Coronavirus Thread

[Jon the Hat]

1 minute ago, The Blur said:

 

Jeez-  it must not have been easy for your sister in law-  I can get why someone like your sister in law would be asked but for the surgeons with limited skillset-  I would have thought it would be more effective for them to remain in their 'day'  job to reduce the waiting list-  you get stories in the newspapers about how patients die from excessive delays to their operations.

 

I cannot comment on that but Tories has definitely contributed to the problem- they pulled the NHS bursary for student nurses few years back only to re-introduce them last December-  few months before start of the pandemic. 

 

 

What on earth makes you think Surgeons have a limited skill set?

[Finnaldo]

30 minutes ago, The Blur said:

 

Out of the interest,  do anyone happen to know where staff get redeployed to?   I cannot imagine a heart surgeron for one being equipped to deal with A&E emergencies or to look after COVID patients unless if all operations are cancelled to curb the amount of personnel going in and out?

I just got it off Leicestershire Live so I’m not sure! I imagine it’s allowing more space for Covid patients than anything. 

[The Blur]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

What on earth makes you think Surgeons have a limited skill set?

Perhaps I have not worded that well-  I am not sure whether if surgeons has sufficent transferable skillset that means they can step in and be redeployed to work along medical personnel in A&E  or COVID wards as I assume they would normally specialise in one area of medicine rather than to be all rounder-  that was what I was enquiring about out of curiosity.   

Edited 18 November 2020 by The Blur

[Carl the Llama]

8 minutes ago, The Blur said:

 

Perhaps I have not worded that well-  I am not sure whether if surgeons has sufficent transferable skillset that means they can step in and be redeployed to work along medical personnel in A&E  or COVID wards as I assume they would normally specialise in one area of medience rather than to be all rounder-  that was what I was enquiring about out of curiousity.   

I could be wrong but I think they have to spend at least 5 years studying general medicine before they get the chance to specialise.

[Costock_Fox]

1 hour ago, The Blur said:

 

Out of the interest,  do anyone happen to know where staff get redeployed to?   I cannot imagine a heart surgeron for one being equipped to deal with A&E emergencies or to look after COVID patients unless if all operations are cancelled to curb the amount of personnel going in and out?

Got a job in cyber mate.

[z-layrex]

1 hour ago, The Blur said:

 

Out of the interest,  do anyone happen to know where staff get redeployed to?   I cannot imagine a heart surgeron for one being equipped to deal with A&E emergencies or to look after COVID patients unless if all operations are cancelled to curb the amount of personnel going in and out?

Lists get moved to "clean hospitals", often in the private sector. All patients have to isolate for a set time before their procedure. So for example in London, some hospitals are running their lists at private hospitals, so a cardiothoracic surgeon for example will work there. If you need emergency cardiothoracic surgery, hospitals like mine can take you, with designated units you can be nursed on after surgery until you are cleared for covid.

[FoxesDeb]

If anyone wants an insight into the NHS at present and how it's working I'd recommend the BBC programme 'Hospital'. The most recent episode was only filmed a month or so ago, just as the second wave was starting. So far it's two episodes in, and should be available on iPlayer.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

It’s a shame nurse’s, midwives etc weren’t rewarded with a pay rise when the government most recently decided to reward teachers and doctors for the work they are doing.

[yorkie1999]

3 hours ago, The Blur said:

 

Out of the interest,  do anyone happen to know where staff get redeployed to?   I cannot imagine a heart surgeron for one being equipped to deal with A&E emergencies or to look after COVID patients unless if all operations are cancelled to curb the amount of personnel going in and out?

I thought the whole idea behind the nightingale hospitals was to allow normal hospitals to be able to function as normal in the event of a second wave.

[Bryn]

21 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I thought the whole idea behind the nightingale hospitals was to allow normal hospitals to be able to function as normal in the event of a second wave.

 

Turns out it's quite easy to build a field hospital, not so easy to conjure up several thousand spare nurses, doctors and physios to man it, especially when most of the "extra" staff you're already crowing about don't really exist.

Edited 18 November 2020 by Bryn

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

It’s a shame nurse’s, midwives etc weren’t rewarded with a pay rise when the government most recently decided to reward teachers and doctors for the work they are doing.

Is it?  To be honest I would rather they actually spent the money on recruiting more staff than giving pay rises.  I expect most nurses would rather be working fully staffed than paid a few % more too.

[zorro en españa]

I look on at what is happening in the USA with increased incredulity.  It appears there is a total dichotomy whether you are or are not a Trump follower.  What I know is (bad) records are being created in at least one State every day.  I think there was a day last week when 40 States recorded in excess of a thousand positive cases.  If not, that looks like being achieved in the very near future.  What a sh1tshow - very sad.

 

As for Spain - quite honestly it is very hard to determine what is actually going on mainly because they keep frigging about with the measurement tools.  So, speaking of my own experience, it feels ok.  The Regional GovtS have nearly all decreed there will be no cross Regional travel.  In my Region we are confined to our municipalities and have an overnight curfew 23.00 to 06.00.  Bars/ restaurants have to close by 6pm - not last orders .. closed. Masks are compulsory and, other than people temporarily removing them, this rule is being adhered to.  Really, really tough for businesses though and the many individuals associated.  Mixed messages about how hospitals are coping - my impression is not a lot of other medical treatment is readily available (I might be wide of the mark here).

[StanSP]

6 hours ago, Super_horns said:

 

What do people want ?

A lockdown till Christmas then open up for 4 days then close down again?

 

No one can really win can they ..

 

What ever happens people aren’t going to be happy.

 

 

As I have stuff planned in December from months ago which has already been re-arranged twice, on a purely selfish perspective, I'd rather we're out of lockdown on 2nd Dec as planned, go back to a tiered system, still have some restrictions in place over Xmas/New Year but still allow family meetings up to a certain limit at that time.

 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

51 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Is it?  To be honest I would rather they actually spent the money on recruiting more staff than giving pay rises.  I expect most nurses would rather be working fully staffed than paid a few % more too.

Yes it is. 

[Steve_Walsh5]

Why is it mostly chav’s and council estate looking people who don’t wear masks in shops.

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

It’s a shame nurse’s, midwives etc weren’t rewarded with a pay rise when the government most recently decided to reward teachers and doctors for the work they are doing.

Ticks me off that. Those you mention as well as other "lower profile" NHS front liners, get side-lined when the Gov decide to reward the most "important" sectors. So many of us are not considered to be "frontline". What about the district nursing staff that visit and treat their patients every day, dressing wounds, sorting catheters, giving medication? What about the almost forgotten NHS support staff that work on the frontline? It's the higher profile groups that get the headlines and they make the gov look like they're doing good. That's why.

[Buce]

3 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Ticks me off that. Those you mention as well as other "lower profile" NHS front liners, get side-lined when the Gov decide to reward the most "important" sectors. So many of us are not considered to be "frontline". What about the district nursing staff that visit and treat their patients every day, dressing wounds, sorting catheters, giving medication? What about the almost forgotten NHS support staff that work on the frontline? It's the higher profile groups that get the headlines and they make the gov look like they're doing good. That's why.

 

And never mind the completely disregarded Care sector, most of whom get minimum wage.

[st albans fox]

17 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

Why is it mostly chav’s and council estate looking people who don’t wear masks in shops.

Cos it’s soft to wear a mask innit ......

[Bryn]

29 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Ticks me off that. Those you mention as well as other "lower profile" NHS front liners, get side-lined when the Gov decide to reward the most "important" sectors. So many of us are not considered to be "frontline". What about the district nursing staff that visit and treat their patients every day, dressing wounds, sorting catheters, giving medication? What about the almost forgotten NHS support staff that work on the frontline? It's the higher profile groups that get the headlines and they make the gov look like they're doing good. That's why.

Erm, the doctor payrise earlier this year A) Was independently recommended and was going to be implemented before the pandemic and B) Only applied to consultants and associate specialists. Shame on you for not knowing that and for contributing for unnecessary divisions amongst frontline staff.

[Parafox]

17 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

And never mind the completely disregarded Care sector, most of whom get minimum wage.

I tonally agree. Unfortunately they're working in the private sector. The gov don't give a fukc as they're not on their payroll and are considered insignificant. I've met hundreds of dedicated carers that give up their free time to go back to their clients out of working hours to make sure they're ok. They really are the forgotten heroes that no one sees being hard at work except their clients and the clients families. I absolutely admire what they do. Fixing meals, doing shopping, cleaning the accommodation, wiping shitty arses, changing incontinence pads, making cups of tea, being a friend when the client has nobody. Absolute gems of society.

[Parafox]

6 minutes ago, Bryn said:

Erm, the doctor payrise earlier this year A) Was independently recommended and was going to be implemented before the pandemic and B) Only applied to consultants and associate specialists. Shame on you for not knowing that and for contributing for unnecessary divisions amongst frontline staff.

Sorry Doctor. I accept that as being true however, when the Gov talk of "frontline services" what do you imagine the public conception of that is? The gov said they would "reward" all frontline staff that had worked during the pandemic. I haven't had a penny. It's bluff and bluster by the Gov. I have no doubt that you are underpaid for your skills and experience as are so many in the NHS. It does seem unfair that the recommended pay rise only be applied to those groups you mention and I admit, I wasn't particularly aware of that, why would I be as a humble ambulance worker?

IMO all NHS frontline staff are deserving of some kind of acknowledgement for the risks and challenges they've had to face. The gov release press statements about the pay rewards for NHS staff that are, at best, misleading and designed to show them being appreciative of what we have all done and have still to do when actually they will not make more that 0.5% difference to any of us. The gov perception of the "frontline" is that it's those in resus departments, ICU, HDU, acute wards emergency admission wards. It's not.

Edited 18 November 2020 by Parafox

[Bryn]

I don't disagree with you but sniping at other AHPs doesn't help.

[Guest Fktf]

1 minute ago, Bryn said:

I don't disagree with you but sniping at other AHPs doesn't help.

It makes a point. In life critical situations, many people wouldn't ever get to see a specialist without the interventions delivered by paramedics. Why reward one over the other, when they're all part of the same system.

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, Bryn said:

I don't disagree with you but sniping at other AHPs doesn't help.

OK but I don't agree I was sniping at other AHP's. There are so many lower profile staff in the NHS and in the private sector that deserve recognition.

[Benguin]

Urgh, burning up and the app has told me to self isolate. Really don’t want COVID😩