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Ben Chilwell

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honeybradger

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2 minutes ago, KingsX said:

 

Wolves own a chunk of Mendes’ agency.   So Gestifute is going to bring a caliber of players to Wolves that “surprises” people.  Don’t be so surprised.  Nor if they outgrow the club, yet stay put.  Mendes is not going to shop them round like any other agent.

 

Jimenez (not a Gestifute client) has been linked away.  While the likes of Jota are not.  If Jota was not with Mendes, surely his name would be all over the media.  He’s only 23 and worth more than 50K/week.

 

The League having allowed a club to link up with an agent distorts the competitive environment.  But worse, it means no one is speaking for the players.  Their trusted third party is actually part of ownership.  Why enhance their packets, or subject the club to competition for their services, when you can simply advise them to stay put?

To be honest jota has hardly been wolves's level this year, let alone deserving of a move to a bigger club, im sure if either him or traore started putting up bigger numbers they would be linked elsewhere.

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KingsX

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5 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

To be honest jota has hardly been wolves's level this year, let alone deserving of a move to a bigger club, im sure if either him or traore started putting up bigger numbers they would be linked elsewhere.

 

I can't say yes or no to that.  But I recall when the tie-up went through, many of us assumed making Wolves a Gestifute shop window was the point.  Wolves get better players, while Mendes bumps their profile and value in the richest league.  But it seems to be working out more like a one-way street so far.

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1 minute ago, KingsX said:

 

I can't say yes or no to that.  But I recall when the tie-up went through, many of us assumed making Wolves a Gestifute shop window was the point.  Wolves get better players, while Mendes bumps their profile and value in the richest league.  But it seems to be working out more like a one-way street so far.

Their aim is to have continuity, and once they've won something or are regularly in Europe they sell off assets when necessary and keep the flow going with a drip going out supplementing it.

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6 hours ago, Matt said:

Going abit off topic here but i'm going back to why other clubs don't lose their players and taking Wolves and Tottenham as example to raise question.

 

What I wanna know is how Tottenham and Wolves keep their players happy.

 

I read someone say Wolves players have a good relationship with agents, so? If others clubs come sniffing (Which I don't get why they're aren't or media try and engineer, push a move again, they don't seem too) these players are going to have their heads turned as do ours. Whilst I wouldn't imagine they pay as much as us. What I will say is Wolves seem to have our old 'band of brothers' squad mentality, something we seem to have lost.

 

Tottenham is even more of a bizzare situation and shock compared to Wolves as they keep hold tbh. They are (or certainly were, it might have changed since Kane's and Lloris'(?) improved contracts) notoriously tight, low payers (So I am led to believe - football terms) and don't have all that much money due to the new stadium and well as i've said they're just tight really, I think a couple of years back alot of our players were on more than theres (We're probably similar payers in reality), now someone's gonna come back on this point and say 'Who wants a load of bottlers?', 'They've never won anything', correct but they still have decent players there, and besides surely that should be a point for their players wanting to move on, but they somehow manage to keep them, paying poorly (again, in football terms and its only rumours), and players not engineering moves out. Ok so they lost Kyle Walker in 2017, Trippier in 2019 (But something had gone on there) and Vertonghan has just left as a free agent, but it's hardly like our scenario of letting one go every year.

 

Wolves good players aren’t English, and English players are far more marketable. Before you even take into account playing styles and agent tie tins. Kante and Mahrez weren’t just good, both are arguably world class players and better than anything outside the top 6 for quite some time.

 

Spurs are bigger than us And historically more glamorous and marketed as a “top 6” club by Sky etc. They also spend £30m a season more than us on wages... which effectively lets you pay 25 players £1.2m or £100,000 a week more than we can.

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1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Wolves good players aren’t English, and English players are far more marketable. Before you even take into account playing styles and agent tie tins. Kante and Mahrez weren’t just good, both are arguably world class players and better than anything outside the top 6 for quite some time.

 

Spurs are bigger than us And historically more glamorous and marketed as a “top 6” club by Sky etc. They also spend £30m a season more than us on wages... which effectively lets you pay 25 players £1.2m or £100,000 a week more than we can.

25 players 25k/week 

it would be 6 players 100k/week more 

 

either way, it’s significant 

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2 hours ago, KingsX said:

 

Wolves own a chunk of Mendes’ agency.   So Gestifute is going to bring a caliber of players to Wolves that “surprises” people.  Don’t be so surprised.  Nor if they outgrow the club, yet stay put.  Mendes is not going to shop them round like any other agent.

 

Jimenez (not a Gestifute client) has been linked away.  While the likes of Jota are not.  If Jota was not with Mendes, surely his name would be all over the media.  He’s only 23 and worth more than 50K/week.

 

The League having allowed a club to link up with an agent distorts the competitive environment.  But worse, it means no one is speaking for the players.  Their trusted third party is actually part of ownership.  Why enhance their packets, or subject the club to competition for their services, when you can simply advise them to stay put?

More fool the players, tbh. 

 

Why sign for an agent that has a clear conflict of interest? No different to hiring a defence lawyer and then see him.testify for the prosecution. Bizarre. 

 

Anyway, ultimately, Wolves' players are nowhere near ours. That's why there's a lack of interest. They play to a system and play it very very well. Like Burnley. Even Bennett pointed that out in his recent interview. 

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9 hours ago, Matt said:

Going abit off topic here but i'm going back to why other clubs don't lose their players and taking Wolves and Tottenham as example to raise question.

 

What I wanna know is how Tottenham and Wolves keep their players happy.

 

I read someone say Wolves players have a good relationship with agents, so? If others clubs come sniffing (Which I don't get why they're aren't or media try and engineer, push a move again, they don't seem too) these players are going to have their heads turned as do ours. Whilst I wouldn't imagine they pay as much as us. What I will say is Wolves seem to have our old 'band of brothers' squad mentality, something we seem to have lost.

 

Tottenham is even more of a bizzare situation and shock compared to Wolves as they keep hold tbh. They are (or certainly were, it might have changed since Kane's and Lloris'(?) improved contracts) notoriously tight, low payers (So I am led to believe - football terms) and don't have all that much money due to the new stadium and well as i've said they're just tight really, I think a couple of years back alot of our players were on more than theres (We're probably similar payers in reality), now someone's gonna come back on this point and say 'Who wants a load of bottlers?', 'They've never won anything', correct but they still have decent players there, and besides surely that should be a point for their players wanting to move on, but they somehow manage to keep them, paying poorly (again, in football terms and its only rumours), and players not engineering moves out. Ok so they lost Kyle Walker in 2017, Trippier in 2019 (But something had gone on there) and Vertonghan has just left as a free agent, but it's hardly like our scenario of letting one go every year.

 

Wolves have been in the Prem for 2 seasons. Let's see what happens to Traore, Jiminez and Neves in the next year. They've never had a single bid for one of their stars either, maybe when the bids start coming the players we'll see what happens.

 

Matt, you'd be the first to moan if someone like Ricardo walks away for free in 2 years because we haven't got him to sign a new contract, nor did we sell at the time when coveted for a large fee. Our current model of selling 1 asset a season to fund the continual progression of our team as well as being able to offer new contracts to players and increase our wage bill is the most appropriate course of action for us.

 

Whats the alternative? How do we find the funds to buy new players each year, offer new deals north of £100k a week to our best stars and never sell any of them all on around £200m revenue a year? We simply don't have the commercial strength off the field to close the gap in other ways. Even winning the league didn't bring the sponsorships that the top 6 get, we have to try and compete as best we can and so far we are the best of the rest. Whats the problem?

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Les-TA-Jon

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6 minutes ago, Frost said:

Chelsea fans abusing Chilwell before he's even kicked a ball for them. If you think it was bad at LCFC, you've not seen anything yet (unfortunately).

Yep, if any part of Chilwell wanting to leave is to do with getting away from our toxic fan base, then he’s in for a rude awakening at any top 6 side! 

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10 hours ago, Matt said:

Going abit off topic here but i'm going back to why other clubs don't lose their players and taking Wolves and Tottenham as example to raise question.

 

What I wanna know is how Tottenham and Wolves keep their players happy.

 

I read someone say Wolves players have a good relationship with agents, so? If others clubs come sniffing (Which I don't get why they're aren't or media try and engineer, push a move again, they don't seem too) these players are going to have their heads turned as do ours. Whilst I wouldn't imagine they pay as much as us. What I will say is Wolves seem to have our old 'band of brothers' squad mentality, something we seem to have lost.

     

Tottenham is even more of a bizzare situation and shock compared to Wolves as they keep hold tbh. They are (or certainly were, it might have changed since Kane's and Lloris'(?) improved contracts) notoriously tight, low payers (So I am led to believe - football terms) and don't have all that much money due to the new stadium and well as i've said they're just tight really, I think a couple of years back alot of our players were on more than theres (We're probably similar payers in reality), now someone's gonna come back on this point and say 'Who wants a load of bottlers?', 'They've never won anything', correct but they still have decent players there, and besides surely that should be a point for their players wanting to move on, but they somehow manage to keep them, paying poorly (again, in football terms and its only rumours), and players not engineering moves out. Ok so they lost Kyle Walker in 2017, Trippier in 2019 (But something had gone on there) and Vertonghan has just left as a free agent, but it's hardly like our scenario of letting one go every year.

 

...the question is what is the next stop for Spurs and Wolves players!!!

 The teams above these two clubs I suspect do not want them. The players will not want to move sidewards, and can't get the move to to the big 4 as the quality in respect of their cost is not prudent choice.

 

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2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Yep, if any part of Chilwell wanting to leave is to do with getting away from our toxic fan base, then he’s in for a rude awakening at any top 6 side! 

Perhaps earning double the money and winning trophies most seasons will help him deal with that .......

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Leicester_Loyal

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2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

NO CHIL 

Ben Chilwell’s £50m Chelsea transfer hinges on crocked Leicester left-back’s visit to heel specialist


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12479058/ben-chilwell-chelsea-transfer-leicester-heel/

 

 

What a crock of shit. Like an extra 3 weeks being injured would put a football club off a transferlol

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17 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

What a crock of shit. Like an extra 3 weeks being injured would put a football club off a transferlol


 

they probably want to make sure it’s not a recurring injury. It’s sensible really.

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Leicester_Loyal

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1 minute ago, HankMarvin said:

No pre season, better cheaper options out there. Maybe they are having second thoughts.

We'll see.

 

They've known about the cheaper options all summer, why change now after the fee has been agreed?

 

They'll use Alonso as a LB for 2 or 3 weeks then Ben can slot straight into the team for 60 minutes to gain match fitness.

 

1 minute ago, MPH said:


 

they probably want to make sure it’s not a recurring injury. It’s sensible really.

Correct.

 

But that's not what the article says, it says if he's out for 6 weeks instead of the originally predicted 3, then they'll potentially pull the plug on the whole transfer.

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