Demarai Gray

[Foxxed]

12 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Saw Chilwell on Soccer AM saying he gets the most fines. That’s the frustrating thing about him: has all the attributes but just can’t apply himself.

 

Quite clear that the problem isn’t in his feet but in between the ears and unfortunately you can’t train that.

If only we had some kind of reputation for sports psychology

[LC/FC]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

If only we had some kind of reputation for sports psychology

We had that one guy, Ken Way? 

Then Ranieri got rid of him. 

Did we ever get a replacement? 

[UniFox21]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

If only we had some kind of reputation for sports psychology

I don't think it's solely due to his psychology. 

 

Football these days takes all maturity and responsibility away from players off the field. That surely stops players 'growing up' and could impact their development on it? 

[brucey]

57 minutes ago, BrokenRecord said:

Chilwell was on soccer am saying that since riyad left, Gray has had the most fines for turning up late to training. Explains a lot, if he can't be arsed to get himself to work on time then there'll be no work for him because unfortunately he's not anywhere near as naturally talented as Mahrez was. 

 

It's alright moaning about not being given chances, but when they're given you've gotta take them with both hands. I'm sure he will work his way into Rodgers' plans again, but he's gotta work twice as hard to stay in those plans. 

He just said Gray had the most fines, didn’t specify that it was for lateness. Could have been for repeatedly leaving his boots in the wrong place for all we know.

[CyprusFox]

4 minutes ago, brucey said:

He just said Gray had the most fines, didn’t specify that it was for lateness. Could have been for repeatedly leaving his boots in the wrong place for all we know.

Don't care what the fines are for. In his position he should be getting his head down and concentrating on doing whatever he needs to do to get himself back in Brendans first team plans. Being top of any fines list tells me that he either can't be arsed or is just a complete knobhead 

[Jimmy]

1 minute ago, CyprusFox said:

Don't care what the fines are for. In his position he should be getting his head down and concentrating on doing whatever he needs to do to get himself back in Brendans first team plans. Being top of any fines list tells me that he either can't be arsed or is just a complete knobhead 

if he's had 3 fine and everyone else had 1 he'd be top but wouldn't have had that many, truth is none of us know why or how often he has been fined yet some of you couldn't wait to have a dig about it, its pathetic

[shailen]

People can correlate fines with a lack of discipline.

 

But I didn't hear people saying that when mahrez was here.

 

Everyone is looking for an easy answer to why Gray has not performed. I think it's more to do with confidence. He's very much in need of a Pep type figure as to how to improve his game and he will get there with some extra coaching.

 

[LC/FC]

1 hour ago, shailen said:

People can correlate fines with a lack of discipline.

 

But I didn't hear people saying that when mahrez was here.

 

Everyone is looking for an easy answer to why Gray has not performed. I think it's more to do with confidence. He's very much in need of a Pep type figure as to how to improve his game and he will get there with some extra coaching.

 

Actually being a World class player has its bonuses.

We weren't on Mahrez's back, because he produced it on the pitch. Time and time again. 

If Gray could produce on the pitch as well as Riyad, he would also get a pass from us.

The whole needing a Pep figure is a misdirection. Riyad was already showing the World how capable he was before he joined Pep at Man City. That's why they wanted him. 

So unless Gray shows off being the same calibre of player Mahrez is... He won't be afforded the same tolerance because he hasn't earned it. 

[shailen]

2 hours ago, LC/FC said:

Actually being a World class player has its bonuses.

We weren't on Mahrez's back, because he produced it on the pitch. Time and time again. 

If Gray could produce on the pitch as well as Riyad, he would also get a pass from us.

The whole needing a Pep figure is a misdirection. Riyad was already showing the World how capable he was before he joined Pep at Man City. That's why they wanted him. 

So unless Gray shows off being the same calibre of player Mahrez is... He won't be afforded the same tolerance because he hasn't earned it. 

Yeah but my point is no one can say Gray has a bad attitude from a few fines if the same doesn't apply to other players including mahrez when he was here.

 

I'm not saying no one question Grays performances which haven't been up to standard. But to say effectively that he's not performing due to his attitude is a bit shortsighted imo based on the fines. 

 

The pep reference was to do with sterling. Gray reminds me a lot of Sterling from a few seasons ago. He gets into a lot of good positions and either does too much or is very rash. A lot more composure in the final third would transform him.

 

[fuchsntf]

7 hours ago, LC/FC said:

We had that one guy, Ken Way? 

Then Ranieri got rid of him. 

Did we ever get a replacement? 

Ranieri , dumped the whole idea..!!!  Went vor the 1960s Italian method...He destroyed every Good Thing Pearson built up,from Backroom-staff support!!

Edited 17 August 2019 by fuchsntf

[Guest SO1]

Good Luck Demarai. No regrets. Give it everything you have.

[Clever Fox]

2 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Ranieri , dumped the whole idea..!!!  Went vor the 1960s Italian method...He destroyed every Good Thing Pearson built up,from Backroom-staff support!!

The Club were so stupid to allow that to happen. There's certain things the Club should control outside of the Managers influence.

The whole Sports Science area is probably the main one. Psychology also is such a big part of modern Sport now.

 

In short the backroom team should function independently  preparing players and reports for the Manager. Then the Manager should Manage.

We need to recreate it when the new Training facility is ready.

[Jonaldinho]

With his contract up in 2021 this is very much the make or break season for him at LCFC. Either he produces the goods now and earns a new contract or he has to be sold at the end of the season so we can get some money for him.

 

For a winger who consistently gets into good positions, 8 goals and 6 assists in over 100 games is ridiculous. 

 

 

[NasPb]

I'd sell him and keep diabate 

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

The Club were so stupid to allow that to happen. There's certain things the Club should control outside of the Managers influence.

The whole Sports Science area is probably the main one. Psychology also is such a big part of modern Sport now.

 

In short the backroom team should function independently  preparing players and reports for the Manager. Then the Manager should Manage.

We need to recreate it when the new Training facility is ready.

Ranieri also won the Premiership. Our demise was hardly down to the lack of a sports psychiatrist and neither was our win. These things can I grant you can make a decent contributory factor with some players but some don't need them. We of course don't know the reason why ours was dismissed or even whether it was entirely on Ranieri's say so. There are large presumptions and lack of knowledge on the issue. We're on our third manager since yet no employment of another one, why is that, not down to Ranieri is it. Probably there was a problem with ours, probably our club felt they have no desire to employ another and possibly preceding managers don't see the need through personal experience. Possibly some people buy into these things without the full knowledge of how they are perceived by players and staff. Whilst there are no doubt many out there, probably there are not many good one's that players will respect or engage with. 

[Al-aLondon-Foxile]

13 hours ago, Jimmy said:

if he's had 3 fine and everyone else had 1 he'd be top but wouldn't have had that many, truth is none of us know why or how often he has been fined yet some of you couldn't wait to have a dig about it, its pathetic

I saw the clip, Chilwell said it was a lot of money, “deposit for a house” type of money. 

[Jimmy]

6 hours ago, Al-aLondon-Foxile said:

I saw the clip, Chilwell said it was a lot of money, “deposit for a house” type of money. 

they are paid a lot of money, that could be 1 or 2 weeks wages

[ALC Fox]

22 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Saw Chilwell on Soccer AM saying he gets the most fines. That’s the frustrating thing about him: has all the attributes but just can’t apply himself.

 

Quite clear that the problem isn’t in his feet but in between the ears and unfortunately you can’t train that.

Remember this...

 

 

[Wymsey]

Barnes has more potential than him.

[tetly]

Got to improve to get back in the squad. Brendan is sending a good message to him because his stats are poor.

[Tuna]

He'll probably get the Newcastle game to try and impress.

[fuchsntf]

10 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Ranieri also won the Premiership. Our demise was hardly down to the lack of a sports psychiatrist and neither was our win. These things can I grant you can make a decent contributory factor with some players but some don't need them. We of course don't know the reason why ours was dismissed or even whether it was entirely on Ranieri's say so. There are large presumptions and lack of knowledge on the issue. We're on our third manager since yet no employment of another one, why is that, not down to Ranieri is it. Probably there was a problem with ours, probably our club felt they have no desire to employ another and possibly preceding managers don't see the need through personal experience. Possibly some people buy into these things without the full knowledge of how they are perceived by players and staff. Whilst there are no doubt many out there, probably there are not many good one's that players will respect or engage with. 

I would normally tend to agree, but it was actually Ranieri,who started in which tact,he Wanted to go after the Title.Was stated that he prefers his own Teams methods,and would not need the then present Team-support staff,structure nor their ideology....

.Sorry I cant at present find The Report &statement...

There were some utterings of fine but important changes in other topics on this forum,but after the title win,

it kept under the table because of the euphoria...I suppose.....

No assumption on the fact of changes taken and the initiator...he had the title ,who at the Club would argue...!!!

Edited 18 August 2019 by fuchsntf

[Clever Fox]

On 18/08/2019 at 06:16, volpeazzurro said:

Ranieri also won the Premiership. Our demise was hardly down to the lack of a sports psychiatrist and neither was our win. These things can I grant you can make a decent contributory factor with some players but some don't need them. We of course don't know the reason why ours was dismissed or even whether it was entirely on Ranieri's say so. There are large presumptions and lack of knowledge on the issue. We're on our third manager since yet no employment of another one, why is that, not down to Ranieri is it. Probably there was a problem with ours, probably our club felt they have no desire to employ another and possibly preceding managers don't see the need through personal experience. Possibly some people buy into these things without the full knowledge of how they are perceived by players and staff. Whilst there are no doubt many out there, probably there are not many good one's that players will respect or engage with. 

The Sports science Dept was set up by Pearson and he also won the League 1 and Championship titles. then Ranieri won the Premiership and many would argue with Pearson's team. Was that down to the Sports Science alone, Of course not there's more too it than that. But one thing I am certain of it did make a difference.

The main point is that the Sports science worked and had proved itself by the Clubs success. So much so that other Clubs were studying our methods and copying during that period. Why?. Because anything that gives you an edge over the opposition is worth doing.

 

It's not too long ago when Managers ran players up and down Sand Dunes and Stadium steps in an attempt to improve fitness. Thankfully we've moved beyond that now. Where Players are targeted individually and measured within the group.

 

Then Ranieri made some statement that he didn't believe in it and preferred his own methods.. I suspect he had some support from a certain person at the Club who didn't see eye to eye with Pearson and so was only to happy to go along with and support Ranieri.   Well,we know now how that season worked out and since then.

I wouldn't expect Ranieri to understand Sports Science, He's from a different era. You have to remember though the Sports Science people are professional people and specialist in their own areas of expertise. They're College Educated and have the records to support their work.

The Sports Science dept should be outside the remit of the Manager but obviously have a working relationship with him. That way there are certain standards that are a constant and maintained. Regardless of who the Manager is.

 

This must be re established and based in the new Training facility if we are to continue our progress.

 

 

 

 

 

[Swiss_tony]

He nearly got his head chopped off by a helicopter blade, we know he's not the sharpest knife in the draw.

[MC Prussian]

With Rodgers using more central attacking midfielders and less wingers on a regular basis, his opportunities will likely to be limited, anyway.

 

I don't see Rodgers changing much about this 4-2-3-1 in the near future.

 

So, either Gray accepts a bench role (coming on if more width is needed), or he leaves on loan to get the match practice that he deserves.

There's a good player in there, we just haven't seen that much of it lately.

Edited 19 August 2019 by MC Prussian