Tielemans

[ARTY_FOX]

He wasn't even the worst of the 2 central midfielders. Both centre mids have been pretty poor in the last 2 games. Dunno what people expect of him. Guys young and class and it's still not enough 

[HankMarvin]

Like he had lead boots on yesterday

[Clever Fox]

There's no doubt there's something not quite right with him.He is a quality player whether it's too many games or something else.?

I just wonder, Is he worrying about anything. Could he be carrying a sickness or some kind of blood disorder. It's just hard to understand his demise from last season.

Currently I think it's time Praet is given a run until the club can find out what might be the problem.

 

I certainly wouldn't give up on him though,

[Ric Flair]

Fcukin scandalous this is, we are 2nd in the league and yet there's about 3 hot topics with players in our team who are supposedly not pulling their weight. Absolutely wild.

[Bossman Blessed It]

4 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

There's no doubt there's something not quite right with him.He is a quality player whether it's too many games or something else.?

I just wonder, Is he worrying about anything. Could he be carrying a sickness or some kind of blood disorder. It's just hard to understand his demise from last season.

Currently I think it's time Praet is given a run until the club can find out what might be the problem.

 

I certainly wouldn't give up on him though,

 

I dread to think what kind of ailment you diagnosed Elvis Hammond with. He's off form, perhaps partly due to a much higher demand on him to press which he didn't have to do as much when Rodgers first came in.

[Clever Fox]

2 minutes ago, Bossman Blessed It said:

 

I dread to think what kind of ailment you diagnosed Elvis Hammond with. He's off form, perhaps partly due to a much higher demand on him to press which he didn't have to do as much when Rodgers first came in.

Lets hope you are right and it's nothing. But after a lifetime in the game I have seen these situations before, where after medical tests were carried out by Clubs.

Players were suffering from Stress to serious conditions.

 

Lets hope it's nothing and it is only a lack of form.

 

[weller54]

27 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Fcukin scandalous this is, we are 2nd in the league and yet there's about 3 hot topics with players in our team who are supposedly not pulling their weight. Absolutely wild.

It's not as simple as Youri just not pulling his weight though is it?

..He looked absolute class when here on loan... right now (and for pretty much most of this season) he's looked a shadow of the player he was then.

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, weller54 said:

It's not as simple as Youri just not pulling his weight though is it?

..He looked absolute class when here on loan... right now (and for pretty much most of this season) he's looked a shadow of the player he was then.

I don't think that's completely true, for example from the Spurs home game through to the Arsenal game he was brilliant again. The issue is he has stopped hitting 8s or 9s out of 10 every game and now fans are looking in to a problem that isn't there. He's still doing well.

[Nicolo Barella]

24 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I don't think that's completely true, for example from the Spurs home game through to the Arsenal game he was brilliant again. The issue is he has stopped hitting 8s or 9s out of 10 every game and now fans are looking in to a problem that isn't there. He's still doing well.

That's absolutely true, but I think fans are also trying to suss out his true level after this inconsistency, not just looking at him as a "problem". Because obviously if we are judging him on his loan spell, even though he was somewhat anonymous in the few big games we played last season whilst he was here, he's been comparatively pants this season, having only been switched on for 7/8 games so far maybe. So how good is he, really? I think that's more of a valid question to ask than "Hur dur are we carrying Barnes".

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Fcukin scandalous this is, we are 2nd in the league and yet there's about 3 hot topics with players in our team who are supposedly not pulling their weight. Absolutely wild.

because we lost at the etihad, and that’s unacceptable  

 

Its like I’ve been saying, far too many on here thinking we were in the title race and realisation is starting to set In that we still have a lot to do to even qualify for the Champions League. This leads to frustration a disconnection from reality and over the top Criticism of players who are the reason we are in the great position we are. 
 

It’ll probably get worse unless we can upset the apple cart against Liverpool.

[Mikw]

14 hours ago, TheLittleBigMan said:

Bugger that, more of this guy please..

 

The stereotype of a Sunday Pub Footballer!

[Lizhang]

Before he signed, i told you guys he wasn't the finished article yet. That he can still be very inconsistent and that any fear of him signing for a club like Man City (because Pep hugged him) was unfounded, since he knows just as well as the Man City scouts, that he is not ready for a role in a club like that, unless as 4th in the pecking order perhaps. He isn't (and never has been) a drop in replacement for a guy like De Bruyne (who imho is currently too good for a club like Man City). Youri is still far off of that level. He knew this, and he realized playing for Leicester was the best option for him, as it was probably the best option for a club with potential and ambition on one hand, and on the other, where he could actually play instead of being on the bench. That's why for me it made too much sense for him not to sign for Leicester. In a noticeably bigger club (with more money) he would not be the main man and not be able to play all the time (which he needs to improve). He chose the best team that would start him. I think it was that simple.

 

On the other hand, i don't think it's fair to expect him to be a worldbeater all of a sudden. Leicester (supporters) should have expected him to have lesser spells. He's 22, he didn't play for a long time at his previous club, and often athletes (not just footballers) get a drop in form months after their reappearance. He also lacks that experience, knowing his own body and how to cope mentally with a setback or looking for answers when things aren't going the way they should. He's still young and basically wasted a year of his development in France.

Also, he has one of the most decisive roles on the squad, if he really were not good enough or "off form" since the start of the season, do you really think you'd be second in the league? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but maybe you need a reality check if you do. Maybe if he had been good, you would be 10 points ahead of Liverpool? I think expectations are off. He's a class player, but he's 22, is still less than a full year in the Premier League. If you wanted De Bruyne, you needed to pay a bit more than what you paid for Youri.

[Leicester_Loyal]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I don't think that's completely true, for example from the Spurs home game through to the Arsenal game he was brilliant again. The issue is he has stopped hitting 8s or 9s out of 10 every game and now fans are looking in to a problem that isn't there. He's still doing well.

 

5 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

because we lost at the etihad, and that’s unacceptable  

 

Its like I’ve been saying, far too many on here thinking we were in the title race and realisation is starting to set In that we still have a lot to do to even qualify for the Champions League. This leads to frustration a disconnection from reality and over the top Criticism of players who are the reason we are in the great position we are. 
 

It’ll probably get worse unless we can upset the apple cart against Liverpool.

Mental isn't it?! Before the season started I think the majority of us would be took 6th place, so to even be anywhere near the top is ridiculous. If we get top 4 we've easily outdone expectations.

[Nod.E]

8 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

because we lost at the etihad, and that’s unacceptable  

 

Its like I’ve been saying, far too many on here thinking we were in the title race and realisation is starting to set In that we still have a lot to do to even qualify for the Champions League. This leads to frustration a disconnection from reality and over the top Criticism of players who are the reason we are in the great position we are. 
 

It’ll probably get worse unless we can upset the apple cart against Liverpool.

You're probably right.

 

However, and I've said it a lot on here already, he DOES look like he's blowing. That's an observation that I made when we were still winning.

[Manwell Pablo]

4 hours ago, Nod.E said:

You're probably right.

 

However, and I've said it a lot on here already, he DOES look like he's blowing. That's an observation that I made when we were still winning.

 

I mean that's a fair opinion, it's more some of the other bonkers shit I have to read on here or listen to people come out predominately aimed the likes of Chillwell and Barnes.

[NaijaFox]

On 22/12/2019 at 19:30, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

Mental isn't it?! Before the season started I think the majority of us would be took 6th place, so to even be anywhere near the top is ridiculous. If we get top 4 we've easily outdone expectations.

And NONE o thought we would have won it all in 15/16, but once in front if we ended up not winning we would have all been massively disappointed.

 

Expectations (much like life itself) evolves with changing conditions. Yes, Top 6 was our pre-season expectation (perhaps even 'hope' would be the more appropriate term), but after the start we have made to the season if we fail to finish in the Top 4, I for one would be one of those "mental" delusionists who would be massively disappointed.

 

Being realistic is fine and dandy, but folks should please quit acting as the children of a lesser god. A seminal life lesson is that those who think small usually end up small. Fortunate that the ownership seems more ambitious than many in the fanbase (perhaps not weighed down by the small-club mentality cultivated from a life-long experience of provincialism).

 

We have all the ingredients for achieving GREAT things (ownership, financial comfort, playing talent, coaching, future plans, etc.). Sadly, it seems many lack the ambition to match.     

[NaijaFox]

On 22/12/2019 at 19:03, Lizhang said:

Before he signed, i told you guys he wasn't the finished article yet. That he can still be very inconsistent and that any fear of him signing for a club like Man City (because Pep hugged him) was unfounded, since he knows just as well as the Man City scouts, that he is not ready for a role in a club like that, unless as 4th in the pecking order perhaps. He isn't (and never has been) a drop in replacement for a guy like De Bruyne (who imho is currently too good for a club like Man City). Youri is still far off of that level. He knew this, and he realized playing for Leicester was the best option for him, as it was probably the best option for a club with potential and ambition on one hand, and on the other, where he could actually play instead of being on the bench. That's why for me it made too much sense for him not to sign for Leicester. In a noticeably bigger club (with more money) he would not be the main man and not be able to play all the time (which he needs to improve). He chose the best team that would start him. I think it was that simple.

 

On the other hand, i don't think it's fair to expect him to be a worldbeater all of a sudden. Leicester (supporters) should have expected him to have lesser spells. He's 22, he didn't play for a long time at his previous club, and often athletes (not just footballers) get a drop in form months after their reappearance. He also lacks that experience, knowing his own body and how to cope mentally with a setback or looking for answers when things aren't going the way they should. He's still young and basically wasted a year of his development in France.

Also, he has one of the most decisive roles on the squad, if he really were not good enough or "off form" since the start of the season, do you really think you'd be second in the league? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but maybe you need a reality check if you do. Maybe if he had been good, you would be 10 points ahead of Liverpool? I think expectations are off. He's a class player, but he's 22, is still less than a full year in the Premier League. If you wanted De Bruyne, you needed to pay a bit more than what you paid for Youri.

Fair play to you if you warned about Tielemans inconsistency (personally did not read that), but not with the substantively patronizing BS. The lecture (in the latter part of your post) was totally uncalled for.

 

We bought Youri on the back of his performances on loan last season. At no point during his loan spell could I recall anyone comparing him to De Bruyne, and thus your faux comparison is a Strawman's Argument. Nonetheless, we were expecting pretty much the same performances as during his loan.  Accordingly, to the extent that he has failed to consistently hit those heights (personally I don't think he's hit them more than in a couple of games, but would readily concede that's probably the minority opinion), we are well within reason to ponder why. Perhaps, it's just as simple as the surrounding cast having gotten better.

[NaijaFox]

On 22/12/2019 at 12:52, Ric Flair said:

Fcukin scandalous this is, we are 2nd in the league and yet there's about 3 hot topics with players in our team who are supposedly not pulling their weight. Absolutely wild.

Both things are not inherently or necessarily mutually-exclusive. 

 

There could be little rational debate that someone like Ayooze Perez has failed more often than not to put up the level of performance or hit the sort of form expected of someone with his price tag, but we're still 2d on the log. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

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Edited 24 December 2019 by NaijaFox

[Nod.E]

8 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

Both things are not inherently or necessarily mutually-exclusive. 

 

There could be little rational debate that someone like Ayooze Perez has failed more often than not to put up the level of performance or hit the sort of form expected of someone with his price tag, but we're still 2d on the log. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

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Agree.

 

The same is true on the other side of the coin.

 

When our league position isn't what we want it to be, posters that highlight positives, good team performances or runs of form from particular players are branded 'happy clappers'.

 

I know football is a results business but an ounce of nuance wouldn't go amiss. You'd hope to get that on a forum built for debate.

 

I won't hold my breath!  

 

I will however caveat that over the top negativity is a little misplaced given our form! But that doesn't mean we shouldn't raise concerns about particular players.

Edited 24 December 2019 by Nod.E

[CityIsBlue]

13 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

And NONE o thought we would have won it all in 15/16, but once in front if we ended up not winning we would have all been massively disappointed.

 

Expectations (much like life itself) evolves with changing conditions. Yes, Top 6 was our pre-season expectation (perhaps even 'hope' would be the more appropriate term), but after the start we have made to the season if we fail to finish in the Top 4, I for one would be one of those "mental" delusionists who would be massively disappointed.

 

Being realistic is fine and dandy, but folks should please quit acting as the children of a lesser god. A seminal life lesson is that those who think small usually end up small. Fortunate that the ownership seems more ambitious than many in the fanbase (perhaps not weighed down by the small-club mentality cultivated from a life-long experience of provincialism).

 

We have all the ingredients for achieving GREAT things (ownership, financial comfort, playing talent, coaching, future plans, etc.). Sadly, it seems many lack the ambition to match.     

 

You defeat your own argument there though.

The 'Traditional Top 6 have most of that too.....And i'd argue all have it in greater volume.

Look at the two of the six who are most struggling right now, Manchester United and Spurs. One is announcing record revenue once again, whilst the other has just moved into the (arguable) best ground in the league and signed one of the games greatest managers in Mourinho (Does he still have it? Well that is a different debate).

The 'Bigger' clubs still have huge ambition. Sure, we may have ambitions of winning lot.....But these clubs do too.

 

Although many still hate to admit it, the poor state of other sides contributed massively to us winning the league the year we did.

If Liverpool/Man City of last season were present during that year, we would not have won it.

That fact should not diminish from the fact we won it at all....But it is still a fact.

 

Man City have the 'ambition' to win every competition, every year, do they? No.

Do they sack their manager every year when it doesn't happen? No.

 

That's where ambition meets realism.

[Col city fan]

The Man City game isn’t a yardstick tbh because it was so one-sided

I do wonder however whether Tielemans not going to a ‘really big’ club is possibly about him not taking control of games enough?

When we are dominating possession he’s lovely to watch. Given time, he’ll destroy defences

BUT put him under pressure and you see a different player. His composure, his passing go astray. He’s got years ahead of him but to become really good he needs to be able to play under pressure.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

He's class. Just not always awesome. We are a better team for his presence.

[l444ry]

On 22/12/2019 at 18:52, Ric Flair said:

Fcukin scandalous this is, we are 2nd in the league and yet there's about 3 hot topics with players in our team who are supposedly not pulling their weight. Absolutely wild.

Just you wait until we lose two games on the trot. You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Dr The Singh]

I think he is a natural tubby and fails to control his wait.  He needed a real thorough pre season.....this is one to watch for me

[Chrysalis]

On 22/12/2019 at 18:52, Ric Flair said:

Fcukin scandalous this is, we are 2nd in the league and yet there's about 3 hot topics with players in our team who are supposedly not pulling their weight. Absolutely wild.

 

I may not agree with all those threads, but been second in the league doesnt exempt the team or individual players from criticism.  People are free to say what they want, its a free country and the forum is here to debate stuff.  There is always room for improvement in "any" team.