England squad for Euro 2020 qualifiers against the Czech Republic and Bulgaria - Chilwell and Maddison

[urban.spaceman]

2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Racism is disgusting from the Bulgarian 'supporters'. FIFA really need to start upping their punishments, clearly closing stands and behind closed doors games aren't working. 

 

Next step is to just ban the country from competing in qualifiers, remove them from all FIFA competitions.  Then mahbe they'll start to listen.

 

Just now, UniFox21 said:

Racism is disgusting from the Bulgarian 'supporters'. FIFA really need to start upping their punishments, clearly closing stands and behind closed doors games aren't working. 

 

Next step is to just ban the country from competing in qualifiers, remove them from all FIFA competitions.  Then mahbe they'll start to listen.

 

Just now, UniFox21 said:

Racism is disgusting from the Bulgarian 'supporters'. FIFA really need to start upping their punishments, clearly closing stands and behind closed doors games aren't working. 

 

Next step is to just ban the country from competing in qualifiers, remove them from all FIFA competitions.  Then mahbe they'll start to listen.

Here here. 
 

Here. 

[1972 Fox]

5 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Racism is disgusting from the Bulgarian 'supporters'. FIFA really need to start upping their punishments, clearly closing stands and behind closed doors games aren't working. 

 

Next step is to just ban the country from competing in qualifiers, remove them from all FIFA competitions.  Then mahbe they'll start to listen.

 

3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Racism is disgusting from the Bulgarian 'supporters'. FIFA really need to start upping their punishments, clearly closing stands and behind closed doors games aren't working. 

 

Next step is to just ban the country from competing in qualifiers, remove them from all FIFA competitions.  Then mahbe they'll start to listen.

 

2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Racism is disgusting from the Bulgarian 'supporters'. FIFA really need to start upping their punishments, clearly closing stands and behind closed doors games aren't working. 

 

Next step is to just ban the country from competing in qualifiers, remove them from all FIFA competitions.  Then mahbe they'll start to listen.

Your 3 step protocol. I see what you did there! 

[UniFox21]

1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Here here. 
 

Here. 

I'm in a pub in the middle of the countryside, internet signal is shit at best 

[MPH]

i’m just downright infuriated that this kind of thing is still going on in today’s game. Are the fans just so utterly brain dead to not realize the trouble they will get in for doing this? the worlds eyes are upon them now. for all the wrong reasons too. 

 

make home games behind closed doors for the next two year. minimum punishment.

[foxes_rule1978]

10 minutes ago, MPH said:

i’m just downright infuriated that this kind of thing is still going on in today’s game. Are the fans just so utterly brain dead to not realize the trouble they will get in for doing this? the worlds eyes are upon them now. for all the wrong reasons too. 

 

make home games behind closed doors for the next two year. minimum punishment.

Banning from competition is probably what needs to be done

[Dr The Singh]

Bulgaria don't have a problem with racism, it's just accepted,..........

[Silva Fox]

15 minutes ago, MPH said:

i’m just downright infuriated that this kind of thing is still going on in today’s game. Are the fans just so utterly brain dead to not realize the trouble they will get in for doing this? the worlds eyes are upon them now. for all the wrong reasons too. 

 

make home games behind closed doors for the next two year. minimum punishment.

When you see the pictures of some of the scum doing the chanting I doubt they had more than a passing interest in the game anyway.

[Fox in the North]

20 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

Bulgaria don't have a problem with racism, it's just accepted,..........

The sad truth right there ^^^

[mozartfox]

They should be removed immediately from this qualifying campaign and banned from the next one. Probably a 10,000 Euro fine and a slap on the wrist.   The governing bodies of International Football are spineless.

[HybridFox]

Should drag down to club level as well tbh. All Bulgarian clubs banned from European participation until their house is in order.

 

As with English football in the late 80s, it needs something drastic.

[Long Eaton Fox]

The only way to stop these racist morons in football is to deduct points from the team, both national or inter national. A £10,000 fine is pointless. When the majority realise their team is being punished and they will never progress in football competitions they will turn on their own. I noticed nobody applauded them out. I hope nobody applauds them back.

[st albans fox]

Missed opportunity- we could afford to lose the three points 

 

we should have just walked off and refused to play

 

then uefa would have to take real action as they would see their tournaments endangered (And of course sponsorship) - other countries would be emboldened by the actions of England 

 

this will just be papered over with a big fine and ground closure - nothing will really change 

 

 

[The whole world smiles]

I know, that no player should ever have to endure that kind of treatment in a football stadium but I do think this type of thing is blown out of all proportions by a hysterical and often sanctimonious media. 

 

Take Raheem Steering for instance, he's bright, articulate, has dragged himself and his family up through his hard work and talent and probably earns 300k+ a week. How hurtful is he going to find it, that some thick as dogsh*t peasents from the arse end of nowhere think he looks like a monkey? The racial abuse in this instance says more about the people doing it and the "society" they are from than it ever does about our black players. 

 

In my opinion rasicm in the 80s aimed at players in this country from English fans would have been far more difficult for players to take because it was representative of a rasicst country that they were from at the time. Imagine getting monkey noises in an English stadium then your kids getting abused in school the next day. Or your parents on the bus etc.

 

I think what what Sterling has been more annoyed about in recent times is the very subtle, under the radar racism show towards him by the press, media and then by some of the people of this country. But people are less interested in that because it requires them get off there high horse and stop pointing fingers at uefa and Bulgarian (or whatever other backwards Eastern European country we are playing) bogeymen and have a good look in the mirror. 

 

 

Edited 15 October 2019 by The whole world smiles

[Guest Cujek]

I love the irony that the people doing the Hitlergruß would have some of the first people to be rounded up by the SS. 

 

And monkey noises in 2019?  The 1970:s called and they want their racism back. 

 

What next? The black and white minstrels as the half time entertainment? A new alf garnett sitcom? 

 

The only way to beat racism is to not engage it, turn the TV down (commentating is awuf anyway) the players should just ignore it (easier said than done I know) they are only doing cos they know that they will get a reaction out of it, they have nothing to lose so what does it matter to them. 

 

By stopping the game it only highlights them and they achieve what they set out to do, which is cause disruption. 

 

Uefa can't stop the behaviour, banning them from football won't change a thing, so just ban them from internationals for ever so no one has to play there again, if they are let back in it will just happen again. 

[ThaiFox]

9 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Chillie having a good game. In coming 30offer from OGS and Woodpecker in the Jan Window

I'll be amazed if OGS is still there in January!

[Tielemans63]

This really doesn't help

 

 

 

What an absolute bellend.

[RutlanderFox]

14 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

This really doesn't help

 

 

 

What an absolute bellend.

Embarrassing 

[WigstonWanderer]

What were the English chanting? Something along the lines of We know what you are, bunch of fascists.

[ARTY_FOX]

I'll never understand it. One of if not the most bizarre thing on the planet. 

Edited 15 October 2019 by ARTY_FOX

[Guest]

It's good that English fans are finally aware of racism but also rather hypocritical considering how insidiously racist they were in the recent past. If English fans think that racism doesn't still exist in English football then they are fooling themselves. This board has cracked down exceptionally well on racism but there are still many posts that exhibit it. Perhaps the English can also make a greater effort on the homophobic side and then maybe they can attack the rampant sexism that exists before they scoff so much at the Bulgarians/others. Even this enlightened site is plagued by sexism.

[adam95581]

Walking off the pitch, making them play behind closed doors or giving them a fine won’t solve anything. All it will do is mask the issues. 
 

Fundamentally, it comes down to education. Take the manager as an example - for him to come out and say he didn’t hear it is ridiculous and gives the racists the ‘ok’ to do it again. It’s institutionalised and that needs to change before it can be eradicated from football. 

[Nicolo Barella]

1 hour ago, FIF said:

It's good that English fans are finally aware of racism but also rather hypocritical considering how insidiously racist they were in the recent past. If English fans think that racism doesn't still exist in English football then they are fooling themselves. This board has cracked down exceptionally well on racism but there are still many posts that exhibit it. Perhaps the English can also make a greater effort on the homophobic side and then maybe they can attack the rampant sexism that exists before they scoff so much at the Bulgarians/others. Even this enlightened site is plagued by sexism.

Sometimes a hypocrite is just someone in the process of changing their mind

[Voll Blau]

2 hours ago, FIF said:

It's good that English fans are finally aware of racism but also rather hypocritical considering how insidiously racist they were in the recent past. If English fans think that racism doesn't still exist in English football then they are fooling themselves. This board has cracked down exceptionally well on racism but there are still many posts that exhibit it. Perhaps the English can also make a greater effort on the homophobic side and then maybe they can attack the rampant sexism that exists before they scoff so much at the Bulgarians/others. Even this enlightened site is plagued by sexism.

Awful take. An entire England end calls out Bulgarian fascists en masse throughout the game, but we shouldn't "scoff" because some racists, sexists and homophobes still knock about at games here and *shock horror* on the internet? Well that's hardly unique to this country sadly, and I don't think you'd see supporters of any other national teams openly chanting "you racist bastards" like last night. For once, we deserve a bit of credit as a nation.

 

Not a lot makes me proud to be English these days, but the actions of our fans, players and manager last night definitely did.

Edited 15 October 2019 by Voll Blau

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, adam95581 said:

Walking off the pitch, making them play behind closed doors or giving them a fine won’t solve anything. All it will do is mask the issues. 
 

Fundamentally, it comes down to education. Take the manager as an example - for him to come out and say he didn’t hear it is ridiculous and gives the racists the ‘ok’ to do it again. It’s institutionalised and that needs to change before it can be eradicated from football. 

Those blokes were doing what they were doing for two reasons. Firstly they ARE racists, they've just been raised to believe a certain ideology which is deeply entrenched in certain cultures. No UEFA sanctions will change that. 

 

Secondly, and this is what a lot of people are missing it seems, is that they're deliberately doing it to bring fines and sanctions on the Bulgarian FA. A lot of people there feel their FA is massively corrupt and will do anything they can to damage their reputation. It's been going on for years and again UEFA won't be able to change people's mindsets when they feel the Bulgarian FA and UEFA are in collusion. The manager denies he hears anything and the Bulgarian FA back him to shut down the people trying to damage them. 

 

When those two things align and these people have a global audience to play up to, they'll take it with both hands as we saw last night. 

 

Not really sure what the answer is other than to ban sets of supporters completely but that doesn't fix the actual issue, it just removes it from sight. 

Edited 15 October 2019 by Sol thewall Bamba

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Awful take. An entire England end calls out Bulgarian fascists en masse throughout the game, but we shouldn't "scoff" because some racists, sexists and homophobes still knock about at games here and *shock horror* on the internet? Well that's hardly unique to this country sadly, and I don't think you'd see supporters of any other national teams openly chanting "you racist bastards" like last night. For once, we deserve a bit of credit as a nation.

 

Not a lot makes me proud to be English these days, but the actions of our fans, players and manager last night definitely did.

I thought you were around in the 80's in England. The fans sang a lot worse than that even LCFC supporters and even to their own players. 

 

my point in case you missed it is that the English were just as bad or even worse and most have changed, no reason that shouldn't be the case for Bulgarians who haven't benefitted from your multi-cultural education. To then not realise that other forms of discrimination are rife in England and football does make us hypocritical.

 

but carry on with the superiority complex, it'll help us all long term. 

 

edit: and calling people "bastards" really isn't going to help the situation is it? Can't be proud of that, myself.

Edited 15 October 2019 by Guest