respect the democratic vote of 2016, we voted to leave so leave means leave.. Well how about respecting my democratic vote to remain in 1975?.. I haven't changed my mind. 67% voted to be part of the EU.. The argument maybe that things have changed since 1975, perhaps yes.. But that same argument could be said about things changing dramatically in the last 3 years too. Brexit was a protest vote nothing more nothing less, if you voted leave please explain what you were voting for in 2016?.. Be honest with yourselves, were you told the truth? Johnson and Farage lied, the campaign was fraudulent and illegal and still leave only scraped though by a tiny margin. Now the people know the true horrors of what Brexit will do to our economy and our children and Grandchildren's futures let's have a deciding vote.. It's 1-1 (1975 and 2016).. I'm pretty convinced Remain would win by a landslide. Ted Heath lied during that referendum to stay in. The fundamental problem with referendums is that politicians lie so the public, whichever side they vote for are essentially voting blind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said: The difference is that the first referendum was implemented And that referendum was sold to us on lies and misinformation as well. Edit: Oops, Davie beat me to it Edited 28 July 2019 by Parafox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 Goodness how much money and time has been taken/spent over these 3 years and still we aren't certain of leaving or staying - and with or without a deal. I suppose it is something that they appear to be preparing for the latter but as we know things change very quickly! And then there will be the aftermath and fall out to deal with once its over.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, weller54 said: Well how about respecting my democratic vote to remain in 1975?.. I haven't changed my mind. 67% voted to be part of the EU... This isn't technically correct. The 1975 referendum was about membership of the EEC, the Common Market. It was about economic union, unlike the EU, which is a political union as well as an economic one. Edited 28 July 2019 by SouthStandUpperTier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 2 minutes ago, Parafox said: And that referendum was sold to us on lies and misinformation as well. Edit: Oops, Davie beat me to it OK.. So let's have a decider. Surely we all know so much more information now and even if we leave with Buffoon Boris's no deal scenario on October 31st it doesn't end there... That's the start of years and years of arguing about trading terms, economic uncertainty etc etc.. It will be endless and so disruptive for our country. My generation isn't going to feel the fallout of the chaos, yet its my generation (50-65 year olds) who voted in their hoards to leave. The pathetic views .. 'Yeah we're Great Britain, we don't need the EU.. Brittania rules the waves you know!!'.. We were OK before joining, and we'll be OK without them!!... Well, how about thinking about the younger generation?.. Most of my generation have done pretty well since being part of the EU.. Own our own homes, got decent pensions.. Most I know have expensive cars and go on cruises, have a holiday home etc yet they are prepared to play Russian Roulette with their kids and grandkids future on some whim that we'll be better off on our own. Selfish... Because they have nothing to lose. But their kids and grandkids have everything to lose! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 9 minutes ago, Super_horns said: Goodness how much money and time has been taken/spent over these 3 years and still we aren't certain of leaving or staying - and with or without a deal. I suppose it is something that they appear to be preparing for the latter but as we know things change very quickly! And then there will be the aftermath and fall out to deal with once its over.. Absolutely.. All this crap about saving 39b by leaving!!.. That figure will be dwarfed by the amount of damage caused by leaving without a deal.. Hundreds of Billions!... That means LESS money for the NHS not the extra 350m a week we were promised by Johnson and Farage!... Jesus, we now have one of those cretins as our PM! and the other jumping off the Ukip bandwagon and onto the so called Brexit Party for his own financial gain.. Absolutely nothing to do with our Country's interests... We are living in extremely dangerous times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 I think there are two possibilities. First, that Boris sees Brexit as a means to an end and thinks if / when it is delayed or thwarted he can sell himself as the defender of British citizens against the bullying EU and traitorous remainer MPs. The second possibility, slightly scarier, is that the government now actively wants a no deal Brexit, which means they are willing to accept severe economic pain and the breakup of the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSi13 Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 1 minute ago, bovril said: I think there are two possibilities. First, that Boris sees Brexit as a means to an end and thinks if / when it is delayed or thwarted he can sell himself as the defender of British citizens against the bullying EU and traitorous remainer MPs. The second possibility, slightly scarier, is that the government now actively wants a no deal Brexit, which means they are willing to accept severe economic pain and the breakup of the UK. Or three, the government doesn't want no deal, but accepts it has to happen if the EU remains unwilling to reopen negotiations to remove the Irish backstop which is the expressed will of the House of Commons (Brady Amendment). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49141375 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dames Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 16 minutes ago, bovril said: I think there are two possibilities. First, that Boris sees Brexit as a means to an end and thinks if / when it is delayed or thwarted he can sell himself as the defender of British citizens against the bullying EU and traitorous remainer MPs. The second possibility, slightly scarier, is that the government now actively wants a no deal Brexit, which means they are willing to accept severe economic pain and the breakup of the UK. The Conservative Party have been so scared of Farage for the past 4/5 years they will be desperate to keep their voters away from him. They will now be pursuing No Deal as a first choice as they will do absolutely anything to keep in power and keep voters away from the Brexit party as they see that as the true threat and not a Corbyn led opposition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kopfkino Posted 28 July 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 28 July 2019 17 minutes ago, bovril said: I think there are two possibilities. First, that Boris sees Brexit as a means to an end and thinks if / when it is delayed or thwarted he can sell himself as the defender of British citizens against the bullying EU and traitorous remainer MPs. The second possibility, slightly scarier, is that the government now actively wants a no deal Brexit, which means they are willing to accept severe economic pain and the breakup of the UK. Well the worry with the first is what is the plan when that happens? I think it's likely the plan is to get parliament to block and go back to the people with a divisive tell them again strategy. But unless the plan is to revert to a Ni-only backstop without the DUP being able to block then surely we're no further forward. Problem is a significant enough portion of the population and politicians expect the EU to serve the needs of the UK rather than the EU and think that talking at them about proposals with no detail is negotiating and that isn't going change without a change of party in government. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 Bit of a mess this Brexit thing innit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanya Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 35 minutes ago, bovril said: Bit of a mess this Brexit thing innit. I'm an Aussie and the whole thing seems crazy. On one hand it would be strange to be subject to laws not drafted by your own parliament, and I can understand unease about the free migration thing, but the economic ramifications of leaving the EU without a deal would be huge? ill be in London on deadline, I'm curious about how the public will grapple with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 Should have just agreed TMs deal and got on with it really 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UpTheLeagueFox Posted 28 July 2019 Popular Post Share Posted 28 July 2019 22 minutes ago, Izzy said: Should have just agreed TMs deal and got on with it really Should 'no deal' happen, remainer MPs will be wishing they'd taken this option. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynard Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 2 hours ago, davieG said: Ted Heath lied during that referendum to stay in. The fundamental problem with referendums is that politicians lie so the public, whichever side they vote for are essentially voting blind. Actualy the fundamental problem with referendums is that the public get a vote. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 (edited) Well I for one think Boris has started off ok Edited 28 July 2019 by Leicester_Loyal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 30 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Well I for one think Boris has started off ok If you mean he hasn't made a complete twat of himself yet, then you may be right. That's setting the bar pretty low, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 Just now, Buce said: If you mean he hasn't made a complete twat of himself yet, then you may be right. That's setting the bar pretty low, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 Just now, Buce said: If you mean he hasn't made a complete twat of himself yet, then you may be right. That's setting the bar pretty low, though. I thought he made a right twat of himself with all that DUDE stuff in his acceptance speech. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 (edited) On 27/07/2019 at 00:17, lifted*fox said: DEMOCRACY! Clever stuff isn’t it. I bet the remain campaign team wish they had thought of this first. Seriously though, this is the present of campaigning and in fact all forms of advertising; to somehow make out this is lying or cheating is bullshit. Edited 28 July 2019 by Jon the Hat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechey Posted 28 July 2019 Share Posted 28 July 2019 12 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Clever stuff isn’t it. I bet the remain campaign team wish they had thought of this first. Seriously though, this is the present of campaigning and in fact all forms of advertising; to somehow make out this is lying or cheating is bullshit. People shouting bloody murder at people using machine learning and high level data science is genuinely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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