Demarai Gray

[Leeds Fox]

I completely understand the protests (I don’t understand the violence towards British police but that’s another matter). 
 

Someone going into a place packed with people at a time like this is a bad idea regardless of the reasons for it. Especially when they know they can’t distance from their colleagues the next day. It’s nothing to do with being a footballer, doing it in any profession is irresponsible. The players/staff he trains alongside are now exposed. They’re young, fit and should cope with the virus, but will their families? It’s an unnecessary risk to take with others in mind. If Gray feels like it’s worth the risk then absolutely fair play, but he shouldn’t be going training tomorrow or for however long is necessary. Not because a football game might get cancelled, but because he is putting everyone else at risk.

[Sly]

On 07/05/2020 at 17:30, volpeazzurro said:

Not heard that myself but it's shameful if it's happened. Fans have to accept that players have ambitions and if certain opportunities arise that are financially better and perceived to be helping them to progress, we shouldn't really blame them, I'd do the same.

 

There is however a right and wrong way of doing things. For me, I still watch his career and wish the best for him. I think he's now ready for another step up personally. I remember him coming back for I think it was a European match and waving to the crowd from a box. He has my full blessing, seemingly a very humble class act in every way. 

Kante turned up to watch us play Burton in the league cup! What’s not to like about him. He’s brilliant. 

[Sly]

I fully understand the protest and support the reasoning behind them. I still can’t get my head around, why the world discriminated against people due to the difference in skin colour. Don’t even get me started on disabilities, hair colour, gender etc! People just need to stop being Neanderthals, or neutralised if they do it. 
 

The media have spun this to make it about the police, rather than the individuals involved. That needs addressing. 
 

However, like all things, when we’re trying to curb a global pandemic, I personally find it a little irresponsible, if he’s then back to training.
 

I personally, would make him self isolate for 7 days. 

[brucey]

Here’s a relevant Twitter thread with some estimations of the impact of protests on Covid spread In the US. The numbers quoted do seem fair. The impact in the UK will be much lower than in the US due to various reasons, but some sort of impact is still likely.

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1269395225228664832.html
 

Edited 7 June 2020 by brucey

[NaijaFox]

23 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

I completely understand the protests (I don’t understand the violence towards British police but that’s another matter). 
 

Someone going into a place packed with people at a time like this is a bad idea regardless of the reasons for it. Especially when they know they can’t distance from their colleagues the next day. It’s nothing to do with being a footballer, doing it in any profession is irresponsible. The players/staff he trains alongside are now exposed. They’re young, fit and should cope with the virus, but will their families? It’s an unnecessary risk to take with others in mind. If Gray feels like it’s worth the risk then absolutely fair play, but he shouldn’t be going training tomorrow or for however long is necessary. Not because a football game might get cancelled, but because he is putting everyone else at risk.

Totally unnecessary dog whistle.

 

Given the issues at stake, a period of self-isolation or even a testing is well worth it. He's a black person first before a footballer, and (as the saying goes) there but for the grace of..." 

[deep blue]

11 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

Totally unnecessary dog whistle.

 

Given the issues at stake, a period of self-isolation or even a testing is well worth it. He's a black person first before a footballer, and (as the saying goes) there but for the grace of..." 

Didn't Gray play yesterday? Hope that doesn't come back to bite us.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Not improved one jot since we bought him. No more chances, get rid this summer and get a fee for him while he's still young.

[Leeds Fox]

13 hours ago, NaijaFox said:

Totally unnecessary dog whistle.

 

Given the issues at stake, a period of self-isolation or even a testing is well worth it. He's a black person first before a footballer, and (as the saying goes) there but for the grace of..." 

Right, what on Earth are we starting this for? I said it’s a matter I’m not going into. I don’t agree with it but I’m not involved, I’m not a copper either so I don’t need to be bothered. 
 

Pathetic response. If you think our coolers deserve what they’ve been getting then you’re scum! 

Edit: I’m of mixed heritage so I understand the frustrations of the people but nowhere near to their extent. 

 

Edited 7 June 2020 by Leeds Fox

[Blanchflower78]

Whilst peaceful protesting I agree with given we are in the middle of a global pandemic a 50k a week premier league football with his face virtually covered should have more sense than to put himself in harm's way and that of others.

As a regular social media user his message would have reached far greater than to have hidden as another body in the masses. 

Yes he has every right to protest about racism, BUT given his employers have made every effort to protect him from Covid and those around him it's highly irresponsible to put himself in harm's way. The club should ask him to isolate for 7 days now as a sensible precaution. 

[NaijaFox]

On 07/06/2020 at 09:54, Leeds Fox said:

Right, what on Earth are we starting this for? I said it’s a matter I’m not going into. I don’t agree with it but I’m not involved, I’m not a copper either so I don’t need to be bothered. 
 

Pathetic response. If you think our coolers deserve what they’ve been getting then you’re scum!


Edit: I’m of mixed heritage so I understand the frustrations of the people but nowhere near to their extent. 

 

More dog-whistling and frankly silly Strawman Argument.
 

First, what has Gray’s joining of the protest has to do with idiots who attack coppers? In fact, what does race have to do with the attack on cops? Do you think there are no black or brown coppers? Introducing an element that is completely IRRELEVANT to Gray’s participation in the march is blatantly crude dog-whistling, by attempting to conflate disparate things. Meanwhile, it is (to be brutally honest) the most obtuse Strawman Argument to equate support for Gray’s participation in the protest march to support for violence against coppers. Frankly only intellectually-dishonest scum would do that!
 

Finally, nobody cares about your heritage or color. EVERY decent human being would support what’s right and proper, regardless of race.

 

Now back to discussing FOOTBALL, and how Gray’s actions may (or may not) impact our beloved FOOTBALL club.

Edited 8 June 2020 by NaijaFox

[Leeds Fox]

11 minutes ago, NaijaFox said:

More dog-whistling and frankly silly Strawman Argument.
 

First, what has Gray’s joining of the protest has to do with idiots who attack coppers? In fact, what does race have to do with the attack on cops? Do you think there are no black or brown coppers? Introducing an element that is completely IRRELEVANT to Gray’s participation in the march is blatantly crude dog-whistling, by attempting to conflate disparate things. Meanwhile, it is (to be brutally honest) the most obtuse Strawman Argument to equate support support for Gray’s participation in the protest march to support for violence against coppers. Frankly only intellectually-dishonest scum would do that!
 

Finally, nobody cares about your heritage or color. EVERY decent human being would support what’s right and proper, regardless of race.

 

Now back to discussing FOOTBALL, and how Gray’s actions may (or may not) impact our beloved FOOTBALL club.

My original post that you replied to was me saying I agree with the point the protests we’re making, but highlighted an element I didn’t agree with. I didn’t want to provoke anyone and didn’t want a reaction to it. 
 

My post was in response to the impact that this could have on our club. 
 

It seems to me that you’re looking for an argument that was never there or that you’re looking for a way to be offended. I didn’t intend that in any way and without specifically looking for it, it wasn’t there. 
 

I wasn’t using my heritage as a reason to support or not support what’s going on. I said I could sympathise with why it’s going on. 
 

 

Edited 8 June 2020 by Leeds Fox

[NaijaFox]

22 hours ago, Blanchflower78 said:

Whilst peaceful protesting I agree with given we are in the middle of a global pandemic a 50k a week premier league football with his face virtually covered should have more sense than to put himself in harm's way and that of others.

As a regular social media user his message would have reached far greater than to have hidden as another body in the masses. 

Yes he has every right to protest about racism, BUT given his employers have made every effort to protect him from Covid and those around him it's highly irresponsible to put himself in harm's way. The club should ask him to isolate for 7 days now as a sensible precaution. 

But when he’s out in public in many places, he’s just another black person - as are his brothers, sisters, kin, mom and dad (and presumably many of his friends). The great majority of his fellow black citizens are not fortunate enough to be blessed with the talent to dribble around a football (even if aimlessly for the most part ) and thus be provided with the virtual bubble of protection by virtue of being a celebrity (whatever that means). Good on him that he has chosen to deploy his visibility and the supposed power of his celebrity on this occasion towards a socially-useful cause.
 

Yes, I completely agree that he should be isolated for the necessary period (or even just tested again), but it’s well worth it (and I would hope that there would be a communal or societal uproar if the club elects to penalize him in any substantive manner). Football as his occupation is terribly important and deserves respect, but will come to an end sooner than most of our own occupations will. Being a black person is not only lifelong but is an EVERYDAY experience for him. 
 

 

Edited 8 June 2020 by NaijaFox

[NaijaFox]

37 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said:

My original post that you replied to was me saying I agree with the point the protests we’re making, but highlighted an element I didn’t agree with. I didn’t want to provoke anyone and didn’t want a reaction to it. 
 

My post was in response to the impact that this could have on our club. 
 

It seems to me that you’re looking for an argument that was never there or that you’re looking for a way to be offended. I didn’t intend that in any way and without specifically looking for it, it wasn’t there. 
 

I wasn’t using my heritage as a reason to support or not support what’s going on. I said I could sympathise with why it’s going on. 
 

 

Was not offended in the least bit (just thought the parenthetical bit was unnecessary), until you started imputing my post as support for violence against coppers.
 

Edited 8 June 2020 by NaijaFox

[Leeds Fox]

20 minutes ago, NaijaFox said:

Was not offended in the least bit (just thought the parenthetical bit was unnecessary), until you started imputing my post as support for violence against coppers.
 

Probably read between the lines and saw something that wasn’t there. Apologies. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

Has anyone got any popcorn?

[goody2028]

9 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Has anyone got any popcorn?

 

[NaijaFox]

1 hour ago, Leeds Fox said:

Probably read between the lines and saw something that wasn’t there. Apologies. 

No problem. Mine as well if I misread you. 

[Costock_Fox]

Is Gray even training with the club?

[Dahnsouff]

11 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Has anyone got any popcorn?

Sorry, late to this party, so can you get me up to speed?

 

Who are the coolers?

Is this a slander or praise Demi thread?

Did you get any popcorn?

If so, was is sweet or salty?

 

[chris_lcfc_85]

1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

Is Gray even training with the club?

Yes he's been in a few pics and even got an assist in the friendly 

[foxinsocks]

Has he gone yet?

[frany104]

I though Demarai changed the game when he came on. He was a lot more positive than Albrighton and Barnes. How Albrighton is starting ahead of Gray I don’t know. Albrighton didn’t influence the game once today. We need to attack teams like Watford. Not just rely on Vardy to bail us out.

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

In defence of Albrighton and all our players today I felt we looked rusty, I felt Watford looked rusty and I felt in every game so far they have all looked rusty apart from Man City.

 

I completely forgot Barnes was on the pitch today but won’t hold it against him as he will soon pick up I am sure. 
 

Nice to see Demi come on and do well. Also really nice to see him lay the ball off to Albrighton for that shot as in the past he would always have skied it. Maybe he is finally learning. 
 

Good stuff Demi!

[Foxes96]

How frustrating is Dimi every time I start to write him off he puts in a decent cameo and I begin to think what if he could manage this on a regular basis 

[Nicolo Barella]

Gray has certainly improved his productivity this season. 4 goal contributions in 434 minutes, that's a goal contribution every 108.5 minutes. Compared to last season, 1 goal cont every 395.6 minutes. Still not enough to be at our level, unless he can bring yesterday's performance consistently to every match.