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Ben Chilwell

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2 minutes ago, Heymister2015 said:

Close to terrorist attacks and being treated like trash by the Chelsea fans for being rubbish. I wouldn’t say it’s a hugely attractive move. 

That’s a leap and a half to make re the attacks. You sound like you’re having a mare. I am at best being polite here ... I don’t fancy another warning. 

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6 minutes ago, blaaklint said:

just thought it would be interesting to point out that chilwell has more goals and assists in fewer minutes (3 + 3 in 2376) than ricardo (3 + 2 in 2520). now, i think ricardo is a better player but they're certainly not so far apart as some of you seem to be suggesting.

Think that has more to do with the emphasis we have down our left. When Maddison plays further forward, he operates on the inside left with Barnes and Chilwell creating an overload. 

 

Down the right we have Tielemans, who operates deeper and is less mobile than Maddison and Perez who likes to sit narrower than Barnes. This leaves the whole right side to Ricardo. Our focus though is definitely down our left. 

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3 minutes ago, Heymister2015 said:

Close to terrorist attacks and being treated like trash by the Chelsea fans for being rubbish. I wouldn’t say it’s a hugely attractive move. 

I don't think any of us think about terrorist attacks when choosing a place to work or live.

 

You can treat me like trash as long as you agree to treble my wages!

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1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

Could be. Are we in a position where we have to wait for chilwell to go before we can complete deals for his replacement? I remember that happening with drinkwater and silva transfers. I think we’ll end up getting Lewis from Norwich for about 20m. 

I don’t think it’s a matter of we need to but rather the club will want to 100% make sure that all goes through prior to spending extra £££

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I think it's a little bit of speculation he wants the london lifestyle. We don't actually know? Being a professional footballer they do not get much time to have a social life during the season. I should imagine the main pull was more than doubling his salary and playing Champions league football. He also has friends at Chelsea too and is not massively far from friends and family still either. Good luck to him!

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2 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

You mean those 2 games where we lost 2 nil to Man Utd and 3 nil against spurs? 

Probably wouldn't throw him into those kind off games bar the peno him and Evans gave away he didn't really do a lot wrong he didn't decide to play a high line against spurs .. against the weaker sides he can still do a job and three will let be plenty of games next season 

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1 minute ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I don’t think it’s a matter of we need to but rather the club will want to 100% make sure that all goes through prior to spending extra £££

Also doesn’t look great signing a left back with chilwell still being at the club. I certainly hope we’ve a deal sorted out for a replacement whoever it maybe. 

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41 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

The reality is that "Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton" are our long term competitors, not Chelsea and Man Utd.

 

Anyone who says different doesn't have a grasp on the reality of the situation.

I would say spurs, arsenal, wolves everton, southampton personally. Obviously i dont think we can keep up with man united and chelsea but spurs and arsenal are definitely reachable right now but we also have wolves southhampton and maybe everton nipping at our tail.

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1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

Probably wouldn't throw him into those kind off games bar the peno him and Evans gave away he didn't really do a lot wrong he didn't decide to play a high line against spurs .. against the weaker sides he can still do a job and three will let be plenty of games next season 

Don’t get me wrong Morgan will always be a legend at the club. However he’s 38. He was being outpaced by kane who isn’t even quick. I just think imo the amount of games next season will take its toll on him. Obviously he won’t play every game. 

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13 minutes ago, Heymister2015 said:

Close to terrorist attacks and being treated like trash by the Chelsea fans for being rubbish. I wouldn’t say it’s a hugely attractive move. 

Lucky for Chelsea they're not trying to sign you. 

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1 minute ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Will Chilly’s medical be affected by his injury by any chance?

I shouldn't imagine so. He has had his injury checked by specialists in london so Chelsea have a time scale until he can play etc. so they know what they are buying.

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28 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

In non Premiership and European games I would play Thomas ahead of Fuchs who will be off at the end of the season. Neither do we know how reliable Fuchs is now going to be due to age and injury. Thomas appears to have got the blame for two of the goals conceded in one game but I thought that was stretching it a bit. One was supposedly when he lost the ball in an advanced position outside the opposition box in which case I would ask who was covering for him. Also, Perez and Tielemans were forever giving the ball away but by luck they didn't lead to a goal, not to mention Schmeichel. 

We had a number of first teamers out and the overall performances were shocking as were at times the managers tactics and substitutions. Overall Thomas made some excellent contributions and was far in advance of what I was expecting. Depending on who we buy and who we sell, there are others I'd leave out of the whole squad before him.

 

We do know how reliable Fuchs is going to be because Rodgers has watched him train every day for 18 months. They have not asked him to stay to sit on his arse in a freezing cold empty stand for 12 months.

 

I absolutely agree with you I think Thomas had as good a start to his City career as you can ask for, but it is obvious that if he can get 40 Championship games, toughen up physically, make some mistakes, gain experience in adapting to a different environment etc., that would be much better than probably single figures for games in cups that we won't be playing strong sides in.

 

Fuchs is happy to be mostly backup and do that role, if you're a 19 year old shit hot prospect you don't want to be covering for a 27 year old £30m signing in their prime because they're not going to get in. I think Justin would testify that if Ricardo didn't get injured he might have got itchy feet come the end of the season having hardly played at such a key age for development.

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1 minute ago, jeffschlupp said:

We do know how reliable Fuchs is going to be because Rodgers has watched him train every day for 18 months. They have not asked him to stay to sit on his arse in a freezing cold empty stand for 12 months.

 

I absolutely agree with you I think Thomas had as good a start to his City career as you can ask for, but it is obvious that if he can get 40 Championship games, toughen up physically, make some mistakes, gain experience in adapting to a different environment etc., that would be much better than probably single figures for games in cups that we won't be playing strong sides in.

 

Fuchs is happy to be mostly backup and do that role, if you're a 19 year old shit hot prospect you don't want to be covering for a 27 year old £30m signing in their prime because they're not going to get in. I think Justin would testify that if Ricardo didn't get injured he might have got itchy feet come the end of the season having hardly played at such a key age for development.

I would like Thomas at Leuven for the left back position in a 3-5-2. I've seen him play and he could make a difference with his crosses.

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44 minutes ago, blaaklint said:

just thought it would be interesting to point out that chilwell has more goals and assists in fewer minutes (3 + 3 in 2376) than ricardo (3 + 2 in 2520). now, i think ricardo is a better player but they're certainly not so far apart as some of you seem to be suggesting.

Ricardo absolutely annihilates Chilwell and almost all other defenders on tackling and interceptions, passes in the final 3rd etc. His goals and assists were very ordinary for his standards last season though, hopefully they improve next season.

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7 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

We do know how reliable Fuchs is going to be because Rodgers has watched him train every day for 18 months. They have not asked him to stay to sit on his arse in a freezing cold empty stand for 12 months.

 

I absolutely agree with you I think Thomas had as good a start to his City career as you can ask for, but it is obvious that if he can get 40 Championship games, toughen up physically, make some mistakes, gain experience in adapting to a different environment etc., that would be much better than probably single figures for games in cups that we won't be playing strong sides in.

 

Fuchs is happy to be mostly backup and do that role, if you're a 19 year old shit hot prospect you don't want to be covering for a 27 year old £30m signing in their prime because they're not going to get in. I think Justin would testify that if Ricardo didn't get injured he might have got itchy feet come the end of the season having hardly played at such a key age for development.

Yes I do take your points. Just to clarify  I rate Fuchs highly and it will be a sad day when he leaves. When I mentioned his reliability  I in no way meant his performances. I meant more in terms of, if covering for injury, playing quick games in succession and subsequent susceptibility to injury. His couple of end of season cameos left him injured which could just be a sign of bad luck or something to do with age and irregular games.

 

I suppose if and when Ricardo is fit, we would have Justin for cover also. For me, if he was to go out on loan, because he showed such promise I think the Championship would be a minimum but also we don't want to end up with a Benkovic situation whereby he doesn't even play. A recall clause could also be an option also I suppose. 

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14 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

We do know how reliable Fuchs is going to be because Rodgers has watched him train every day for 18 months. They have not asked him to stay to sit on his arse in a freezing cold empty stand for 12 months.

 

I absolutely agree with you I think Thomas had as good a start to his City career as you can ask for, but it is obvious that if he can get 40 Championship games, toughen up physically, make some mistakes, gain experience in adapting to a different environment etc., that would be much better than probably single figures for games in cups that we won't be playing strong sides in.

 

Fuchs is happy to be mostly backup and do that role, if you're a 19 year old shit hot prospect you don't want to be covering for a 27 year old £30m signing in their prime because they're not going to get in. I think Justin would testify that if Ricardo didn't get injured he might have got itchy feet come the end of the season having hardly played at such a key age for development.

I think playing in the europa league alongside soyuncu/benkovic is better experience for thomas than playing with random teammates in the championship. I also think it would be better for thomas to make use of tagliafico's experience and learn directly from him. As we've seen with benkovic this year there's always a chance that Thomas ends up on loan with a shite manager like lee johnson and doesnt get game time.

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6 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I think playing in the europa league alongside soyuncu/benkovic is better experience for thomas than playing with random teammates in the championship. I also think it would be better for thomas to make use of tagliafico's experience and learn directly from him. As we've seen with benkovic this year there's always a chance that Thomas ends up on loan with a shite manager like lee johnson and doesnt get game time.

We are in the rare position, assuming we sign Tagliafico and sell Chilwell, where we have three first team left backs. Loaning out Thomas now whilst we still have Fuchs makes perfect sense. If he is loaned to the right team the experience he will gain will be invaluable, so many young players in recent years have profited immensely from loans to the Championship, including our very own Chilwell and Barnes. 

 

There will be time enough for Thomas to learn from Tagliafico when we finally let Fuchs go and he becomes his understudy for next season. 

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2 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

The reality is that "Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton" are our long term competitors, not Chelsea and Man Utd.

 

Anyone who says different doesn't have a grasp on the reality of the situation.

Absolutely correct. Best comment on the thread so far. 

 

I'd prob add Spurs to that list too. They are in that no man's land between clubs mentioned and the big 5. 

 

Unless Congerton gets his way, we're gonna bounce around between 5th and 13th for the foreseeable, as each of those teams listed peak and trough from season to season

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