Benguin Posted 28 September 2020 Share Posted 28 September 2020 3 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: @Benguin I can't believe I'm agreeing with owen Jones Awareness of who the guy is, surprise he's making an apparently fair point. but anybody who's been paying attention to US politics should be more than aware of the far right's use of a black flag with one of the lines replaced with a blue one. To directly copy that design using a Union flag is eyebrow raising at the least. Explanation for why the Union Flag image raised red flags given the striking similarities to a contemporarily popular emblem of far-right, bad faith discourse. I notice a lot are of the opinion that since you can pretty easily make case-specific justifications for each element of the design that there's nothing to it, that's usually the whole point of these far right memes: Make them mostly innocuous so you can deny, deflect and obfuscate. Hopefully no confusion here: Pepe, Kekistan, Clownface, that kind of thing. I'm not saying it's definitely the case here but it plays into those hands and it can't have been hard to make a more unique design. Distinct emphasis on not condemning the image but pondering why nobody involved saw and sidestepped the obvious resemblance, later information proved it perfectly benign, good thing I kept an open mind or I might look stupid here. I have no problem with anything I said there, I think it holds up well and fairly explains the situation in the context where the tweeted picture was understood to be a recent design. Hit me up if you have any further queries. My original reply presupposed that you, like Owen Jones and all the other “let’s get offended” brigade, had been ignorant of the fact that the emblem predates any right wing use and I think I was right. Should Muslims stop saying allahu Akbar because terrorists use it? it is so frustrating that there is an army of people rising up who disregard facts, purpose and context solely to be in a state of outrage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 28 September 2020 Share Posted 28 September 2020 35 minutes ago, Benguin said: My original reply presupposed that you, like Owen Jones and all the other “let’s get offended” brigade, had been ignorant of the fact that the emblem predates any right wing use and I think I was right. Should Muslims stop saying allahu Akbar because terrorists use it? it is so frustrating that there is an army of people rising up who disregard facts, purpose and context solely to be in a state of outrage. This is your problem right here. There was no disregarding of facts, just valid questions based on information known at the time which were answered by the relevant facts at which point opinion was changed (I mean, I know mine was and after a brief dive into Owen Jones' twitter I can see the offending tweet has been deleted and replaced with an apology, was there anybody else questioning it?), so literally the opposite of what you're suggesting. One might even say you're disregarding the facts, purpose and context here solely to be in a state of outrage. And your original comment was "I know I’m a bit more conservative than the average folk on here but I just can’t even fathom how one can think so blindly and stupidly". That's a bit more than presuming ignorance which isn't inherently bad and shouldn't be seen as such, it's suggesting deliberate distortion. For a misunderstanding that was so easily and amicably resolved there was no need to drag an argument out, least of all into a redundant terrorism analogy, redundant because the logic you're suggesting the rabid mobs should adhere to (the idea that original usage trump later developments) is the same logic that had already been applied while you continued to be in your state of outrage. So unless you can present some evidence of this "let's get offended" brigade I suggest you let this one drop and maybe have a think about how other people's political alignment seems to cloud your interpretation of their words and actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 1 October 2020 Share Posted 1 October 2020 Who knew? The rolls used in Subway's hot sandwiches contain too much sugar to be considered bread, according to Ireland's Supreme Court. Ireland's highest court made the ruling in a case about how the bread is taxed. An Irish franchisee of the US company had claimed it should not pay VAT on the rolls it uses in heated sandwiches. However, the court ruled that because of the amount of sugar they contain, they cannot be taxed as a "staple product" at a zero rate of VAT. Under Ireland's VAT Act of 1972, ingredients in bread such as sugar and fat should not exceed 2% of the weight of flour in the dough. Are there good and bad sugars? The five judges, who were considering an appeal by Bookfinders Ltd, a Subway franchisee based near Galway, concluded that in Subway sandwiches the sugar content is around 10% of the flour in the dough for both white and wholegrain rolls. In Irish law, bread is considered a staple food and has a zero rate of VAT. Following the ruling, the rolls are subject to tax at 13.5%. The case stems from a decision by Ireland's tax authority in 2006 to refuse Bookfinders' request for a refund on VAT payments made between 2004 and 2005. After an appeal commissioner upheld the tax authority's refusal of a refund, Bookfinders took its case to the High Court which it lost before going to the Court of Appeal, where it was also unsuccessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoleftfeet Posted 1 October 2020 Share Posted 1 October 2020 Its interesting in terms of a (miss)labelling technicallity sausages most contain 42% pork to be a pirk sausage but a vegan sausage doesnt have to contain any vegans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 2 October 2020 Share Posted 2 October 2020 7 hours ago, twoleftfeet said: Its interesting in terms of a (miss)labelling technicallity sausages most contain 42% pork to be a pirk sausage but a vegan poo log doesnt have to contain any vegans. fixed it. I concur though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 3 October 2020 Share Posted 3 October 2020 WOW! HTF! A driver suffered only minor injuries despite his van being crushed between two lorries in a crash on the M1 today. Leicestershire Police have published this amazing picture showing the scene of the crash on the northbound motorway in the county this morning. The van was all but flattened between the front of one heavy goods vehicle and the trailer of another https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/driver-escapes-only-slight-injuries-4571568 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 5 October 2020 Share Posted 5 October 2020 This is interesting... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-05/female-anglican-priest-barred-because-of-marriage-to-woman/12731580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 5 October 2020 Author Share Posted 5 October 2020 Hope someone can help ... ideal for someone on their own who wants some company ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 8 October 2020 Share Posted 8 October 2020 .. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink/chef-left-stunned-yorkshire-pudding-4589076 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 8 October 2020 Share Posted 8 October 2020 On 03/10/2020 at 09:33, davieG said: WOW! HTF! A driver suffered only minor injuries despite his van being crushed between two lorries in a crash on the M1 today. Leicestershire Police have published this amazing picture showing the scene of the crash on the northbound motorway in the county this morning. The van was all but flattened between the front of one heavy goods vehicle and the trailer of another https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/driver-escapes-only-slight-injuries-4571568 Mindboggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Falling Foxes Posted 9 October 2020 Share Posted 9 October 2020 We are still evolving: https://news.sky.com/story/human-microevolution-sees-more-people-born-without-wisdom-teeth-and-an-extra-artery-12099689 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 10 October 2020 Share Posted 10 October 2020 On 09/10/2020 at 09:14, Free Falling Foxes said: We are still evolving: https://news.sky.com/story/human-microevolution-sees-more-people-born-without-wisdom-teeth-and-an-extra-artery-12099689 I'm not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 11 October 2020 Share Posted 11 October 2020 (edited) Macron and the French government working hard for so long, spending millions to free a French-born hostage from Mali just to find out that the hostage converted to Islam Edited 11 October 2020 by the fox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 11 October 2020 Share Posted 11 October 2020 2 hours ago, the fox said: Macron and the French government working hard for so long, spending millions to free a French-born hostage from Mali just to find out that the hostage converted to Islam And that’s funny how? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 12 October 2020 Share Posted 12 October 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54500556 Well, it's on record now, then. Let's see if she had her fingers crossed when Roe v Wade comes to her desk (as it might). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 12 October 2020 Share Posted 12 October 2020 Columbus Day over the pond soon, and of course the WH has their viewpoint: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-columbus-day-2020 “Sadly, in recent years, radical activists have sought to undermine Christopher Columbus’s legacy. These extremists seek to replace discussion of his vast contributions with talk of failings, his discoveries with atrocities, and his achievements with transgressions. Rather than learn from our history, this radical ideology and its adherents seek to revise it, deprive it of any splendor, and mark it as inherently sinister. They seek to squash any dissent from their orthodoxy. We must not give in to these tactics or consent to such a bleak view of our history. We must teach future generations about our storied heritage, starting with the protection of monuments to our intrepid heroes like Columbus.” ...is it really "revisionist" to say that the original colonists and those that followed treated the indigenous Native Americans with patronising condescension at best and wholesale slaughter and cultural erasure at worst? Because that is what really happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 12 October 2020 Share Posted 12 October 2020 www.whataprick.co.uk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 12 October 2020 Share Posted 12 October 2020 7 hours ago, leicsmac said: Columbus Day over the pond soon, and of course the WH has their viewpoint: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-columbus-day-2020 “Sadly, in recent years, radical activists have sought to undermine Christopher Columbus’s legacy. These extremists seek to replace discussion of his vast contributions with talk of failings, his discoveries with atrocities, and his achievements with transgressions. Rather than learn from our history, this radical ideology and its adherents seek to revise it, deprive it of any splendor, and mark it as inherently sinister. They seek to squash any dissent from their orthodoxy. We must not give in to these tactics or consent to such a bleak view of our history. We must teach future generations about our storied heritage, starting with the protection of monuments to our intrepid heroes like Columbus.” ...is it really "revisionist" to say that the original colonists and those that followed treated the indigenous Native Americans with patronising condescension at best and wholesale slaughter and cultural erasure at worst? Because that is what really happened. ....Its not convenient to talk about the natives, move along nothing to see here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoleftfeet Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 21:27, Jattdogg said: ....Its not convenient to talk about the natives, move along nothing to see here... Dont see many natives trying to topple the statues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 6 minutes ago, twoleftfeet said: Dont see many natives trying to topple the statues. I'm curious to know what this has to do with the White House issuing a press release regarding Columbus Day that not only mentions nothing about the way indigenous Americans were treated in the aftermath of his visit, but flat-out implies that everyone else should say nothing about it either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 In the meantime, here's a look at the jurisprudence of the latest nominee for the Supreme Court: A most disingenuous piece of legal eagling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr The Singh Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Brilliant, we need more like her.......I can see me being prime minister by default at this rate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 BBC planning a documentary on the life and times of Jimmy Saville. At least they’ll have first hand knowledge of what he was up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 14 October 2020 Share Posted 14 October 2020 6 hours ago, Dr The Singh said: Brilliant, we need more like her.......I can see me being prime minister by default at this rate You’ve got my vote .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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